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Really?? TD Jakes does that? That's astoundingly offensive, although, sadly, I don't doubt it.
I've had dealings with people that were needing financial help that were "faithful members" of that church. They all said that they were refused financial help, but were told they would be "prayed for". We helped them as much as we could...
I've had dealings with people that were needing financial help that were "faithful members" of that church. They all said that they were refused financial help, but were told they would be "prayed for". We helped them as much as we could...
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No no no no no no, LOL I got ya here LOL, it isn't on fire yet yet LOL love this, but it will be ;
Joel 2
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
And non of this will have anything to do with TV evangelists, God loves the feet of those who spread the gospel, not the finger of those who turn on the TV LOL.
I love God He has a wonderful sense of humour Ha ha ha ha.
Joel 2
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
And non of this will have anything to do with TV evangelists, God loves the feet of those who spread the gospel, not the finger of those who turn on the TV LOL.
I love God He has a wonderful sense of humour Ha ha ha ha.
Nobody is beating you up, because you have limited it to the obviously false, money-grubbing televangelist types. I think most believers see them for the heretics that they are.
It's just when you lump ALL ministers in the same category that folks get riled at you.... throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak...
There are many, many good, Bible teaching paid ministers out there, that are NOT trying to get money from the flock.
The bad ones definitely leave a foul taste in the mouth of all Christians....
It's just when you lump ALL ministers in the same category that folks get riled at you.... throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak...
There are many, many good, Bible teaching paid ministers out there, that are NOT trying to get money from the flock.
The bad ones definitely leave a foul taste in the mouth of all Christians....
He's welcome to visit my church, and we wont charge him anything. You are also welcome to attend for the same fee. Neither of you are invited to speak to our congregation though, but if you come on Wednesday night, we'll serve you dinner along with the same excellent Bible study, praise and worship that we have on Sunday.
sometimes it takes a while for those who have been brain-washed from childhood for most of their lives, to
believe what Jesus is revealing to their hearts and what He is requiring of them, asking them to respond
as adults to the blatant-proof that the world that they live in is teaching/showing them every single day
of their lives!!!
If you can only see the glaze and not the cake which was baked in the dark -
it is stark to those who comprehend the other-side' of the tapestry of confusion,
for the illusion will eventually become plain to see.'
believe what Jesus is revealing to their hearts and what He is requiring of them, asking them to respond
as adults to the blatant-proof that the world that they live in is teaching/showing them every single day
of their lives!!!
If you can only see the glaze and not the cake which was baked in the dark -
it is stark to those who comprehend the other-side' of the tapestry of confusion,
for the illusion will eventually become plain to see.'
if everyone should mention them all we all getting back to creation in the beggining
as it is written
:read:
Isaias: 66. 8. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
... . WE WANT TO GIVE THE FAVOR BACK FOR THIS VERSES
UNTO ONE OF OUR BELOVED BRETHREN BROTHER SISTERS
IN THEIR HOUSE AND HOME
FOR IN THE HOUSE IS WE ARE ALL GATHERED AND
THE HOME IS WHAT CALL BLESSINGS IN DISGUISED
BECAUSE EVERYONE COULD LIVE IN SUCH A HOUSE
BUT NOT EVERYONE COULD FIND THERE WAY HOME
~;> WE MENTIONED THIS MAN
WHO WILL WE NEVER HIS NAME BUT HE IS KNOWN FOR HIS
GREAT TEACHINGS IN THE BIBLE
AND ALSO HE HAS A TV PROGRAM
ABOUT EXPOSING WHAT IS THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES
THOUGH THEY NEVER KNEW US BUT WE ARE ALWAYS THERE
. ... AND ABOUT THE FAVOR
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 1. 9.
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
:hrmm: IMAGINE THERE IS NO STAR WITHIN THAT PERIOD
OF EXISTENCE BUT EVERY FRUIT TREE GRASS HERB COULD LIVE
WITHOUT THE BENIFIT OF THE SUN LIGHT
HOW COME ALL OF THIS BECOMES THE REALITY ITSELF
WITHIN THAT EXISTENCE
BECAUSE IMAGINED IF THERES NO SUN OR STAR
HOW COME PLANETS CAME FIRST BEFORE STARS
AND BECAUSE IF THIS
THERES ALSO NO LIVING PLANETS IF NO LIVING STARS
IN THE FIRST PLACE
:8) MEANING ITS ALL SPIRITUAL
THEN AFTER THE SPIRITUAL CREATION COMES
THE LITERALLY PHYSICAL CREATION
THEN THE COMBINATION OF SPIRITUAL CREATION
AND LITERALLY PHYSICAL CREATION
AND GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD
JUST LOOK UNTO THIS VERSES AND TELL US WHAT YOUVE SEEN
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 3. 22.
