Suicide instant hell?

[pottersclay]

No.....Samson asked for his strenght back to commit suicide and avenge himself on the Philistine lords.....God allowed it and would not have if it led to hell!

I don't think samsons death can be classified as suicide. Coming to the truth of why God blessed him with his strength his decision to serve God out weighed the peril that awaited him.
He was blind but now he saw in other words.
Much like Christ life.

 

[Rockrz]

God allowed it and would not have if it led to hell

God is allowing billions of people to live in sin... and it will lead them to hell.

Just because God "allows" something to happen does not mean it's His will for it to happen.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

No.....Samson asked for his strenght back to commit suicide and avenge himself on the Philistine lords.....God allowed it and would not have if it led to hell!

agreed completely

thats the point i had try to make

 

[dcontroversal]

I don't think samsons death can be classified as suicide. Coming to the truth of why God blessed him with his strength his decision to serve God out weighed the peril that awaited him.
He was blind but now he saw in other words.
Much like Christ life.

Did he commit sucide by pulling the pillars down upon himself....yes or no?

Did he kill 7000 Philistine lords in the process to avenge himself yes or no?

 

[dcontroversal]

God is allowing billions of people to live in sin... and it will lead them to hell.

Just because God "allows" something to happen does not mean it's His will for it to happen.

God does not grant specific requests like Samson made if it contradicts his holiness....the fact that you responded the way you did speaks volumes to your lack of understanding concerning the point made!

 

[Blain]

Did he commit sucide by pulling the pillars down upon himself....yes or no?

Did he kill 7000 philistine Lords in the process to avenge himself yes of no?

I like pottersclay's way of seeing it that is actually a very good way of looking at it however yes Samson did commit suicide and honestly when I made the thread I never even thought about him.

Talk about blond lol

 

[Gabriel2020]

He also commited mass murder too.

 

[pottersclay]

Did he commit sucide by pulling the pillars down upon himself....yes or no?

Did he kill 7000 Philistine lords in the process to avenge himself yes or no?

So in your way of thinking God allowed this to happen despite what the word says.

Vengeance is mine I will repay says the Lord.
Try this on for size d. I will honor my word above my name says the Lord.
Keeping with the attributes of God does define scripture to its understanding.

You've become very judgemental in your post, others my have a bit more to say on th he matter.
Both of these scriptures apply to the event. If not you can call God a liar.

 

[blue_ladybug]

God allows stuff to happen, to teach us a lesson. What Samson did was the consequences of his actions.. Just saying..

So in your way of thinking God allowed this to happen despite what the word says.

Vengeance is mine I will repay says the Lord.
Try this on for size d. I will honor my word above my name says the Lord.
Keeping with the attributes of God does define scripture to its understanding.

You've become very judgemental in your post, others my have a bit more to say on th he matter.
Both of these scriptures apply to the event. If not you can call God a liar.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

So in your way of thinking God allowed this to happen despite what the word says.

Vengeance is mine I will repay says the Lord.
Try this on for size d. I will honor my word above my name says the Lord.
Keeping with the attributes of God does define scripture to its understanding.

You've become very judgemental in your post, others my have a bit more to say on th he matter.
Both of these scriptures apply to the event. If not you can call God a liar.

in the ot didnt he lead gideans army?
didnt he have david kill goliath

i may be wrong here
but i thought God wanted samsom to break the pillars knowing what would happen

which was why he gave him the strength again

 

[gotime]

So I have confused about suicide. Now I was told that if you commit suicide you instantly go to hell which i know is a Catholic doctrine but I also have talked with many Christians who believe the same. Now according to a lot of Catholics if you even try to kill yourself your only destination is hell, and my friend when I asked her about suicide and hell she said yes if you kill yourself you go to hell because you cannot ask for forgiveness when your dead( she believes if you don't repent for every sin you make you can lose your salvation) But even though i wanted to explain to her that isn't how grace works i couldn't because sadly she cannot be talked to like that she gets very emotional and frustrated and has a heart problem.

Here is the thing though, I have never found in scripture that suicide is instant condemnation. I do wonder how things would have turned out for me when i tried to kill myself, i was just saved but things at my house were so deeply depressing and I was so alone that I couldn't deal with it anymore and even though I was afraid I would go to hell in my tears I begged for God to forgive me and attempted ti kill myself of course luckily I failed.

But many people commit suicide because of deep pain and sadness loneliness and heart ache, if one was saved but killed themselves because of the heaviness of all this would god since he knows more than anyone how deeply pain and sadness can cut you have mercy on them or would he send them to fires?

As far as I am concerned its Gods problem. But to those who say they go to hell need to understand that most suicides are done during deep depression which is a mental state where one does not think rightly. To say they go to hell one would have to lump any person with mental disability into the same category and that sounds wrong to me. The majority of those who fail at a proper attempt at suicide often report that they wished they had not tried immediately after they lept form a bridge or turned the wheel of the car etc. So they were clearly not in their right mind and I suspect this is the work of the Devil who deludes them till its two late and then lets them see.

Dunno but I am not convinced that suicide is a direct key to hell, far from it. However that is for my Loving caring and merciful God to decide. Good thing God is on our side.

 

[hornetguy]

In answer to the OP..... Hell....? No.

 

[Rockrz]

He also commited mass murder too.

When wiping out evil people hell bent on the destruction of God's people... that in and of itself is not murder.

