Stonesoffire: Genesis study
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The Truth resides within us, but we turn away from it due to the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life. There is a Scripture that speaks to this, how non believers are without excuse, because they knew but rejected the Truth of God. Starting at Romans chapter one, verse 19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest
in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like
to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
Etc etc
We are born with this natural inclination to turn away from God, being born in the flesh after Adam into a fallen world, in need of a Spiritual rebirth through the Holy Spirit of God, by grace, through faith, which is itself a gift from God, in the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, out of His great love for us, as payment for our sins, and through His (Christ's) resurrected life, we attain to life ever after. I do keep trying to streamline my responses into a digestible sound byte that still contain a full message of the gospel and God's love for us, so thank you for helping me work toward that end
There is much I find in you to admire, not the least of which is your long suffering attitude towards others: instead of instantly assuming the worst and blaming the other person for your misunderstandings, which I see others doing here (generally speaking) on a dismayingly regular basis, you take the time to tease a fuller understanding of that which they wish to convey. So kudos to you!
Because that which may be known of God is manifest
in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like
to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
Etc etc
We are born with this natural inclination to turn away from God, being born in the flesh after Adam into a fallen world, in need of a Spiritual rebirth through the Holy Spirit of God, by grace, through faith, which is itself a gift from God, in the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, out of His great love for us, as payment for our sins, and through His (Christ's) resurrected life, we attain to life ever after. I do keep trying to streamline my responses into a digestible sound byte that still contain a full message of the gospel and God's love for us, so thank you for helping me work toward that end There is much I find in you to admire, not the least of which is your long suffering attitude towards others: instead of instantly assuming the worst and blaming the other person for your misunderstandings, which I see others doing here (generally speaking) on a dismayingly regular basis, you take the time to tease a fuller understanding of that which they wish to convey. So kudos to you!
This does make sense to me because the way I was viewing it would mean that we are paying for the sins of our father, but God told Israel to stop saying that the parents had eaten sour grapes and so the childrens teeth were set on edge, because from now on each man would die only for his own sins and the child would not be responsible for the sins of the father nor the father responsible for the sins of the child, but that each child would be held responsible only for his own sins.
Yes, but you disagreed nicely and in a kind spirit and gave scripture for why you believe this, and here have given another very good scripture to support your belief. He just berates and beats and does not try to teach why he believes what he believes with scripture, which does not help me. Or anyone else for that matter.
Thank you ariel (and magenta!)
He just berates and beats and does not try to teach why he believes what he believes with scripture, which does not help me. Or anyone else for that matter.Thank you ariel (and magenta!)
Here will be another thing that will probably start some caterwauling, but we'll just ignore it. I have wondered, (because you know I think this was an awful place, by my word study) if the seams of the tectonic plates were caused by this casting of satan from Gods' Presence...I've even mused that the ring of fire might be where he landed!
I have wondered, (because you know I think this was an awful place, by my word study) if the seams of the tectonic plates were caused by this casting of satan from Gods' Presence...I've even mused that the ring of fire might be where he landed!
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I do. I listen to a lot of people and most know more than I do.
However, why would sugggesting you read the Bible WITHOUT preconceived ideas and praying, be a cause for outrage?
If you like I can leave you and stunned to your study.
I only responded because Stunned asked me a question earlier and it would be rude to ignore her.
However, why would sugggesting you read the Bible WITHOUT preconceived ideas and praying, be a cause for outrage?
If you like I can leave you and stunned to your study.
I only responded because Stunned asked me a question earlier and it would be rude to ignore her.
From what I gathered between you and magenta and the verses you both gave, and my looking into the word spirit, at this point they have sinned. But if they are born with the Holy Spirit, but then turn because of the flesh nature inherited and so need to be reborn of the Spirit, you can teach them customs and manners but that nature will still rule until they are born again with the Holy Spirit and learn to walk in that Spirit.
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1 Corinthians 15
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.