The Best Church for You - By Brother James L. Melton

[SarahM777]

Chosen,


Peter uses that verse as a COMPARISON.

2 Peter 1:19

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

The words as to is a comparison. His point in this verse is that we are to pay attention to the message in the SAME WAY as a LIGHT that shines in a dark place,until the dawn comes. Peter is NOT talking about Jesus,he is talking about the prophetic message.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Chosen,


Peter uses that verse as a COMPARISON.

2 Peter 1:19

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

The words as to is a comparison. His point in this verse is that we are to pay attention to the message in the SAME WAY as a LIGHT that shines in a dark place,until the dawn comes. Peter is NOT talking about Jesus,he is talking about the prophetic message.

No Sarah, that does not work. Even if it is a comparison or figurative, doesn't matter because it still creates confusion as to which morning star they are referring to. The NIV makes no distinctions between The Lord Jesus and Lucifer.

 

[SarahM777]

No Sarah, that does not work. Even if it is a comparison or figurative, doesn't matter because it still creates confusion as to which morning star they are referring to. The NIV makes no distinctions between The Lord Jesus and Lucifer.

OK which serpent is Genesis referring to? YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT. It's basic reading comprehension. It's not rocket science. The context defines what they mean.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

OK which serpent is Genesis referring to? YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT. It's basic reading comprehension. It's not rocket science. The context defines what they mean.

It is simple Sarah. You can answer your own question by getting a King James Bible and simply comparing Scripture with Scripture. The word "serpent" appears in the Authorized Version 38 times.

Here are some verses of Scripture that when you study them and compare them, you can see who it was that tempted Eve:

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:1-15 (Holy Bible)



11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. - 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 (Holy Bible)




7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. - Revelation 12:7-17 (Holy Bible)



20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. - Revelation 20:1-5 (Holy Bible)

So from comparing Scripture with Scripture, it is obvious who the serpent was in Genesis 3:1.

 

[SarahM777]

It is simple Sarah.

That was not the best example of what I was trying to get at. When the Bible says prince or king,how do you know who that title belongs to unless you understand it from the CONTEXT. Prince is used for the archangel Michael,Jesus,Satan and also earthly princes. King is used for both earthly kings and Jesus. Do you just assume that just because the passage says king or prince that it is always talking about an earthly king or prince? Or do you look at the context to know which the verse is talking about?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

That was not the best example of what I was trying to get at. When the Bible says prince or king,how do you know who that title belongs to unless you understand it from the CONTEXT. Prince is used for the archangel Michael,Jesus,Satan and also earthly princes. King is used for both earthly kings and Jesus. Do you just assume that just because the passage says king or prince that it is always talking about an earthly king or prince? Or do you look at the context to know which the verse is talking about?

Of course I look at the context Sarah. And I also compare Scripture with Scripture.

Also, having the right Bible helps as well.

Just as it is easy to see who is fell from Heaven in Isaiah 14. That is when you read the context of the 14th Chapter of Isaiah. It is clearly Lucifer that fell from Heaven in Isaiah 14:12.

 

[SarahM777]

Of course I look at the context Sarah. And I also compare Scripture with Scripture.

Also, having the right Bible helps as well.

Just as it is easy to see who is fell from Heaven in Isaiah 14. That is when you read the context of the 14th Chapter of Isaiah. It is clearly Lucifer that fell from Heaven in Isaiah 14:12.

Strange I got that out of Isaiah 14 in the NIV.

 

[jinx]

did this go from the best church to the best bible version?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Strange I got that out of Isaiah 14 in the NIV.

Well Sarah, here is the thing, if you want to continue using the NIV, then go ahead. But the Lord won't fully bless you if you are using a Vatican version.

Again, does the Lord have grace on those Christians who use the new versions ignorantly? Sure. But the Lord will lead you to the truth. I mean He lead me to the truth on the Bible Version Issue, and thousands of others.

And this is what is interesting Sarah, do you know any Christian who believes that the NIV is God's perfect word? Or do you know any Christian who believes that the ESV is God's perfect and inerrant word?

Or do you know any Christian who believes that the NKJV is God's perfect and infallible word?

The Christians that I know who believe that the Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God are King James Bible believers. I have only met Christians who believe the King James Bible to be the perfect word of God.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Also here is a good video showing what I am talking about: Look at all these people from around the world who believe that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.

And of course the King James Bible is His perfect and holy word.

[video=youtube;ifyNKSvM870]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyNKSvM870[/video]

 

[SarahM777]

did this go from the best church to the best bible version?

UMM yeah,so that rabbit has every right to be confused.

 

[gb9]

chosen, you keep saying the truth. it is not the truth, it is YOUR truth. which is fine. but folks like you try to make their truth everybody's truth. so use the 1611 version, don't listen to music, etc. etc. but do not try to say anyone who does not do things YOUR way is hell-bound.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

chosen, you keep saying the truth. it is not the truth, it is YOUR truth. which is fine. but folks like you try to make their truth everybody's truth. so use the 1611 version, don't listen to music, etc. etc. but do not try to say anyone who does not do things YOUR way is hell-bound.

GB9, I keep saying it is the truth because it is.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. - John 17:17 (Holy Bible)

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. - Psalm 138:2 (Holy Bible)

God's word is the absolute truth GB9. Now let me ask you, what is your standard of truth?

Is it your feelings? Is it your preferences? Or is it a Book?

My Final Authority is a Book. A perfect Book.

And stop twisting my words, I did not say that a Christian who uses a new version is Hell bound, what I did say though is that if they have been shown the Bible Version Issue and they persist in error, in using the roman catholic Vatican versions (NIV, ESV, NASB, NLT, Message, etc.) Then that Christian will not be fully blessed in their life. Sorry, but that is the way it is. You want the Lord to bless you in your spiritual walk, well then you better submit to His Book. Which is the Authorized King James Version.

