Stonesoffire: Genesis study
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I finished them SOF!
Thank you so much for posting them.
I still don't believe they didn't have a body, I just can't imagine all the things that body was capable of that it no longer is!
I rather think that when they lost that glory of God they were created with, that all that remained was the body, naked of that glory.
When He killed the first animal to clothe them, this speaks to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Once again, thank you sister.
Thank you so much for posting them.
I still don't believe they didn't have a body, I just can't imagine all the things that body was capable of that it no longer is!
I rather think that when they lost that glory of God they were created with, that all that remained was the body, naked of that glory.
When He killed the first animal to clothe them, this speaks to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Once again, thank you sister.
A
Luke 8 v. 46
And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
2 Peter 1
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
2 Peter 1
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
L
really, this is not a study on Genesis
this is actually a review of traditional Jewish beliefs...which, are not biblical and which the Jews are known for...enter kabbalah etc
Jesus spoke against the traditions of men when addressing the religious leaders of His time....yet, here we have a so called study that is not study but a review of some of those traditions
the Bible states that Adam and Eve were NAKED...they were not wearing luminary anything nor were they spirit beings nor did they loose their spirits as this op suggests
I have nothing against looking into Jewish or Rabbinical teachings, whether from curiosity or the desire to be better acquainted with Jewish traditional views of scripture...as long as one understands that these traditions often CONTRADICT scripture and that the men who developed these traditions WERE NOT BORN AGAIN. Therefore, they did not have the Holy Spirit to guide them as per the prophets of the OT, and yet we have two people here who are attempting to consolidate these traditions with the Bible
The marriage of these traditions and extra-biblical renderings produces an illegitimate child; one NOT APPROVED by God
what we have here, is an op that is over the heads of those who propose a study...neither the Bible nor the manuscripts that are copy/pasted, are understood for what they are and what their purpose is
the purpose of these Jewish writings is to UNDERVALUE the doctrine of scripture by ADDING to it and questioning why God would not reveal everything in the first place
if one is not familiar with the approach of the Jewish mystics or the fact that they are still waiting for what has already transpired, if one is ignorant of the NT warnings in scripture regarding a solid foundation in the word and the warnings of Jesus regarding deception and the desire of some to run from one place to the other, always searching and never coming to the conclusion offered by God Himself, one may well flounder in a sea of offerings and alternatives presented by men and inspired by teaching demons, such as are warned of in the NT
am I saying the author of the op is teaching with a demonic spirit? no I am not.. I AM saying that these texts are the offerings of men inspired by the doctrines of demons
and really, there is no plainer way to say it
rejection of the plain word of God and acceptance of any of these fantasies, is the road to deception and error
bury yourself in the New Testament...understand that the world would like to discuss God without His revelation of Himself as though mortals could in any way, shape or form, conclude in truth, what God Himself has revealed through His Son
this is actually a review of traditional Jewish beliefs...which, are not biblical and which the Jews are known for...enter kabbalah etc
Jesus spoke against the traditions of men when addressing the religious leaders of His time....yet, here we have a so called study that is not study but a review of some of those traditions
the Bible states that Adam and Eve were NAKED...they were not wearing luminary anything nor were they spirit beings nor did they loose their spirits as this op suggests
I have nothing against looking into Jewish or Rabbinical teachings, whether from curiosity or the desire to be better acquainted with Jewish traditional views of scripture...as long as one understands that these traditions often CONTRADICT scripture and that the men who developed these traditions WERE NOT BORN AGAIN. Therefore, they did not have the Holy Spirit to guide them as per the prophets of the OT, and yet we have two people here who are attempting to consolidate these traditions with the Bible
The marriage of these traditions and extra-biblical renderings produces an illegitimate child; one NOT APPROVED by God
what we have here, is an op that is over the heads of those who propose a study...neither the Bible nor the manuscripts that are copy/pasted, are understood for what they are and what their purpose is
the purpose of these Jewish writings is to UNDERVALUE the doctrine of scripture by ADDING to it and questioning why God would not reveal everything in the first place
if one is not familiar with the approach of the Jewish mystics or the fact that they are still waiting for what has already transpired, if one is ignorant of the NT warnings in scripture regarding a solid foundation in the word and the warnings of Jesus regarding deception and the desire of some to run from one place to the other, always searching and never coming to the conclusion offered by God Himself, one may well flounder in a sea of offerings and alternatives presented by men and inspired by teaching demons, such as are warned of in the NT
am I saying the author of the op is teaching with a demonic spirit? no I am not.. I AM saying that these texts are the offerings of men inspired by the doctrines of demons
and really, there is no plainer way to say it
rejection of the plain word of God and acceptance of any of these fantasies, is the road to deception and error
bury yourself in the New Testament...understand that the world would like to discuss God without His revelation of Himself as though mortals could in any way, shape or form, conclude in truth, what God Himself has revealed through His Son
I totally agree that the thread is confusing. I said I had no idea what everyone is talking about. I was trying to keep to the OP and stunned thoughts on darkness. Nobody was actually addressing what she said.
