Tattoos, sin or not sin?

[kennethcadwell]

Why, you don't think this applies?

Lev 18:23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.

After all, it is not repeated in the N.T. Does that somehow make it acceptable?

That is what you all do who want to continue to go by the Mosaic laws, by using sick and disgusting things that were listed in the law as your excuse to follow it.
We are guided by the Holy Spirit who writes God's moral laws in our heart, we do not follow a written ordinance of the law.
Paul rebuked the Galatians for doing just that, to continue to try and keep and be justified by the Mosaic law. He called them bewitched and said they have fallen from grace for doing that.

You do know that if want to go by all the Mosaic laws the bible says you are subject to it all, meaning you are still held to its punishments, sacrifices, cleansing rituals, and so on......
The bible says you can not pick and choose what parts of the Mosaic law to keep and follow, and what parts not to because if want to follow some of it you are subject to it all.

 

[john832]

That is what you all do who want to continue to go by the Mosaic laws, by using sick and disgusting things that were listed in the law as your excuse to follow it.
We are guided by the Holy Spirit who writes God's moral laws in our heart, we do not follow a written ordinance of the law.
Paul rebuked the Galatians for doing just that, to continue to try and keep and be justified by the Mosaic law. He called them bewitched and said they have fallen from grace for doing that.

You do know that if want to go by all the Mosaic laws the bible says you are subject to it all, meaning you are still held to its punishments, sacrifices, cleansing rituals, and so on......
The bible says you can not pick and choose what parts of the Mosaic law to keep and follow, and what parts not to because if want to follow some of it you are subject to it all.

Hmmm, Mosaic Law?

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

I have noticed that one mechanism to try to discredit God's Law is to reduce it to that of a man.

 

[oldthennew]

it is very clear, Jer.31:31.... -
that our Father specifically writes His Law, His Torah, upon our hearts.

it's not subjective, it is specific, may we all come into subjection to Him,
above what we think or perceive what is right in our own hearts.

this TEST is paramount to a Christian's peace of mind,
as it is written in the OT and the NT,
'Fear God and Keep His Commandments......

 

[kennethcadwell]

Hmmm, Mosaic Law?

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

I have noticed that one mechanism to try to discredit God's Law is to reduce it to that of a man.

The Mosaic covenant was written for the house of Israel, and within that covenant is the Mosaic laws.
If you actual do and in depth study you would know this, and then look how it applies under the new covenant that we are under. The written ordinances of the Mosaic laws were blotted out as I showed you in Colossians.

[h=1]2 Corinthians 3:6-11[/h]6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;[a] for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
[h=3]Glory of the New Covenant[/h]7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

We are lead by the Holy Spirit to walk in God's moral laws the is written in our hearts, and not a set of written ordinances of the Mosaic laws.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


We are not any longer under the law as our tutor because we have the Holy Spirit's guidance in what is right and wrong to do. We let Him help and guide us to walk in a manner proper to God. The written ordinances of the Mosaic laws was contrary to us, because the ordinances in it could not forgive us of our sins nor could it keep us from sinning. Therefore Christ came to do what the law could not do, as the law was are guide to show us our sinful ways to lead us to a need for a savior. Now that Christ has come we no longer need that tutor as His Holy Spirit now guides us, and not a written letter of laws/ordinances.

 

[kennethcadwell]

it is very clear, Jer.31:31.... -
that our Father specifically writes His Law, His Torah, upon our hearts.

it's not subjective, it is specific, may we all come into subjection to Him,
above what we think or perceive what is right in our own hearts.

this TEST is paramount to a Christian's peace of mind,
as it is written in the OT and the NT,
'Fear God and Keep His Commandments......

Yes He writes His moral laws on our heart, and the Holy Spirit guides and helps us to follow those moral laws.
The laws that is written on our heart is not the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws that the bible clearly says was blotted out. Then in James it says if you keep part of the law you are guilty if you don't keep all of it.

So do you still stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, committing adultery? Put kids to death for being disobedient? And do all the cleansing rituals of the Mosaic laws? If not why, because the bible says if you want to obey and keep all of the law, you are charged to keep it all?

 

[john832]

Yes He writes His moral laws on our heart, and the Holy Spirit guides and helps us to follow those moral laws.
The laws that is written on our heart is not the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws that the bible clearly says was blotted out. Then in James it says if you keep part of the law you are guilty if you don't keep all of it.

So do you still stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, committing adultery? Put kids to death for being disobedient? And do all the cleansing rituals of the Mosaic laws? If not why, because the bible says if you want to obey and keep all of the law, you are charged to keep it all?

You don't know what Jer 31:31-34 speaks of? The word for Law in verse 33 is torah. Look it up for yourself.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You don't know what Jer 31:31-34 speaks of? The word for Law in verse 33 is torah. Look it up for yourself.

Yes I do understand as you must see that in verse 32 it says not according to the covenant that He made with their fathers that they broke. It will be a new everlasting covenant that He will make with Israel when the Jews back to Him in the tribulation period. The tribulation has not happened yet, nor have all the Jews accepted Him. Only a few small hand full of them have, most still do not consider Him their Messiah.

