the blowing of the shofar

[Kerry]

To the OP. Might as well blow on your big toe. It will do the same good. Can any one see that it is the cross and only the cross and nothing else. Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through me.

Now, I'm getting angry. No more man made altars. The brazen altar was designed by God. It was the same size as the Holy of Holies. Meaning that His grace was as big as His judgement. We keep trying to find other altars and in fact Gods altar was put aside and a man made one was put in its place. Yes the offered lambs on it and grain and bullocks. But, it was not God's altar that was before God. Why do we think that we can accept worldly ways and still be separate and peculiar people. You cannot change Gods altar nor His sacrifice nor mix it with the world.

It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and nothing else. Blow your horn and tickle Satans heart.;

 

[Apostol2013]

To the OP. Might as well blow on your big toe. It will do the same good. Can any one see that it is the cross and only the cross and nothing else. Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through me.

Now, I'm getting angry. No more man made altars. The brazen altar was designed by God. It was the same size as the Holy of Holies. Meaning that His grace was as big as His judgement. We keep trying to find other altars and in fact Gods altar was put aside and a man made one was put in its place. Yes the offered lambs on it and grain and bullocks. But, it was not God's altar that was before God. Why do we think that we can accept worldly ways and still be separate and peculiar people. You cannot change Gods altar nor His sacrifice nor mix it with the world.

It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and nothing else. Blow your horn and tickle Satans heart.;

Kerry you speak so brutishly a spiritual maturity you must develop gain wisdom that you be able to edify the body not cause desencions the shofar has nothing to do with doctrine but is a worship instrument only can you simply just say it that , I seen worse I seen booty popping in the churches people sex dancing called freaking God forgive me but that is more worse than a simple instrument

 

[weakness]

What a strange post coming from you. Many of Paul's letters include how insistent Paul was that it was what the rituals meant that was important, that he couldn't be bothered with them but must teach strictly by the gospel. And Paul only gave God principles. Any time I have presented any idea that now we are grown and know the gospel, we could use some of the rituals as aids to our imperfect selves to remember God principles in our every day life, and you have almost screamed that idea was only from demons. And here you are saying blowing shofar could have value.

Both you and I have pointed out that if rituals are used as an end in themselves they are wrong in God's eyes. And you have never been able to quietly consider any of this, now you post a ritual!

​This is a goats horn in the picture. I used to play a trumpet one upon a time.But dont have the wind for it any more.

 

[KohenMatt]

Adding ANYTHING that isn't covered in scripture to actual worship changes how worship is done. Adding to the worship experience things no longer commanded is no different than the Jewish proselytizers in Acts trying to add circumcision. It is sin believing our horn blowing promotes spiritual worship as if you can't worship without it. That is tradition dependency, the same problem Jesus had with the traditions of the elders. Just because it isn't written in a religious book somewhere doesn't make it any less damning a sin.

I would suggest researching this subject independently & not thru your church. I went to a church that started adding ram's horns, christian flag waving, & other charismatic practices. What I discovered is that the people do LESS of what matters most. Prayer, bible study, & humble worship were all replaced over time. This happens everywhere this stuff infiltrates. The end result is an exciting performance with no spiritual life in it. Me-worship at its finest.

Be careful Stephen. You just described Christmas and Easter to a "T". Are you as a adamant about coming against those 2 traditions as you are about a little horn blowing?

For that matter, if you're so against someone using a particular instrument in worship because it's not in the NT, how do you feel about pianos, pipe organs, electric guitars and basses?

 

[KohenMatt]

To the OP. Might as well blow on your big toe. It will do the same good. Can any one see that it is the cross and only the cross and nothing else. Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through me.

Now, I'm getting angry. No more man made altars. The brazen altar was designed by God. It was the same size as the Holy of Holies. Meaning that His grace was as big as His judgement. We keep trying to find other altars and in fact Gods altar was put aside and a man made one was put in its place. Yes the offered lambs on it and grain and bullocks. But, it was not God's altar that was before God. Why do we think that we can accept worldly ways and still be separate and peculiar people. You cannot change Gods altar nor His sacrifice nor mix it with the world.

It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and nothing else. Blow your horn and tickle Satans heart.;

I'm sorry. I must have missed the post where someone in this thread was equating shofar-blowing to salvation or even sanctification.