For stunned to understand why I might differ and come up with a different conclusion, I felt I needed to start at the beginning to see if I saw what she said about DARKNESS.
You can speak truth Lauren, but not in a sarcastic and rude manner. Or you can do your own study and show exactly why you are saying what you believe.
I wonder at times how how many really believe Jesus is coming back by our behavior.
I don't say anything here that I haven't seen elsewhere. Plus I've read a lot of Jewish teachings from different Rabbis but in particular, those of the Nazarene sect.
There are three ways that the scriptures are studied in Jewish thought. Literal, historical, and allegorical. What Jonteel, stunned, and I are seeking is the allegorical. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But, it's accepted in Jewish faith. What I seek to see is how Jesus is shown through the writings. Just the fact alone that God is pure, wholly Light, no darkness, all good, tells me that darkness would be hell. Any place where He is not, and where devils torment one is hell.
For stunned to understand why I might differ and come up with a different conclusion, I felt I needed to start at the beginning to see if I saw what she said about DARKNESS.
You can speak truth Lauren, but not in a sarcastic and rude manner. Or you can do your own study and show exactly why you are saying what you believe.
I wonder at times how how many really believe Jesus is coming back by our behavior.
I don't say anything here that I haven't seen elsewhere. Plus I've read a lot of Jewish teachings from different Rabbis but in particular, those of the Nazarene sect.
There are three ways that the scriptures are studied in Jewish thought. Literal, historical, and allegorical. What Jonteel, stunned, and I are seeking is the allegorical. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But, it's accepted in Jewish faith. What I seek to see is how Jesus is shown through the writings. Just the fact alone that God is pure, wholly Light, no darkness, all good, tells me that darkness would be hell. Any place where He is not, and where devils torment one is hell.
Stunned, I'm not going anywhere. But, to continue a study with you on this is foolish to try to do it here. If you want to do a private study, we could try email or pm's. For me, the matter of hell as presented by Jonteel is settled, so I don't really need to go further. But, I too, am wondering how you see things the way you do.
Its up to you.
Its up to you.
Yes, SOF, pm's would be fine!
I am assuming that you found the roots I failed to post because they were on the back of my paper: the root for darkness(2822) is 2821 - to be dark, in the sense of withholding light
And the root for 8415 - an abyss, was 1949 - to make an uproar or agitate greatly (sounds a bit like wailing and gnashing of teeth, huh?
I am assuming that you found the roots I failed to post because they were on the back of my paper: the root for darkness(2822) is 2821 - to be dark, in the sense of withholding light
And the root for 8415 - an abyss, was 1949 - to make an uproar or agitate greatly (sounds a bit like wailing and gnashing of teeth, huh?
I finished them SOF!
Thank you so much for posting them.
I still don't believe they didn't have a body, I just can't imagine all the things that body was capable of that it no longer is!
I rather think that when they lost that glory of God they were created with, that all that remained was the body, naked of that glory.
When He killed the first animal to clothe them, this speaks to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Once again, thank you sister.
Thank you so much for posting them.
I still don't believe they didn't have a body, I just can't imagine all the things that body was capable of that it no longer is!
I rather think that when they lost that glory of God they were created with, that all that remained was the body, naked of that glory.
When He killed the first animal to clothe them, this speaks to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Once again, thank you sister.
Who really knows for sure? We would have to see ourselves. But, I think they looked like men. Angels have appeared as men.
Yes, SOF, pm's would be fine!
I am assuming that you found the roots I failed to post because they were on the back of my paper: the root for darkness(2822) is 2821 - to be dark, in the sense of withholding light
And the root for 8415 - an abyss, was 1949 - to make an uproar or agitate greatly (sounds a bit like wailing and gnashing of teeth, huh?
