the blowing of the shofar

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unclefester

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First Video/First Minute : "God is saying ... Jim, you are like an Elijah ... and Michael is like an Elisha. You're his teacher." (say WHAT ?? :confused:)

SHOFAR CLASS - THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man) - SEGMENT 5 of 9 - YouTube

Second Video/First Few Seconds : "yaykattamyosa lahamotta sakatta la bita sone mya so mosa (or sumpin' like that :confused:) Wait a second !! I just figgered it out. He was speaking a heavenly language !!! This must be for real ... and what God wants :cool:)

THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man): SEGMENT 6 of 9 - YouTube

***I wonder who his taxidermist is ?:confused:***
 
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I recently bought a shofar ram horn polished black and learning how to play it any tips even scriptures will be nice
Joshua 6:4
Have seven priests carry trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets.

Leviticus 23:24
“Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts.

Judges 7:19
Gideon and the hundred men with him reached the edge of the camp at the beginning of the middle watch, just after they had changed the guard. They blew their trumpets and broke the jars that were in their hands.

Matthew 11:17
“‘We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’

2 Chronicles 7:6
The priests took their positions, as did the Levites with the Lord’s musical instruments, which King David had made for praising the Lord and which were used when he gave thanks, saying, “His love endures forever.” Opposite the Levites, the priests blew their trumpets, and all the Israelites were standing.
 
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You are a preacher? Cool. Just wondering, if there were still feasts in the NT, then wouldn't there have been the horn? Where does it say it was banished?
They still did it in Judiaism & the Temple, but if you noticed, temple practices nor OT holydays were ever mentioned in the NT with exception for the gospels, for the practices were done away with in the church. Most of these practices were fulfilled by Christ.

Modern churches want something new, something lively, so they add these things. Problem is, they never consult the Lord about it. They just think they can. They don't understand they don't have the authority to do so.
 

Apostol2013

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Well the feast are of the law but some jews keep the feast as a tradition like mexicans and tamales or anglos and turkey but tradition is tradition and true doctrine is true doctrine we are not to judge one another but keep in mind allways true doctrine true order study to be learned pray to be discerned fast to be more spiritual that the learning be developed faster by inspiration of the spirit to be a true receptacle of unhewn stone to be usefull to God
 

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For those who are saying that because shofars and trumpets aren't in the NT, it's dangerous to use them, then that same standard should be held to ALL for traditions or celebrations that aren't in the NT.

Christmas, Easter, Children's Sunday School, Grape Juice Communion, Electric Guitars, Projectors, Power Point Sermon Notes, Live Streaming Video, etc, etc, etc.

Some of those are obviously ridiculous to include here. (I mentioned the last few, tongue-in-cheek, because I'm in charge of the Sound Board, power point and live streaming today.) But what about Christmas or Easter? Separating kids out for Sunday School? Not Biblical, and derived from pagan and fleshly motivations and traditions.
KohenMatt, shofars were FOR ISRAEL.
ancient israel.
primarily as a warning of impending JUDGMENT.
but you guys can play around with that if you want to - there is NO NT warrant for this.
 

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First Video/First Minute : "God is saying ... Jim, you are like an Elijah ... and Michael is like an Elisha. You're his teacher." (say WHAT ?? :confused:)

SHOFAR CLASS - THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man) - SEGMENT 5 of 9 - YouTube

Second Video/First Few Seconds : "yaykattamyosa lahamotta sakatta la bita sone mya so mosa (or sumpin' like that :confused:) Wait a second !! I just figgered it out. He was speaking a heavenly language !!! This must be for real ... and what God wants :cool:)

THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man): SEGMENT 6 of 9 - YouTube

***I wonder who his taxidermist is ?:confused:***
but it's a free-for-all.
this guy is no more wrong than anyone else doing it.
 

zone

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Well the feast are of the law but some jews keep the feast as a tradition like mexicans and tamales or anglos and turkey but tradition is tradition and true doctrine is true doctrine we are not to judge one another but keep in mind allways true doctrine true order study to be learned pray to be discerned fast to be more spiritual that the learning be developed faster by inspiration of the spirit to be a true receptacle of unhewn stone to be usefull to God
unless you're going all the way RE: Feasts (ALL the Law), you are against CHRIST.
and if you DO go all the way with all the Law (feasts, etc) - you are against Christ.
do you not understand that?
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but it's a free-for-all.
this guy is no more wrong than anyone else doing it.
Agreed. Just another new twist to the "Let's pretend we're Hebrews" craze ... up to and including some in these clips bobbing their bodies (draped in their Made in China prayer shawls) like they were at the wailing wall itself :rolleyes:. Priceless ... lol Did you happen to take notice of the stuffed animals set on each side of "the altar" ? ... lol These people are priceless. Absolutely priceless ... roflmho
 

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I knew a Messianic Rabbi who played one of these. He opened the big Breakforth Conference here in Edmonton every year.