And here I thought we were talking about merely worshiping God through a particular instrument.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

First Video/First Minute : "God is saying ... Jim, you are like an Elijah ... and Michael is like an Elisha. You're his teacher." (say WHAT ?? )

SHOFAR CLASS - THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man) - SEGMENT 5 of 9 - YouTube

Second Video/First Few Seconds : "yaykattamyosa lahamotta sakatta la bita sone mya so mosa (or sumpin' like that ) Wait a second !! I just figgered it out. He was speaking a heavenly language !!! This must be for real ... and what God wants )

THE MINISTRY OF THE SHOFAR: By Jim Barbarossa (The Shofar Man): SEGMENT 6 of 9 - YouTube

***I wonder who his taxidermist is ?***

Erm... Is this real?

Surely this absolute nonsense can't be happening in this day and age?

 

[Stephen63]

I'm sorry. I must have missed the post where someone in this thread was equating shofar-blowing to salvation or even sanctification.

And here I thought we were talking about merely worshiping God through a particular instrument.

When the service is opened by the shofar blowing, is there a bunch of shouting, clapping, & praising? If it is, it's a false promotion to worship. True christians will worship openly with or without one. What it becomes is a psychological switch to get excited in the service. That's how it's used in the messianic worship. That in itself makes it dangerous because it inadvertantly teaches "this is the only was it's done/works" Loud worshipping can become habit-forming because people naturally like entertainment/excitement. Instead of worshipping God, they end up worshipping the service, or what's known as worshipping worship. Doing what it takes to get the most out of it.

In the OT, it was used to call the people together, just like the bugle call called the calvary together. Nothing more than that.

NEVER FORGET the the children of Israel shouted with a great shout at Ai, but didn't get the same results as at Jericho. They thought the shout worked for them once, so they did it again. The result was a miserable failure. They had already forgotten that it was really about obedience with a pure heart & replaced it with shouting. IMO, the modern church is doing the same thing.

 

[The_highwayman]

To the OP. Might as well blow on your big toe. It will do the same good. Can any one see that it is the cross and only the cross and nothing else. Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through me.

Now, I'm getting angry. No more man made altars. The brazen altar was designed by God. It was the same size as the Holy of Holies. Meaning that His grace was as big as His judgement. We keep trying to find other altars and in fact Gods altar was put aside and a man made one was put in its place. Yes the offered lambs on it and grain and bullocks. But, it was not God's altar that was before God. Why do we think that we can accept worldly ways and still be separate and peculiar people. You cannot change Gods altar nor His sacrifice nor mix it with the world.

It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and nothing else. Blow your horn and tickle Satans heart.;

still keeping Jesus on the cross and the Swaggerts employed are we kerry?

 

[unclefester]

Erm... Is this real?

Surely this absolute nonsense can't be happening in this day and age?

How I wish I could answer in the negative ... lol

 

[Stephen63]

Erm... Is this real?

Surely this absolute nonsense can't be happening in this day and age?

Oooooh yes.........that & then some!

 

[KohenMatt]

When the service is opened by the shofar blowing, is there a bunch of shouting, clapping, & praising? If it is, it's a false promotion to worship. True christians will worship openly with or without one. What it becomes is a psychological switch to get excited in the service. That's how it's used in the messianic worship. That in itself makes it dangerous because it inadvertantly teaches "this is the only was it's done/works" Loud worshipping can become habit-forming because people naturally like entertainment/excitement. Instead of worshipping God, they end up worshipping the service, or what's known as worshipping worship. Doing what it takes to get the most out of it.

In the OT, it was used to call the people together, just like the bugle call called the calvary together. Nothing more than that.

NEVER FORGET the the children of Israel shouted with a great shout at Ai, but didn't get the same results as at Jericho. They thought the shout worked for them once, so they did it again. The result was a miserable failure. They had already forgotten that it was really about obedience with a pure heart & replaced it with shouting. IMO, the modern church is doing the same thing.

No. Is it sometimes used in conjunction with "regular" worship? Yes.

And that "psychological switch" you mentioned can occur with ANY form of worship. Hymns, organs, electric guitars, flailing in the Spirit, speaking in tongues, silent prayer, etc. All of these types of worship can become habit-forming and ritualistic. It's not necessarily the type of worship itself that affects the sincerity of the worship, but more about the worshiper and their attitude.

Just be careful to not automatically discount shofars because you think they're a problem. There is no scriptural prohibition against it, in either testament. Any personal belief on the matter is solely preference and opinion.

And as an aside, I would still be interested in hearing your thoughts on how christmas and easter relate to this post you made. As I mentioned before, you just described Christmas and Easter to a "T". Are you as a adamant about coming against those 2 traditions as you are about a little horn blowing?