I am assuming that you found the roots I failed to post because they were on the back of my paper: the root for darkness(2822) is 2821 - to be dark, in the sense of withholding light
And the root for 8415 - an abyss, was 1949 - to make an uproar or agitate greatly (sounds a bit like wailing and gnashing of teeth, huh?
Its the way its written. That is said in chapter 1, sort of like an outline of creation, then chapter 2 goes into the details. Why would He say be fruitful and multiply in the first chapter, then in the second say how He was formed?
The point of all the scriptures (as I see it) is the line of the Jesus. The Bible is the history of lost man and the Saviour to rescue Him. It's not written as a book that men would write...all in place. I personally believe He wrote it this way that we would be continually intrigued and seek to see truth. But...just my opinion.
The point of all the scriptures (as I see it) is the line of the Jesus. The Bible is the history of lost man and the Saviour to rescue Him. It's not written as a book that men would write...all in place. I personally believe He wrote it this way that we would be continually intrigued and seek to see truth. But...just my opinion.
L
stonesoffire;2953561]I totally agree that the thread is confusing. I said I had no idea what everyone is talking about. I was trying to keep to the OP and stunned thoughts on darkness. Nobody was actually addressing what she said.
hang on...I did address her op and I asked good questions...which were not directly answered and in fact, were evaded with half answers with the op suggesting she did not quite understand the questions...now seriously, I am plain spoken and not mysterious when I ask questions...go back and check...others also asked questions with the same result and a few were just ignored.
please also remember that the op said not many would agree with her right in her initial post and I also addressed that and asked why...she calls this a study but in the body of the thread, says she just wants to discuss...1) so discuss 2) answer questions properly and don't be evasive 3) source material should be properly linked to...otherwise, it's not a discussion and it never was a study IMO
For stunned to understand why I might differ and come up with a different conclusion, I felt I needed to start at the beginning to see if I saw what she said about DARKNESS.
You can speak truth Lauren, but not in a sarcastic and rude manner. Or you can do your own study and show exactly why you are saying what you believe.
I am not being rude, but do admit to a certain amount of sarcastic humor....but I am not mocking people...however the content and at times conclusions are uproarious if it were not for the fact that the actual word of God is being subjected to this drivel...now go ahead and call me rude for saying drivel...but that is your opinion...I call drivel when I see it
I am in a manner, studying right along by offering counter information...hello...this is a discussion forum and I am never a yes yes woman at the best of times...again, what is being presented is NOT biblical and is counter productive to anyone wishing to grow in the Lord or in search of truth...I have a good foundation...and I build on it...this op is nonsense and the so called wisdom is demonic...again, not calling the op demonic...but what is being presented is demonic
a proper study would contain enough material for people to add to knowledge or conclude what they believe...but again, this is not a proper study and NOT even based on the Bible to begin with!!
I wonder at times how how many really believe Jesus is coming back by our behavior.
it's not my behavior in question here because in reality, you don't know how I behave...this is a forum and while opinions may pass for fact in some circles? they do not form the basis of my faith nor do they make a suitable foundation for anyone IMO
I don't say anything here that I haven't seen elsewhere. Plus I've read a lot of Jewish teachings from different Rabbis but in particular, those of the Nazarene sect.
oh my lands...do you suppose I am ignorant of those things? why do you think I am so opposed? do I sound like I don't have a clue?
There are three ways that the scriptures are studied in Jewish thought. Literal, historical, and allegorical. What Jonteel, stunned, and I are seeking is the allegorical. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But, it's accepted in Jewish faith. What I seek to see is how Jesus is shown through the writings. Just the fact alone that God is pure, wholly Light, no darkness, all good, tells me that darkness would be hell. Any place where He is not, and where devils torment one is hell.
ha...go find out what the Essene's were waiting for and how they totally missed it all wrapped in the One called Jesus. It is believe they are the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls...and no...there is NO evidence that Jesus had any interaction with them and a small possibility that John may have had some but ONLY because he lived in the desert
read the Bible...does it say darkness is hell? gee whiz popular mechanics! no it does not
it's not a question of this being everyone's cup of tea...but it surely is a cup of poison if one goes into it with an eye to combining this teaching from ancient Jewish mystics and current Jewish teachers who try to marry the Bible with tradition while saying they are the real Christians since they are also Jews...you cannot be holding on to your Jewishness and trying to prove to non-believing Jews that you are also a Christian or a fulfilled Jew..it doesn't work
maybe you have seen some of the Sabbath Keepers etc on these forums? they want to keep the law...but only the parts they can...which, of course, is not keeping it at all since the law is one...same goes for this op...you cannot take these ancient scripts ... especially since no understanding of what they are exactly has been acknowledged, other than oh goody...some more mysterious goose bumpy things I can gain knowledge from and understand and have knowledge superior to others...that's gobble de gook....God is not in the business of handing out mysterious packages of esoteric wisdom...He has revealed what He wants us to know in His word and we are told not to add or subtract to it...Revelation...and while some hold that means only Revelation, it's just pretty good sense to make it a practice...period
so calling me rude is more an objection to what I present as a counter to the postulations of the op
hang on...I did address her op and I asked good questions...which were not directly answered and in fact, were evaded with half answers with the op suggesting she did not quite understand the questions...now seriously, I am plain spoken and not mysterious when I ask questions...go back and check...others also asked questions with the same result and a few were just ignored.
