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"Yes, I am James Brown from the local newspaper. I was told you hold to the King James Version Only stance, and that that's the only word of God in existence. Is this correct?"



"Great! Now, can you please tell me why what led you to believe why the KJV is the only word of God?"

"Sure! There are some articles I read that were written by Gail Riplinger...."


 
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Another log to add to my burn pile. You can not have a rational discussion with a KJVO'er. Sad. Really sad. :(
It's interesting; He says he's not a KJVO'er yet has many Riplingerisms, Gippisms and Ruckmanisms. But then he's not "keen" on the KJV. LOL!!!! :D
 

trofimus

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We need to be clear about something. When we say that the Traditional Texts represent the majority of existing manuscripts, that does not automatically mean that an actual MAJORITY TEXT has already been created. "Byzantine Text" and "Received Text" can be used interchangeably, but the so-called Majority Text of Hodges and Farstad is NOT a true Majority Text, since neither they (nor anyone else) has actually collated all of the existing manuscripts as yet. That was already sabotaged by the Westcott-Hort theory in that they claimed that they had the "purest" Greek text in their hands. Which is totally false.

Although such men as Tischendorf, Tregelles, and Alford had done much to undermine the position of the TR (Textus Receptus), Westcott and Hort are generally credited with having furnished the deathblow, beginning a new era. Many scholars have written to this effect, but Colwell expresses it as well as anyone.

"The dead hand of Fenton John Anthony Hort lies heavy upon us. In the early years of this century Kirsopp Lake described Hort's work as a failure, though a glorious one. But Hort did not fail to reach his major goal. He dethroned the Textus Receptus. After Hort, the late medieval Greek Vulgate was not used by serious students, and the text supported by earlier witnesses became the standard text. This was a sensational achievement, an impressive success. Hort's success in this task and the cogency of his tightly reasoned theory shaped—and still shapes—the thinking of those who approach the textual criticism of the NT through the English language."

And that explains the nature and extent of the common divergence of the modern versions from the AV (King James Version)—they are all based essentially on the W-H theory and text whereas the AV is essentially based on the Textus Receptus.

Chapter 3

However, for all practical purposes the Masoretic Hebrew and the Received Greek texts are representative of the texts of the Bible. And those texts are to be found in the Reformation Bibles (including the KJB).
1. I do not follow your reasoning. You claim that we do not have any majority text compiled, but you also claim that the KJV is its (good) representative. I am not sure how did you check it.

2. I have never get in touch with Hodges and Farstad's edition, I know only of Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine text and Greek orthodox church text.

3. I have no idea how you get to the conclusion that the Masoretic and Textus receptus represnt the text of the Bible best of all.
 
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low key i still think kjv is the best translation u see......... its very popular amongst the downtrodden here
 

Locutus

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[video=youtube;5413ws7HxN8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5413ws7HxN8[/video]
 

Dai3234

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"Yes, I am James Brown from the local newspaper. I was told you hold to the King James Version Only stance, and that that's the only word of God in existence. Is this correct?"



"Great! Now, can you please tell me why what led you to believe why the KJV is the only word of God?"

"Sure! There are some articles I read that were written by Gail Riplinger...."


Not a very Christian attitude to keep making jokes of people because you don't agree.

Also, people base information on more than just Gail Riplinger. Like history. Not just wanted some new James White video tells someone, or a new opinion of a profiteering group (zondervan/catholics/UBS).

It's about what seems right to each individual. Currently, nothing has recently changed my mind in following the KJV, just re-affirmed it.
 
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Not a very Christian attitude to keep making jokes of people because you don't agree.

Also, people base information on more than just Gail Riplinger. Like history. Not just wanted some new James White video tells someone, or a new opinion of a profiteering group (zondervan/catholics/UBS).

It's about what seems right to each individual. Currently, nothing has recently changed my mind in following the KJV, just re-affirmed it.
Well each to their own,if we didn't accept Jesus we wouldn't have much to even laugh about or be happy at all.
 

Dai3234

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I am still waiting for those verses in the ESV NIV or whatever bible version that say Jesus is a liar. Are we going to get to that? Or do we have more wild accusations with no evidence to make?

I am starting to suspect that the verse is not there. Or maybe it was, and the catholics used the mandela effect to change our Bibles so now it looks like it is not there anymore.
It's listed in the video mentioned. The place where Jesus says he's not going to the temple YET, and then goes to the temple/synogogue, making him a liar. As far as I know the video's mentioned I think 2011 NIV, Which I think has changed again.

Just look at the version online, research. You might see my problems with new versions then.