The Antichrist will come out of Islam

notbythesword · May 25, 2017

Hey serp. I don’t believe that a beast has to be an antichrist. I believe that the first beast of Revelation 13 (the beast from the sea) could actually be an Islamic government/empire…not a single creature or being. This first beast from the sea will rise to power and rule for 3 ½ years. It is said that it had suffered a great head wound, but now is healed. I feel that this could very well be in reference to the once mighty Islamic Ottoman Empire. While at one time it ruled most of the known world, it has since been conquered, locked back up, and subdued.

The first beast is said to be given power by the dragon (Satan) to make war against the saints and be able to conquer them. Everyone on earth will be forced to worship this beast (Islamic faith and empire). In verse 5 of Revelation 13 you can see how this beast was given a mouth to speak on behalf of the beast, as well as authority to act on behalf of the beast. This could likely be a person put in charge of this religious empire, or as they would call him in Islam…a Caliph.

The second beast (the beast from the earth) seems to be an individual who is working on behalf of the Islamic Empire (first beast). He is depicted as being the main person who will be influencing people to worship the image of the beast. He will even be given power to do great works like bringing fire down from heaven, deceiving many. He is who orders that all must take the mark of the beast. So to sum it up, I view the first beast as an empire and the second as an individual. Hope this helps

Bladerunner · May 25, 2017

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Gabriel2020,,your assumptions about the anti-christ being a military leader, athiest , etc. are as good as anybodies. The angels from Heaven will introduce him and Jesus will give him his power. in rev 6:2.

as far as the 10 military nations go, they will come during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week. The beast (anti-christ) will have enough power by then (with the help of the Harlot who rides the beast)to take charge over the world

FYI,,,The Muslims (Islamist) who still believe in 'Allah' do NOT BELIEVE in the Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Bladerunner · May 25, 2017

tanakh said:

According to the Bible, He (antichrist) only CONFIRMS the covenant that is made between Israel and 'Death and HELL'. They want to rebuild the temple in order for the messiah to come back and take care of the Hordes and antichrist surrounding them. Rem, They do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

The majority of the Islamist believing Muslims will most likely be sucked into the "One World Government" that the Harlot and the False Prophet are selling. Of course, they have a choice like the remaining Christians. They can change or Die.

Let me add that the philosophy of the RCC using the Mother Mary as a Co-Redemptrix is in the Mix Today.

The present POPE (the last pope according to an Irish Bishop, Saint Malachy, who lived in the 12th century), is touted to be the last POPE. If he is, HE will be most likely the False Prophet.

Having been requested to make Mary the Co-Remptrix by International Marian Association, Pope Francis did "refer to Mary as “co-redemptrix with Jesus the redeemer” during the 100th year anniversary of the purported apparitions of Mary in Fatima, Portugal." Ref..Christian News, May 25, 2017...Roman Catholic Group Requests ‘Pope Francis’ Refer to Mary as ‘Co-Redemptrix With Jesus’ | Christian News Network

I believe that (Not if it happens but when), the Islamist will be more than likely to believe in the one world religion as will many other denominations and religions throughout the world.

In essence, the Christians left behind will stand out like a "Sore Thumb".

Have a great day, tanakh
Blade

Bladerunner · May 25, 2017

trofimus said:

I am sorry Trofimus, you are wrong. It has not been about Israel for some time now. in fact, since 70 AD and the diasporia of Israel as a nation. It is and has been all about the CHurch since then but in a different way than you are suggesting.

When the Church is raptured, God will again turn his attention to His People, Israel and bring a remnant of them through Daniels 70th week. Then with Israel (the remnant) and the Church, Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

If You do not believe in this, Then answer this question to Yourself...I don't want to know?. Are you prepared to Die for Jesus when You are left behind????????????????????

It is either die for Jesus or believe in the one world religion and then after the midway point in the Daniel's 70th week , you will be worshiping the antichrist/Satan combo because the anitchrist and the 10 nations will kill the Harlot. The Harlot or ' Vatican City' as we know it today will disappear in one hour (rev 18:16-17)...

Oh, could they do that in 70 AD.....I doubt it.

Good luck on that!

Blade

followjesus · May 25, 2017

Magenta said:

and when you look at what God said about ishmaels future it makes sense too

Genesis 16:11-12 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.12And he will be a wild man;HIS HAND WILL BE AGAINST EVERY MAN, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Bladerunner · May 26, 2017

tanakh said:

A trembling cup to all....Zechariah 12:2 KJV " Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall) be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."