please also remember that the op said not many would agree with her right in her initial post and I also addressed that and asked why...she calls this a study but in the body of the thread, says she just wants to discuss...1) so discuss 2) answer questions properly and don't be evasive 3) source material should be properly linked to...otherwise, it's not a discussion and it never was a study IMO
For stunned to understand why I might differ and come up with a different conclusion, I felt I needed to start at the beginning to see if I saw what she said about DARKNESS.
You can speak truth Lauren, but not in a sarcastic and rude manner. Or you can do your own study and show exactly why you are saying what you believe.
I am not being rude, but do admit to a certain amount of sarcastic humor....but I am not mocking people...however the content and at times conclusions are uproarious if it were not for the fact that the actual word of God is being subjected to this drivel...now go ahead and call me rude for saying drivel...but that is your opinion...I call drivel when I see it
I am in a manner, studying right along by offering counter information...hello...this is a discussion forum and I am never a yes yes woman at the best of times...again, what is being presented is NOT biblical and is counter productive to anyone wishing to grow in the Lord or in search of truth...I have a good foundation...and I build on it...this op is nonsense and the so called wisdom is demonic...again, not calling the op demonic...but what is being presented is demonic
a proper study would contain enough material for people to add to knowledge or conclude what they believe...but again, this is not a proper study and NOT even based on the Bible to begin with!!
I wonder at times how how many really believe Jesus is coming back by our behavior.
it's not my behavior in question here because in reality, you don't know how I behave...this is a forum and while opinions may pass for fact in some circles? they do not form the basis of my faith nor do they make a suitable foundation for anyone IMO
I don't say anything here that I haven't seen elsewhere. Plus I've read a lot of Jewish teachings from different Rabbis but in particular, those of the Nazarene sect.
oh my lands...do you suppose I am ignorant of those things? why do you think I am so opposed? do I sound like I don't have a clue?
There are three ways that the scriptures are studied in Jewish thought. Literal, historical, and allegorical. What Jonteel, stunned, and I are seeking is the allegorical. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But, it's accepted in Jewish faith. What I seek to see is how Jesus is shown through the writings. Just the fact alone that God is pure, wholly Light, no darkness, all good, tells me that darkness would be hell. Any place where He is not, and where devils torment one is hell.
ha...go find out what the Essene's were waiting for and how they totally missed it all wrapped in the One called Jesus. It is believe they are the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls...and no...there is NO evidence that Jesus had any interaction with them and a small possibility that John may have had some but ONLY because he lived in the desert
read the Bible...does it say darkness is hell? gee whiz popular mechanics! no it does not
it's not a question of this being everyone's cup of tea...but it surely is a cup of poison if one goes into it with an eye to combining this teaching from ancient Jewish mystics and current Jewish teachers who try to marry the Bible with tradition while saying they are the real Christians since they are also Jews...you cannot be holding on to your Jewishness and trying to prove to non-believing Jews that you are also a Christian or a fulfilled Jew..it doesn't work
maybe you have seen some of the Sabbath Keepers etc on these forums? they want to keep the law...but only the parts they can...which, of course, is not keeping it at all since the law is one...same goes for this op...you cannot take these ancient scripts ... especially since no understanding of what they are exactly has been acknowledged, other than oh goody...some more mysterious goose bumpy things I can gain knowledge from and understand and have knowledge superior to others...that's gobble de gook....God is not in the business of handing out mysterious packages of esoteric wisdom...He has revealed what He wants us to know in His word and we are told not to add or subtract to it...Revelation...and while some hold that means only Revelation, it's just pretty good sense to make it a practice...period
so calling me rude is more an objection to what I present as a counter to the postulations of the op
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