If it were, then God Himself is a murder cause in other situations He has wiped out a lot of folks just to protect His people which is a righteous thing for Him to do as He swore to bless and protect His people... which is applicable to Christians who know their rights as seed of Abraham

Galatians 3:29
if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

but i thought God wanted samsom to break the pillars knowing what would happen

which was why he gave him the strength again

Good point... God did in fact give Samson his strength back.

Yes, God does frequently work thru people to do His will.

which is a mental state where one does not think rightly

And, WHO is responsible for that person being in that condition?

God's Word says man is without excuse and we reap what we sow... so ultimately each person gets in trouble as they reject the Lord or choose to believe He exists (giving lip service, claiming to be a believer) but chooses to not walk with God and walks after the flesh instead which is how they reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

The majority of those who fail at a proper attempt at suicide often report that they wished they had not tried immediately after they lept form a bridge or turned the wheel of the car etc. So they were clearly not in their right mind and I suspect this is the work of the Devil

And, Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils" (Mark 16:17-18)

Not sure about everyone else, but I'm going to cast the devil out along with every high thing that exalts itself against he knowledge of God:

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

This is Christianity 101... listen to God, don't listen to the devil.

I am not convinced that suicide is a direct key to hell, far from it. However that is for my Loving caring and merciful God to decide

It's impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18), so why is it a problem to simply believe what God says???

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him

Are we treating God's Word like a buffet line... picking and choosing what we want to believe and deciding to not believe some things God says???

That's why many Christians have so many problems and are not living as overcommers... they don't believe what God says is true.

In answer to the OP..... Hell....? No.

Excellent example of choosing to NOT believe what God says... and opposing what God said due to being emotional over not wanting to think someone would go to hell after whacking themselves due to being depressed.

I don't enjoy that thought either, but I'm certainly not going to accuse God of lying in His Word just cause I don't like the idea of someone going to hell... this is how people start believing in universalism too.

 

[Breanna]

There are two problems in your post I'd like to address. Two concepts that cannot be factual or rather, true when confronted with the reality of Christ's atonement. First, and foremost, the idea that God decides to have mercy on someone, outside of Christ, so that they may be saved. This idea is an attempt to pretend that God in His sound mercy and judgement decides, "You know what? It was understandable given the situation so I'll save them." What does God's word say? None come to the Father except by whom? Jesus Christ.

The Gospel is plain, it is simple. Jesus is the savior. God doesn't save men outside of Christ, He saves them through faith. He doesn't save people at His whim, or in His present mercy (as if one day He is like "nope", but on another day He is like "sure.") He doesn't look at the alcoholic and say, "You know what? He had a rough childhood and now he is drinking away his sorrows. I'll excuse it." No, He looks at the sinner and says, "I love you. See what my Son has done on your behalf? I am yours and you are mine, if you believe in My Son who died on the cross for your sins and was raised on the third day for your justification you shall be saved." There is no whim or mercy that God extends in the realm of salvation outside of Christ.

As for suicide leading to Hell, here is a simple proposition. Is suicide a sin? If your answer is yes, then I ask you, did Christ's sacrifice pay for all sin? Did Jesus not pay for the sins of the world? Did Christ not shed His blood for the remission of sin (all of it)? So then what sin of this world can condemn a believer in Jesus Christ who has made our sins of scarlet as white as snow? If suicide leads believers to Hell, did Christ really pay the penalty for all sin?

Well , i'm confused because my thought is this . If one commits suicide the first person you meet is God him self . So then i would think he would ask why did you take away life when i gave it to you . Why did you not trust or believe on me . Only i give or take away life . So i have been told that no you can't lose your salvation , but at the same time in the ten commandments " Thou shalt not kill .​So i think yes you can go to hell .

 

[Breanna]

I don't think samsons death can be classified as suicide. Coming to the truth of why God blessed him with his strength his decision to serve God out weighed the peril that awaited him.
He was blind but now he saw in other words.
Much like Christ life.

HA , HA ON THURSDAY the 15th Listening to the bible answer man ( HANK Hanegraaff ) some one phoned in and asked that qestion , ( was samsons death suicide ? HANKS answer was ( NO ) his death was a Sacrifice and not suicide .

 

[wwjd_kilden]

it is interesting how many Christians thinks they will go to hell.

They? Yes they... because if suicide equals hell, that means ALL unrepeated sin equals hell.
Dunno about you all, but I rarely realize I sin while I am busy doing it..... so what if you sin and die before you realize?
Instant hell? Makes no sense whatsoever!

 

[CherieR]

I am not really sure on if a person goes to hell or not because of suicide. 1 John 3:15 says that a murderer does not have place in the kingdom of God; however, he was talking about a person who hates his brother is a murderer. I am not sure whether or not people who commit suicide would be included in those who don't inherit the kingdom of God. I wouldn't test God on this or do the act due to depression as that would be extremely risky.

 

[pottersclay]

HA , HA ON THURSDAY the 15th Listening to the bible answer man ( HANK Hanegraaff ) some one phoned in and asked that qestion , ( was samsons death suicide ? HANKS answer was ( NO ) his death was a Sacrifice and not suicide .

Thank you for that witness, that's the way I was shown.

 

[Rockrz]

To much of a grey area to give a scriptural definite

Only for those that don't know where God gives a definite answer for this...

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

I really really wish I knew the answer to this question
My brother and my dad both shot themselves at different times in there life
20 years apart