Yes Wanderers, Jesus, the disciples, and Paul were Jews, real Jews. The book of Acts describes the first Christians as "thousands of Jews" (21:20). Chapter 18, verse 28 tells us that Apollos"...mightily convinced the Jews...showing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ." The disciples (real Jews) "were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26). Who then, and where, are today's millions of Christian descendants of those "thousands of Jews" long ago? Yes, as Isaiah prophesied (62:2; 65:15) that they, like the disciples when in Antioch, are called, not Jews, but "Christians," Israel's "new name...another name" in the New Covenant era. Why then does a religious establishment not admit that today's millions of Christian descendants, of those ("thousands of Jews") are found---in the church, in historic Christianity? Why then, are we taught to identify Israel based upon a mantra, one repeated as "Israel rejected Jesus?" Why does a religious establishment want us to believe that it is the descendants of non-Messianic Israelites only---who are Israelites---and to be supported by Christians! Who then, are we to identify as today's descendants of "them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9)? Is it today's Christian descendants of those "thousands" of Messianic Israelites, or is it the descendants of non-Messianic Jews only? Why then, are we told, by the dispensationalist-futurist establishment, that descendants of non-Messianic Jews only are Israelites, and to be supported by Christians? I don't know about you, but I smell a rat?