The Angels and Archangels

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If angels fall they never get another chance. Praise God for Jesus, we get even more than second chances!

Angels have no excuse, they have stood in the presence of God and if they choose to rebel after that, no more chances.
We all stand in the presence of the Lord, even at this moment, and the Lord forgives us all when we repent of our sin. That would be true of angels, too. Once you become an angel, do you want the Lord to stop forgiving you?
 

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No, only Jesus had never sinned. Everybody knows that.
Seems EVERYBODY doesn't know that...

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Only one third sinned and followed Satan...

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
 

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We all stand in the presence of the Lord, even at this moment, and the Lord forgives us all when we repent of our sin. That would be true of angels, too. Once you become an angel, do you want the Lord to stop forgiving you?
We don't become angels, we become the sons and daughters of God. We become part of the family.
 
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"bound at the Euphrates River"


Revelation
9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
 
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no where says we will be greater than the holy angels ?

If the saints become the judges over the fallen angels then that means the saints are held in higher regard.
Else wise God would do the judging Himself and not appoint another, or He would have the holy angels judge over the fallen angels. He instead gives that authority to the saints.
 

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Once you become an angel, do you want the Lord to stop forgiving you?
Humans do not become angels. Humans are humans while angels are angels (pure spirits, intelligences without corporality).
 

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Humans do not become angels. Humans are humans while angels are angels (pure spirits, intelligences without corporality).
Humans can become part of the God family...

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

We were created for that...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 
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There is hierarchy among angels. This hierarchy refers to different functions that angels accomplish. The seraphim, for instance have little to do with humans: they are always praising, glorifying God and always are the closest to God. Angels (the messengers) have the function to communicate God's will to people. Angels are the closest to humans.

There are nine type of angels (it is not very good to call them all angels because angel means messenger and not all these spiritual creatures have the function/job to communicate with people, as I showed above). These nine type of angels can be put in three classes.

The first class is formed of: Seraphims, Cherubims and the Holy Thrones (Colossians 1:16) - these are the closest to God and always praise Him.

The second class is formed of: Rulers, Authorities, Powers (Colossians 1:16)

The third class is formed of: Principalities, Archangels and Angels.
What are the four spirit that go out through the earth ? Where od the cherubims go who travel as a flash of lighting ?
 
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Revelation 12:4New International Version (NIV)

4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her childthe moment he was born.


I don’t think they are talking about angels here.
 
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You are wrong res33

2/3 of the created angels have never sinned against the Lord .... and they will not

And Revelation 12 is talking about the fallen angels .... read it

And so are these "stars" [Revelation 6:13]
 
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What are the four spirit that go out through the earth ? Where od the cherubims go who travel as a flash of lighting ?
I don't know about four spirit that go out through the earth.
 
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If the saints become the judges over the fallen angels then that means the saints are held in higher regard.
Else wise God would do the judging Himself and not appoint another, or He would have the holy angels judge over the fallen angels. He instead gives that authority to the saints.
Where does it say we will be greater than the Holy angels

man judging fallen angels is also a humilation for the angels they are more powerful yet God uses humans to judge thenm that is the lesson there ?
 
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I don’t think they are talking about angels here.
Then you need to go study your bible

What does this verse means ? Is it literal stars or not ?
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 

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I don’t think they are talking about angels here.
It talks about the battle that started (and still continues until the end of times when satan and his servants will be completely defeated) in Heaven when Satan sinned and took with him a third of angels. Here he is portrayed as an awful dragon. Read all Revelation 12 so that you have the whole context.
 
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Humans are a "little" lower than the angels at this time .... but this is going to change

You should know this .... it is in scripture
 
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I don't know about four spirit that go out through the earth.
[h=1]Zechariah 6:5-7King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
 
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:confused: more ehhh we shall never be angels never they are greater in might we will have a glorified body and never will we be spirits
The Lord forgives, so once you have repented of your sin, you are as great as anybody.
 
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Humans are a "little" lower than the angels at this time .... but this is going to change

You should know this .... it is in scripture
Where in the bible says that we will be greater than the angels ?

[h=1]Luke 20:36King James Version (KJV)[/h]36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.