Adding ANYTHING that isn't covered in scripture to actual worship changes how worship is done. Adding to the worship experience things no longer commanded is no different than the Jewish proselytizers in Acts trying to add circumcision. It is sin believing our horn blowing promotes spiritual worship as if you can't worship without it. That is tradition dependency, the same problem Jesus had with the traditions of the elders. Just because it isn't written in a religious book somewhere doesn't make it any less damning a sin.

I would suggest researching this subject independently & not thru your church. I went to a church that started adding ram's horns, christian flag waving, & other charismatic practices. What I discovered is that the people do LESS of what matters most. Prayer, bible study, & humble worship were all replaced over time. This happens everywhere this stuff infiltrates. The end result is an exciting performance with no spiritual life in it. Me-worship at its finest.

 

[Stephen63]

Just be careful to not automatically discount shofars because you think they're a problem. There is no scriptural prohibition against it, in either testament. Any personal belief on the matter is solely preference and opinion.

And as an aside, I would still be interested in hearing your thoughts on how christmas and easter relate to this post you made. As I mentioned before, you just described Christmas and Easter to a "T". Are you as a adamant about coming against those 2 traditions as you are about a little horn blowing?

RED: There's no scriptural prohibition to dressing up like a Roman soldier, either, so does that make it ok?

BLUE: Not gonna answer that & derail the thread. You apparently didn't do any independent research, eh?

 

[KohenMatt]

RED: There's no scriptural prohibition to dressing up like a Roman soldier, either, so does that make it ok?

Despite the fact that this is a completely absurd and somewhat childish comparison, one is a completely scriptural form of worship and obedience to God, and the other isn't even mentioned in scripture.

BLUE: Not gonna answer that & derail the thread. You apparently didn't do any independent research, eh?

In that case then, "independent research" completely supports the idea that you saying this......

Adding ANYTHING that isn't covered in scripture to actual worship changes how worship is done. Adding to the worship experience things no longer commanded is no different than the Jewish proselytizers in Acts trying to add circumcision. It is sin believing our horn blowing promotes spiritual worship as if you can't worship without it. That is tradition dependency, the same problem Jesus had with the traditions of the elders. Just because it isn't written in a religious book somewhere doesn't make it any less damning a sin.

I would suggest researching this subject independently & not thru your church. I went to a church that started adding ram's horns, christian flag waving, & other charismatic practices. What I discovered is that the people do LESS of what matters most. Prayer, bible study, & humble worship were all replaced over time. This happens everywhere this stuff infiltrates. The end result is an exciting performance with no spiritual life in it. Me-worship at its finest.

would naturally include christmas, easter and electric guitars, as none of those are covered in Scripture.

 

[Stephen63]

Despite the fact that this is a completely absurd and somewhat childish comparison, one is a completely scriptural form of worship and obedience to God, and the other isn't even mentioned in scripture.

If you refuse to investigate for yourself, then no one can make you believe it. We're done here.

 

[Stephen63]