 

[gb9]

you do understand that when the verses you quoted above were said and recorded that there was no Bible. they were written on scrolls. and these words were not spoken in middle English. the 1611 version is fine, but it is not the standard. the original language is the standard. what we have now are ALL TRANSLATIONS. most of us do not speak Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. and please show me where blessings are dependant on which TRANSLATION we use.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

you do understand that when the verses you quoted above were said and recorded that there was no Bible. they were written on scrolls. and these words were not spoken in middle English. the 1611 version is fine, but it is not the standard. the original language is the standard. what we have now are ALL TRANSLATIONS. most of us do not speak Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. and please show me where blessings are dependant on which TRANSLATION we use.

Gb9, when you say original language? Are you referring to the original autographs?

Because we do not have the original autographs. Therefore, there must be a perfect Standard on this Earth for us. And it ain't the "originals." It is the Authorized King James Bible.

9Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. - Psalm 119:9 (Holy Bible)

You need His word GB9. Just like I need His word.

 

[homwardbound]

Well Sarah, here is the thing, if you want to continue using the NIV, then go ahead. But the Lord won't fully bless you if you are using a Vatican version.

Again, does the Lord have grace on those Christians who use the new versions ignorantly? Sure. But the Lord will lead you to the truth. I mean He lead me to the truth on the Bible Version Issue, and thousands of others.

And this is what is interesting Sarah, do you know any Christian who believes that the NIV is God's perfect word? Or do you know any Christian who believes that the ESV is God's perfect and inerrant word?

Or do you know any Christian who believes that the NKJV is God's perfect and infallible word?

The Christians that I know who believe that the Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God are King James Bible believers. I have only met Christians who believe the King James Bible to be the perfect word of God.

sorry to cut in here Sarah, but I have to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So we get part life everlasting lasting not full life, God came to give life to us all that believe and he does this or better yet did this through Christ back at the cross where eternal life is given, not part life
I see deception causing doubt whether this is what you mean or not it is what you are saying and doing, spreading deceit and doubt, the same as the serpent did to Adam and Eve, As I said I do not know whether you are doing this on purpose or not, only God and you know, And I am saying to you repent, before he comes
All in love for your Soul
Homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

Also here is a good video showing what I am talking about: Look at all these people from around the world who believe that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.

And of course the King James Bible is His perfect and holy word.

[video=youtube;ifyNKSvM870]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyNKSvM870[/video]

I smell deception, it acts like a duck, it walks like a duck, lets kill it and bake it and see if it is real.
I been around all the fruit bearing trees, seeing all the glory, and how real they appear to be
I saw only one tree and this tree appeared in need it had only one piece of fruit on it, while all the other trees had clumps of fruit hanging off of it.
So I had been eating off of the trees that had much fruit, and was satisfied here in this world, being supplied all I need and out helping others, doing my thing, developing my own righteousness, not seeing this as what was happening, my flesh had deceived me.
Then one day I hear this voice to go over to that tree that has only that one piece of fruit on it and eat it. I said then it will be barren and I do not want to kill that tree in not having any fruit. Obviously that tree need to go to read the word, only the KJV so it will have more fruit, and Church all the time, you know like those other trees are doing.
Finally one day I ate that one piece of fruit, and I was amazed, at it's taste, at the healing I received from it, and the understanding I thus gained from it. I also watched as that tree rebirth a new fruit on it in that very same place as the old was.
When I went back to eat off of all those other tress full of fruit, in one bite I had a mouth full of wax and saw that all along these trees were fake, and where full of wax, which is what I got was a mouth full of wax, and went back to the one and only tree that was and is full of life. This is Christ the tree of life that was hidden in the garden until the time came for him to appear as man to redeem all mankind, leaving us with one thought left to either believe God and eat from that tree of life or not believe and eat off all those fake trees in the world of this life here and now, forsaking everlasting life, wanting acceptance from mankind over God
Going to Church, or reading the Bible no matter what version, does not make one saved, just as going to McDonalds and studying McDonald's does not make one a hamburger
It is choice either one believes or they do not, if one believes God will reveal truth to that one, but will not reveal it to just anyone.
This depends on ones Motive to whether God will have Mercy on one or not on another.

 

[SarahM777]

Well Sarah, here is the thing, if you want to continue using the NIV, then go ahead. But the Lord won't fully bless you if you are using a Vatican version.

Again, does the Lord have grace on those Christians who use the new versions ignorantly? Sure. But the Lord will lead you to the truth. I mean He lead me to the truth on the Bible Version Issue, and thousands of others.

UMM Chosen,

A couple of questions for you,do you or anyone you know of perhaps have a 1600's dictionary to makes sure you know what the words mean? The meanings on some of the words have changed over the years. It's not the Greek and Hebrew that is the problem,the problem is that ENGLISH changed over time.

Question two doesn't it bother you to know that in many cases the Bible of choice for cults is the KJV? Why do they choose the KJV? Do you ever wonder about that?

Question three aren't we told not to lean on our own understanding? And isn't it the Holy Spirit that leads us into all truth?

Just curious.

 

[nl]

2 Timothy 2:22 provides guidance on how to participate in healthy Christian fellowship:

...follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

In a healthy fellowship, the people will follow together after righteousness, faith, charity, peace. This fellowship will be characterized by the common experience of calling on the Lord together out of a pure heart.

 

[SarahM777]

Chosen,

Question for you,I have heard preachers use this passage from the KJV,I have heard at least three different meanings by preachers using the KJV. So my question for you what does this word really mean within the context of this passage?

What is the definition of effeminate in 1 Corinthians 6? Again I have heard preachers using it to mean at least three different ways so which one is correct?

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Would you be kind enough to explain it? Thanks