Have you ever asked yourself WHY??????/ The prophecies that are to come will show that God will announce his presence by defeating the Gog/Magog invasion. Where is the rest of the world?

The Psalm 83 prophecy will place all of her (Israel's) enemies (present day immediate neighbors), Tents of Edom (Palestinians/southern Jordan), Ishmalilites(Saudi Arabia), Moab(Palestinians/Central Jordon), Hagarenes (Egyptians), Gebal(Hebollah/North Lebanon), Ammon(Palestinians/North Jordan), Amalek (Sinai), the Philistines (Hamas of Gaza), Tyre (Hezbollah and South Lebanon), Assyria (Syria and Northern Iraq) in a war against her.

As one can see. She (Israel) is surrounded with Enemies/countries.. in todays time it seems that it would not take much to start such a war.

JaumeJ · May 26, 2017

Did this man cause all to receive the mark?

followjesus said:

Antiochus IV, but he took upon himself the title “Epiphanes,” which means “illustrious one” or “god manifest.”

But the most famous conflict connected to Antiochus Epiphanes is the Maccabean revolt. During that time of history, there were two factions within Judaism: the Hellenists, who had accepted pagan practices and the Greek culture; and the Traditionalists, who were faithful to the Mosaic Law and the old ways. Supposedly to avoid a civil war between these two factions, Antiochus made a decree outlawing Jewish rites and worship, ordering the Jews to worship Zeus rather than Yahweh. He wasn’t just trying to Hellenize the Jews but to totally eliminate all traces of Jewish culture. Of course, the Jews rebelled against his decrees.

In an act of brazen disrespect, Antiochus raided the temple in Jerusalem, stealing its treasures, setting up an altar to Zeus, and sacrificing swine on the altar. When the Jews expressed their outrage over the profaning of the temple, Antiochus responded by slaughtering a great number of the Jews and selling others into slavery. He issued even more draconian decrees: performing the rite of circumcision was punishable by death, and Jews everywhere were ordered to sacrifice to pagan gods and eat pig flesh."

The Jewish response was to take up arms and fight. In 167—166 BC, Judas Maccabaeus led the Jews in a series of victories over the military forces of the Syrian-Greeks. After vanquishing Antiochus and the Seleucids, the Jews cleaned and restored the temple in 165.

Antiochus Epiphanes is a tyrannical figure in Jewish history, and he is also a foreshadowing of the coming Antichrist."

the macabean books were the history kept by the jews accounting for the 400 years between malichi and matthew. Though it isnt part of the cannon, it is a valid account of events that happened between the ot and nt a time of spiritual darkness when God was not comminicating with mankind by Giving His prophetic word. antiochus IV took on the name epiphanes, claiming to be a god manifest, abolished the daily sacrifice of Jews, and ordered them to worship and sacrifice to zeus in accordance with His own will.

tanakh · May 26, 2017

serpentdove said:

You might be watching from the Mezzanine wherever that is but the rest of Christianity will be here.

Jackson123 · Jun 16, 2017

aforgivensonofGod said:

There was a thread I've created 3 years ago about this same subject. I want to make clear that everything I've said is what I believe to be the last days and how it will play out. As you can see now, it has been played out and we're definitely going into the next few stages of the last days.

- The name allah is an inscription of the number 666 that John saw.
- The muslim nation is looking for a Caliphate to rule over them (divine person with all authority.)
- In the last days you won't be able to eat, buy, or sell unless you have the name or number written on your forehead or arm.
- The Ottoman Empire was an Islam empire that was wounded and as you can see now with your spiritual eyes (if you can see) that they are coming back in full strength.
- The media is being used by the devil as a gateway to open up these doors. For years the devil has planned and he used the church and her power to get what he wanted.
- Everything is coming together as the enemy plan starting from Women hatred, to the war of our children (abortion), to now an attack on the men of this generation to make them less of a man. Those attacks lead to bitterness, hurt, and when offended and hurt people come together it becomes a game of "I'm the victim, so you do as I say."
- Combine those attack on the family to the attack of beliefs with Theory of Evolution. Instead of morally correcting the problem like we use to, we now try to rely on Sociology and "Science" to define terrorist attacks, violence, and hate. It has done nothing, but more harm and has caused people to thrift away from the Truth and how to actually solve a problem.
- You see and understand why God was so stern when He called the Israelite to wipe out the Palestine and keep not even their folks. Because they will be a thorn to our side and the reason why many will perish and die. If you do not know, Palestine is the Muslim nation.
- In the last days if you do not worship the Islamic god, you will have your head cut off, tortured, can't eat, sell, nor buy.
- In the last days as well, God will burn up her wine (which is her Oil) that the Muslim nation used as a tool to get her wealth and power. And she will be label by God as a Whore so the nations can see.