Strangely, the conference, which drew hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world, stopped this year.

I guess that was a real free for all, which God shut down, shofar and all!

PS. I confess I found it an interesting instrument. Not because of the Bible, but because I play wind instruments. Sort of like a different Irish tin whistle to me!
 

zone

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Agreed. Just another new twist to the "Let's pretend we're Hebrews" craze ... up to and including some in these clips bobbing their bodies (draped in their Made in China prayer shawls) like they were at the wailing wall itself :rolleyes:. Priceless ... lol Did you happen to take notice of the stuffed animals set on each side of "the altar" ? ... lol These people are priceless. Absolutely priceless ... roflmho
and the jews are supposed to be jealous of THAT?
hahaha.
they shake their heads and laugh.
 
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The trumpets that is mentioned in the scriptures is a shofar. Some of the shofar was dipped in silver or gold.

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KohenMatt, shofars were FOR ISRAEL.
ancient israel.
primarily as a warning of impending JUDGMENT.
but you guys can play around with that if you want to - there is NO NT warrant for this.
There is also no scripture in the NT where it says we can't. Any belief that says we can't is only man's speculation and preference.
 

zone

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There is also no scripture in the NT where it says we can't. Any belief that says we can't is only man's speculation and preference.
well, i suppose. but a study of the trumpets in Israel would suggest to me it would be the Last THING I WOULD WANT TO DO.
BLOW THAT TRUMPET.

but i appreciate that you never claim these things are related to salvation.
i would urge you to reconsider if they are pleasing to God since the Cross.
 
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They still did it in Judiaism & the Temple, but if you noticed, temple practices nor OT holydays were ever mentioned in the NT with exception for the gospels, for the practices were done away with in the church. Most of these practices were fulfilled by Christ.

Modern churches want something new, something lively, so they add these things. Problem is, they never consult the Lord about it. They just think they can. They don't understand they don't have the authority to do so.
I guess we can agree to disagree. For some Hebrews do not believe Jesus was God's Son, for they know that God's Son would never make null and void the laws of God, some christians beleive in Jesus only and not what Father said.and they are a stumbling block to the Jews......both are wrong, for Jesus did away with nothing except to strip from God's perfect Law whatever man had added, and that He was the only blood sacrifice, once and done for our sins, He died for us to believe!! And some say He died to make us free from God! But you went to seminary, you believe as they taught you. You are blinded by man made church. and you think I am blinded. So we disagree.

Modern churches gave us all the pagan holidays and forsake God's holidays. That is a problem. Changed the day of worship, the only commandment that said Remember. No way Jesus died to abolish one thing of God's law. a good son does not rebel against his father!!

what I find interesting though, is that lawless are the first to impose made up law, as in it's wrong to blow a shofar! How ridiculous!! Can you not see that? Cuz it's crystal clear to me. God's Law makes you free alright! It makes you free from the kigillion man made laws that are still being added! by those who say we are free from law! Oui!
 
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well, i suppose. but a study of the trumpets in Israel would suggest to me it would be the Last THING I WOULD WANT TO DO.
BLOW THAT TRUMPET.

but i appreciate that you never claim these things are related to salvation.
i would urge you to reconsider if they are pleasing to God since the Cross.
Fine dear, then you don't do it. But to say ridiculous things like you do, about what they can and can't do, wow, you are over the top out of control. You are a control freak, and say there is no God's law anymore. OK, Zone's Law. there we havit. amazing
 

zone

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Fine dear, then you don't do it. But to say ridiculous things like you do, about what they can and can't do, wow, you are over the top out of control. You are a control freak, and say there is no God's law anymore. OK, Zone's Law. there we havit. amazing
another liar...reported for openly lying.
find me saying ANYWHERE on this forum that there is "no God's Law" anymore.

see, that's all you folks can do...bleat the same preposterous claim: antinomianism.

now back it up.
 