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Pahayag: 2. 7. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Pahayag: 22. 2. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
thats combination of spiritual and literal :rofl:and the combination of
:scarf: spiritual between spiritual :yawn:
:smoke: is still not been told
:happy: for now
as it is written
:read:
1 Tesalonica: 5. 17.
Pray without ceasing.
18. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19. Quench not the Spirit.
20. Despise not prophesyings.
21. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
Mga Hebreo: 4. 11.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
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godbless us all always
Question: "Why are there so many televangelist scandals?"
Answer: The term “televangelist” has almost universally negative overtones. Typical responses from people who are asked what they think about televangelists include the following: dishonest, greedy, materialistic, wasteful, and scandalous. The sight of televangelists wearing overly expensive clothing and jewelry, living in ridiculously expensive homes, and driving the most luxurious of cars, has caused many people to turn away from faith in Christ. Even non-Christians can discern that the teachings and lifestyles of most televangelists are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
There is nothing inherently wrong with televangelism. Television, just like any other medium (such as radio or the internet), is simply one way to get the gospel of Jesus Christ out into the world. There are many godly Christian leaders who use television to advance the gospel. Television is not the cause of the problems in televangelism. The problem in televangelism is the unbiblical beliefs of many televangelists. While television itself is not the problem, it does contribute to the problem in that it is far more difficult to discern a wolf in sheep’s clothing on a television screen than it is to discern such an individual through careful, in-person investigation. Television makes it easier for a facade of godliness and life-changing ministry to be presented, when behind the scenes, all that is truly occurring is a fleecing of unsuspecting sheep.
The core cause of many televangelist scandals is the belief commonly known as the health-wealth gospel. Televangelists are the primary propagators of the idea that it is always God’s will for all Christians to be perfectly healthy and financially wealthy. The essential message of the health-wealth gospel is that if you give money, God is obligated to bless you with health and wealth. If you give money, but are not blessed with health and wealth, you either did not give enough money, or do not have enough faith to truly receive the blessing. In this, health-wealth televangelists encourage people to give large sums of money, while preemptively explaining why the people are not blessed with health and wealth as they were promised.
Also known as the “prosperity gospel,” it is decidedly unbiblical. Yes, the Bible encourages believers to give (1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 9:6). And yes, the Bible teaches that those who give generously will be blessed by God (Luke 6:38; 2 Corinthians 9:7). However, the Bible does not teach that we should give SO THAT we will be blessed. The Bible teaches that we should give because we love God and want to thank Him for what He has given us. Our motive for giving should not be so that God will bless us in return. Rather, our motive for giving should be to glorify God and to share the blessings He has given, thereby further expanding His kingdom and promoting the message of the gospel. The message, focus, and motive of the health-wealth televangelists are clearly unbiblical.
While it is always wrong to motivate giving by unbiblical methods, it would at least be somewhat understandable if these televangelists used the money for godly purposes. Sadly, that is most definitely not the case. It is utterly ridiculous to think that it is God’s desire for televangelists to spend the money donated for their ministry on mansions, while there are hundreds of languages into which not even a portion of the Bible has been translated. It is offensive for televangelists to drive cars that, if sold, could feed a starving African village for months. It is abhorrent that televangelists own clothing outfits that cost more than the average family can afford to spend on clothing in an entire year. To those who have been offended by the many televangelist scandals, please understand this – those televangelists do not represent the Christian faith and they are not following either Jesus’ teachings or His example. Televangelist scandals have truly “given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme” (2 Samuel 12:14).
While it is inconceivable that anyone could truly study the Bible and come away with a belief in the health-wealth gospel that many televangelists espouse, it is possible that some televangelists genuinely believe their message is true, biblical, right, and good. However, whether he believes it or whether he is intentionally and knowingly attempting to fleece people, the result is the same: people are deceived, robbed, and hurt.
To those Christians who have been deceived and hurt by televangelist scandals: please do not let your experience with televangelists cloud your relationship with Jesus Christ. Study God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and you will see the true message of the gospel. To those non-Christians for whom televangelism is a reason for your rejection of the Christian faith: do not reject faith in Jesus Christ due to the lies, deceptions, ungodly teachings, and unholy lifestyles of the televangelists. Examine God’s Word for yourself, and if you are to reject the true gospel, at least reject it for what it truly is.