No John Said the antichrist went out from us, John is Christian, so us for John mean christian

From us but they were not of us, to me It mean, look like Christian but not. May be catholic.
Catholic olok like Christian but not

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of u

serpentdove · Jun 16, 2017

Meggido said:

It's not vulgar. Do you deny the fact that there is a hell and most people are going there? Ex 23:2, Mt 7:14

By the way, are you pro-child killing, too? Pr 8:36

Meggido · Jun 16, 2017

serpentdove said:

act your grown woman age and not your shoe size.

serpentdove · Jun 16, 2017

Meggido said:

It's a yes or no question.

Are you a pro-abort? Pr 8:36

dcontroversal · Jun 16, 2017

notuptome said:

I don't necessarily buy this even though I used to.....the reason I say this is because of the following statement....he will not have respect unto the God of his fathers.....he will scrutinize, recognize, embrace, honor and cause to increase a god his fathers knew not.....

Ishmael's father was ABRAHAM and it is possible Ishmael honored the god of Abraham as a child and maybe even as an adult because God did bless him and increase him....the Arabs come from Ishmael.....so....both the JEWS and the Arabs can lay claim to Abraham as their father......and the statement mentioned in Daniel can apply to either......

Meggido · Jun 16, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I have never thought the Beast & False prophets were movements, establishments, organizations, etc.

Satan counterfeits everything of God, including his Triune God head

Satan>>>>GOD
Beast>>>>Jesus
False Prophet>>>>Holy Spirit

The greatest lie Satan has on the church is pre-trib foolishness. When the beast comes to power I believe it will look like, smell like and act like The day of the Lord and will deceive the very elect

Yet when he does come to power many will say, thats not him because Jesus has not come back to rapture us yet.

samuel23 · Jun 16, 2017

serpentdove said:

Question for you SD. Why did Paul in 2Thess2 warn the church not to be fooled by anyone because the church could not be gathered until AFTER the revealing of the Antichrist? By making that statement, Paul declared beyond any possible argument that the rapture of the church could not occur until after the time of the Antichrist, which is the tribulation. I know that some folks are good at wrestling what they want from scripture, but this is written so plain that a 10 year old child could not mistake what it means. If you can understand, do not go outside without your coat, then you can understand, we cannot be gathered until after the revealing of the Antichrist.

dcontroversal · Jun 16, 2017

Meggido said:

I have never thought the Beast & False prophets were movements, establishments, organizations, etc.

Satan counterfeits everything of God, including his Triune God head

Satan>>>>GOD
Beast>>>>Jesus
False Prophet>>>>Holy Spirit

The greatest lie Satan has on the church is pre-trib foolishness. When the beast comes to power I believe it will look like, smell like and act like The day of the Lord and will deceive the very elect

Yet when he does come to power many will say, thats not him because Jesus has not come back to rapture us yet.

I agree for sure that the pre-trib farce is foolishness.......post tribulation pre wrath is my stand

serpentdove · Jun 16, 2017

samuel23 said:

Not what was happening.

See:

Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler

Meggido · Jun 16, 2017

serpentdove said:

Missler is a known and personally admitted Plagiarizer and fraud.

wwjd_kilden · Jun 16, 2017

out of Islam? Nope, never gonna happen.

The world hates and fears Islam, Muslims and anyone from typically Islamic countries.
They will not be deceived by a "Muslim" prophet.

I vote for the mention of it being an atheist, to mislead the masses, or a Jew, to misled the chosen people.

serpentdove · Jun 16, 2017

Meggido said:

Missler is a fine servant of the Lord (Eph 4:14). You failed to answer: Are you pro-Sodomite?

Are you a pro-abort?

Do you believe that man's laws should be higher than God's laws (humanism [man as god 666])?

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