We gentile believers are already part of the new covenant through our faith/belief in Him if we continue to walk in His grace, else wise we to will be cut off if we turn our backs on Him. As some have, and will do.
Once again though their is a difference between the written ordinances of the Mosaic law and that of God's moral laws that is written in our heart that the Holy Spirit guides us in. The 10 Commandments contain His moral laws within them, the mosaic laws do not as He our Lord and Savior did away with those ordinances of animal sacrifice, punishments for sin in the law, cleansing rituals, and food practices making all things clean through prayer and only not to be eaten if offered to an idol.
Once again if you want to keep the mosaic laws, the bible is subject to all of it including its ordinances.
So once again if you are so adamant about keeping the mosaic laws, why do you not keep the ordinances ???

 

[john832]

Yes I do understand as you must see that in verse 32 it says not according to the covenant that He made with their fathers that they broke. It will be a new everlasting covenant that He will make with Israel when the Jews back to Him in the tribulation period. The tribulation has not happened yet, nor have all the Jews accepted Him. Only a few small hand full of them have, most still do not consider Him their Messiah.

We gentile believers are already part of the new covenant through our faith/belief in Him if we continue to walk in His grace, else wise we to will be cut off if we turn our backs on Him. As some have, and will do.
Once again though their is a difference between the written ordinances of the Mosaic law and that of God's moral laws that is written in our heart that the Holy Spirit guides us in. The 10 Commandments contain His moral laws within them, the mosaic laws do not as He our Lord and Savior did away with those ordinances of animal sacrifice, punishments for sin in the law, cleansing rituals, and food practices making all things clean through prayer and only not to be eaten if offered to an idol.
Once again if you want to keep the mosaic laws, the bible is subject to all of it including its ordinances.
So once again if you are so adamant about keeping the mosaic laws, why do you not keep the ordinances ???

What is different here is the Covenant, not the Law.

There are Laws that cannot be kept today, they require a functioning Aaronic Priesthood. Other than that, why do you suppose I don't keep those Laws?

 

[kennethcadwell]

What is different here is the Covenant, not the Law.

The way the law is applied and what applies has changed from the old covenants to the new covenants.
If you actually sit down and read all through the NT you will what has been changed, what has been done away with, and how other parts now apply. God does not change, but His covenants for us do change.

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Romans 8:3
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Once again I will ask you, if you want to follow the mosaic laws why are you not putting people to death for their sins, sacrificing animals for those sins, doing the cleansing rituals, and so on ???
If you want to follow them, the bible says you are to obey all of it........[/FONT]

 

[justin777]

The bible says you can not pick and choose what parts of the Mosaic law to keep and follow, and what parts not to because if want to follow some of it you are subject to it all.

What verse?

 

[tourist]

Depending on the type of tattoo and the location it may be foolish but it certainly is not sinful.

 

[newbie8]

Depending on the type of tattoo and the location it may be foolish but it certainly is not sinful.

Please tell me what scripture is this? Do you understand what sin is?

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now, let's go back to what the scriptures say about making marks on the flesh:

Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Now, tourist, after reviewing both of these scriptures, are you saying that getting a tattoo is not sinful? Remember, when transgressing the law, you are committing sin.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[tourist]

Please tell me what scripture is this? Do you understand what sin is?

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now, let's go back to what the scriptures say about making marks on the flesh:

Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Now, tourist, after reviewing both of these scriptures, are you saying that getting a tattoo is not sinful? Remember, when transgressing the law, you are committing sin.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Somewhere in the bible it says to not to eat food sacrificed to idols too. A mature Christian will realizes that there is only one God so therefore may freely eat such food without sin despite the food being sacrificed to an idol. Based on the verse you provided it may indeed be considered sinful to a believer who is weak in faith and immature in the spiritual things of God.

Personally, I do not have a tattoo - not because I feel that it is sinful because I do not - but because I never felt the urge to do such a thing. At the stage of my spiritual relationship with the Lord I know that all things are lawful but all things may not be profitable.

 

[newbie8]

Somewhere in the bible it says to not to eat food sacrificed to idols too. A mature Christian will realizes that there is only one God so therefore may freely eat such food without sin despite the food being sacrificed to an idol. Based on the verse you provided it may indeed be considered sinful to a believer who is weak in faith and immature in the spiritual things of God.

Personally, I do not have a tattoo - not because I feel that it is sinful because I do not - but because I never felt the urge to do such a thing.

No worries, thank you tourist. Most High bless you.

 

[phil112]

Depending on the type of tattoo and the location it may be foolish but it certainly is not sinful.

How do you figure? Read Romans 8th chapter.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit..............So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God..........

and then in Galatians 5....

.This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Seriously? Can you think of anything that is more walking in the flesh than printing on it and cutting on it?
Maybe you should read Strong's definition of flesh as it is used here in Romans. C'mon folks, become adults and put away childish things. Grow to perfection, maturity, in the word. Stop justifying sin.

 

[Kerry]

You are Gods masterpiece. Would you add to a rembrandt? Or would you put your mark on a Picasso?

 

[newbie8]

How do you figure? Read Romans 8th chapter.
and then in Galatians 5....
Seriously? Can you think of anything that is more walking in the flesh than printing on it and cutting on it?
Maybe you should read Strong's definition of flesh as it is used here in Romans. C'mon folks, become adults and put away childish things. Grow to perfection, maturity, in the word. Stop justifying sin.

Most High Bless you. This is exactly what I wanted to point out.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

 

[kennethcadwell]

What verse?

Read the book of James as he will straighten it all out for you.
He says if you follow the mosaic laws you are subject to it all, and if stumble in one point you are guilty of all of it.

 

[The_highwayman]

Well, you have your opinion and then there is the scripture...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 7.6:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.