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They still did it in Judiaism & the Temple, but if you noticed, temple practices nor OT holydays were ever mentioned in the NT with exception for the gospels, for the practices were done away with in the church. Most of these practices were fulfilled by Christ.

Modern churches want something new, something lively, so they add these things. Problem is, they never consult the Lord about it. They just think they can. They don't understand they don't have the authority to do so.
Feasts that Yahweh says should be kept for all generations are promoted in the NT:

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

1858. heortazo
heortazo: I keep a feast​
Original Word: ἑορτάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: heortazo
Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo)
Short Definition: I keep a feast
Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast

Colossians 2:16-23, "16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God.20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

I think we have v16 down, I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul (Paul) in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a child in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh hashanna and more. when they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6
 
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There is also no scripture in the NT where it says we can't. Any belief that says we can't is only man's speculation and preference.
Adding ANYTHING that isn't covered in scripture to actual worship changes how worship is done. Adding to the worship experience things no longer commanded is no different than the Jewish proselytizers in Acts trying to add circumcision. It is sin believing our horn blowing promotes spiritual worship as if you can't worship without it. That is tradition dependency, the same problem Jesus had with the traditions of the elders. Just because it isn't written in a religious book somewhere doesn't make it any less damning a sin.

I would suggest researching this subject independently & not thru your church. I went to a church that started adding ram's horns, christian flag waving, & other charismatic practices. What I discovered is that the people do LESS of what matters most. Prayer, bible study, & humble worship were all replaced over time. This happens everywhere this stuff infiltrates. The end result is an exciting performance with no spiritual life in it. Me-worship at its finest.
 
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I guess we can agree to disagree. For some Hebrews do not believe Jesus was God's Son, for they know that God's Son would never make null and void the laws of God, some christians beleive in Jesus only and not what Father said.and they are a stumbling block to the Jews......both are wrong, for Jesus did away with nothing except to strip from God's perfect Law whatever man had added, and that He was the only blood sacrifice, once and done for our sins, He died for us to believe!! And some say He died to make us free from God! But you went to seminary, you believe as they taught you. You are blinded by man made church. and you think I am blinded. So we disagree.

Modern churches gave us all the pagan holidays and forsake God's holidays. That is a problem. Changed the day of worship, the only commandment that said Remember. No way Jesus died to abolish one thing of God's law. a good son does not rebel against his father!!

what I find interesting though, is that lawless are the first to impose made up law, as in it's wrong to blow a shofar! How ridiculous!! Can you not see that? Cuz it's crystal clear to me. God's Law makes you free alright! It makes you free from the kigillion man made laws that are still being added! by those who say we are free from law! Oui!
RED: I have been in ministry for 31 years without a single hour of Semetary. (spelled more appropriately). That's so you will no longer judge me as a religious clone anymore. Realize you judged me falsely in front of hundreds of people.

BLUE: You impose that we receive a tradition based on no NT teachings whatsoever, supposing it's alright because everybody does it? That is indeed ridiculous. It can't even be found in early church history when the catholics were messing it up with their own traditions!
 
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They still did it in Judiaism & the Temple, but if you noticed, temple practices nor OT holydays were ever mentioned in the NT with exception for the gospels, for the practices were done away with in the church. Most of these practices were fulfilled by Christ.

Modern churches want something new, something lively, so they add these things. Problem is, they never consult the Lord about it. They just think they can. They don't understand they don't have the authority to do so.
Posts condemning God just make me feel terrible. Paul was against teaching a lot of these practices as the pathway to God, and using these practices in wrong ways. These practices do not make us members of the family of God. But there is no scripture that condemns God for anything, or saying God was wrong or that they are sinful in themselves. Christians often make a mess of their life by not making a difference in what God meant for eternal and what God meant for only indications of the real requirement, as such as circumcision is.

Every person I have heard or read their writings who say that when Christ fulfilled, it means that everything God said in the OT to explain Himself was done away with by Christ also exhibit their belief that our living must never reflect God's ways in any way, such as their also being mean or judgmental. The definition of fulfilled is not done away with, but that something is made full, complete.