http://www.gotquestions.org/televangelist-scandals.html
Answer: The term “televangelist” has almost universally negative overtones. Typical responses from people who are asked what they think about televangelists include the following: dishonest, greedy, materialistic, wasteful, and scandalous. The sight of televangelists wearing overly expensive clothing and jewelry, living in ridiculously expensive homes, and driving the most luxurious of cars, has caused many people to turn away from faith in Christ. Even non-Christians can discern that the teachings and lifestyles of most televangelists are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
There is nothing inherently wrong with televangelism. Television, just like any other medium (such as radio or the internet), is simply one way to get the gospel of Jesus Christ out into the world. There are many godly Christian leaders who use television to advance the gospel. Television is not the cause of the problems in televangelism. The problem in televangelism is the unbiblical beliefs of many televangelists. While television itself is not the problem, it does contribute to the problem in that it is far more difficult to discern a wolf in sheep’s clothing on a television screen than it is to discern such an individual through careful, in-person investigation. Television makes it easier for a facade of godliness and life-changing ministry to be presented, when behind the scenes, all that is truly occurring is a fleecing of unsuspecting sheep.
The core cause of many televangelist scandals is the belief commonly known as the health-wealth gospel. Televangelists are the primary propagators of the idea that it is always God’s will for all Christians to be perfectly healthy and financially wealthy. The essential message of the health-wealth gospel is that if you give money, God is obligated to bless you with health and wealth. If you give money, but are not blessed with health and wealth, you either did not give enough money, or do not have enough faith to truly receive the blessing. In this, health-wealth televangelists encourage people to give large sums of money, while preemptively explaining why the people are not blessed with health and wealth as they were promised.
Also known as the “prosperity gospel,” it is decidedly unbiblical. Yes, the Bible encourages believers to give (1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 9:6). And yes, the Bible teaches that those who give generously will be blessed by God (Luke 6:38; 2 Corinthians 9:7). However, the Bible does not teach that we should give SO THAT we will be blessed. The Bible teaches that we should give because we love God and want to thank Him for what He has given us. Our motive for giving should not be so that God will bless us in return. Rather, our motive for giving should be to glorify God and to share the blessings He has given, thereby further expanding His kingdom and promoting the message of the gospel. The message, focus, and motive of the health-wealth televangelists are clearly unbiblical.
While it is always wrong to motivate giving by unbiblical methods, it would at least be somewhat understandable if these televangelists used the money for godly purposes. Sadly, that is most definitely not the case. It is utterly ridiculous to think that it is God’s desire for televangelists to spend the money donated for their ministry on mansions, while there are hundreds of languages into which not even a portion of the Bible has been translated. It is offensive for televangelists to drive cars that, if sold, could feed a starving African village for months. It is abhorrent that televangelists own clothing outfits that cost more than the average family can afford to spend on clothing in an entire year. To those who have been offended by the many televangelist scandals, please understand this – those televangelists do not represent the Christian faith and they are not following either Jesus’ teachings or His example. Televangelist scandals have truly “given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme” (2 Samuel 12:14).
While it is inconceivable that anyone could truly study the Bible and come away with a belief in the health-wealth gospel that many televangelists espouse, it is possible that some televangelists genuinely believe their message is true, biblical, right, and good. However, whether he believes it or whether he is intentionally and knowingly attempting to fleece people, the result is the same: people are deceived, robbed, and hurt.
To those Christians who have been deceived and hurt by televangelist scandals: please do not let your experience with televangelists cloud your relationship with Jesus Christ. Study God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and you will see the true message of the gospel. To those non-Christians for whom televangelism is a reason for your rejection of the Christian faith: do not reject faith in Jesus Christ due to the lies, deceptions, ungodly teachings, and unholy lifestyles of the televangelists. Examine God’s Word for yourself, and if you are to reject the true gospel, at least reject it for what it truly is.
http://www.gotquestions.org/televangelist-scandals.html
not everyone of them were pleasing men nor rewarding themselves by every material things
that this world could offer
but to tell the truth
that is written in the scriptures
as it is written
:read:
Exodo: 18. 21. Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22. And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
23. If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
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godbless us all always
:8) as it is written
:read:
Deuteronomio: 13. 14. Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
... . NO NEED FOR HURTING ANYONE SUCH AS KILLING
THOUGH SOMETIMES ITS REALLY HURT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
ACCORDING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN
THE VERY WORD OF GOD
. ... NOT UNTO SOME OF THOSE VERY WORDS OF MEN
WHICH IS SOMETIMES JUST IGNORING THE VERY TRUTH
THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE HOLY BIBLE ITSELF
:ty:
godbless us all always
:read:
Deuteronomio: 13. 14. Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
... . NO NEED FOR HURTING ANYONE SUCH AS KILLING
THOUGH SOMETIMES ITS REALLY HURT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
ACCORDING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN
THE VERY WORD OF GOD
. ... NOT UNTO SOME OF THOSE VERY WORDS OF MEN
WHICH IS SOMETIMES JUST IGNORING THE VERY TRUTH
THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE HOLY BIBLE ITSELF
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godbless us all always