From Wikipedia:
The shofar is mentioned frequently in the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud and rabbinic literature. The blast of a shofar emanating from the thick cloud onMount Sinai made the Israelites tremble in awe (Exodus 19:16).
The shofar was used to announce holidays (Ps. lxxxi. 4), and the Jubilee year (Lev. 25:9). The first day of the seventh month (Tishri) is termed "a memorial of blowing" (Lev. 23:24), or "a day of blowing" (Num. 29:1), the shofar. They were for signifying the start of a war (Josh. 6:4; Judges 3:27; 7:16, 20; I Sam. 8:3). Later, it was also employed in processions (II Sam. 6:15; I Chron. 15:28), as musical accompaniment (Ps. 98:6; comp. ib. 47:5) and eventually it was inserted into the temple orchestra by David (Ps. 150:3). Note that the 'trumpets' described in Numbers 10 are a different instrument, described by the Hebrew word 'trumpet' (Hebrew: חצוצרה‎; ḥaṣoṣrah), not the word for shofar (Hebrew: שופר‎).
The Torah describes the first day of the seventh month (1st of Tishri = Rosh ha-Shanah) as a zikron teruˁah (Hebrew: זכרון תרועה‎; memorial of blowing; Lev. xxiii) and as a yom teruˁah (Hebrew: יום תרועה‎; day of blowing; Num. 29). This was interpreted by the Jewish sages as referring to the sounding of the shofar.
In the Temple in Jerusalem, the shofar was sometimes used together with the trumpet. On New Year's Day the principal ceremony was conducted with the shofar, which instrument was placed in the center with a trumpet on either side; it was the horn of a wild goat and straight in shape, being ornamented with gold at the mouthpiece. On fast days the principal ceremony was conducted with the trumpets in the center and with a shofar on either side. On those occasions the shofarot were rams' horns curved in shape and ornamented with silver at the mouthpieces. On Yom Kippur of thejubilee year the ceremony was performed with the shofar as on New Year's Day.
On Rosh Hashanah and other full holidays (Day of Atonement, Ingathering of the harvest (Sukkot), Passover and the Feast of Weeks – Pentecost) a single Priest perfected two sacrifices in honor of the full holiday, (Note that festivals such as Hanukah and Purim, are not considered full holidays requiring an extra sacrifice). On Rosh Hashanah, something special occurred during the special sacrifice. Arguably two Shofar Sounders played the long notes and one Trumpet player played the short note. Accordingly, Rosh HaShanah is called Yom Teruah (the day of the blast) Otherwise, the Trumpets had "top billing." Rosh Hashanah27a, supports this claim: "Said Raba or it may have been R. Joshua B. Levi: What is the scriptural warrant for this? – Because it is written, "With trumpets and the sound of the Shofar shout ye before the King in the Temple, we require trumpets and the sound of the Shofar; elsewhere not." [SUP][1][/SUP]
Indeed, on Yom Kippur, the Shofar was sounded to announce the Jubilee Year (every 50 years, Jews were granted forgiveness, debts were forgiven, indentured Israelites were granted freedom, and the fields "shall become owned by the priests." Shofar first indicated in Yovel (Jubilee Year - Lev. 25:8-13). Indeed, in Rosh Hashanah 33b, the sages ask why the Shofar sounded in Jubilee year. Further support[SUP][clarification needed support of what?][/SUP] is found in Rosh Hashanah 29a, where the Talmud talks of trumpets for sacrifices but Shofar in the Jubilee Year does not apply to priests who are exempt from the obligations of the jubilee. Perhaps,[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] we have the first mention of Shofar Sounding by non-Priests. Perhaps the first distancing away from the Sacrificial Cult.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Otherwise, for all other special days, the Shofar is sounded shorter and two special silver Trumpets announced the sacrifice. When the trumpets sound the signal, all the people who were within the sacrifice prostrate themselves, stretching out flat, face down and on the ground.
The shofar was blown in the times of Joshua to help him capture Jericho. As they surrounded the walls, the shofar was blown and the Jews were able to capture the city. The shofar was commonly taken out to war so the troops would know when a battle would begin. The person who would blow the shofar would call out to the troops from atop a hill. All of the troops were able to hear the call of the shofar from their position because of its distinct sound.

 

[KohenMatt]

From Wikipedia:
The shofar is mentioned frequently in the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud and rabbinic literature. The blast of a shofar emanating from the thick cloud onMount Sinai made the Israelites tremble in awe (Exodus 19:16).
The shofar was used to announce holidays (Ps. lxxxi. 4), and the Jubilee year (Lev. 25:9). The first day of the seventh month (Tishri) is termed "a memorial of blowing" (Lev. 23:24), or "a day of blowing" (Num. 29:1), the shofar. They were for signifying the start of a war (Josh. 6:4; Judges 3:27; 7:16, 20; I Sam. 8:3). Later, it was also employed in processions (II Sam. 6:15; I Chron. 15:28), as musical accompaniment (Ps. 98:6; comp. ib. 47:5) and eventually it was inserted into the temple orchestra by David (Ps. 150:3). Note that the 'trumpets' described in Numbers 10 are a different instrument, described by the Hebrew word 'trumpet' (Hebrew: חצוצרה‎; ḥaṣoṣrah), not the word for shofar (Hebrew: שופר‎).
The Torah describes the first day of the seventh month (1st of Tishri = Rosh ha-Shanah) as a zikron teruˁah (Hebrew: זכרון תרועה‎; memorial of blowing; Lev. xxiii) and as a yom teruˁah (Hebrew: יום תרועה‎; day of blowing; Num. 29). This was interpreted by the Jewish sages as referring to the sounding of the shofar.
In the Temple in Jerusalem, the shofar was sometimes used together with the trumpet. On New Year's Day the principal ceremony was conducted with the shofar, which instrument was placed in the center with a trumpet on either side; it was the horn of a wild goat and straight in shape, being ornamented with gold at the mouthpiece. On fast days the principal ceremony was conducted with the trumpets in the center and with a shofar on either side. On those occasions the shofarot were rams' horns curved in shape and ornamented with silver at the mouthpieces. On Yom Kippur of thejubilee year the ceremony was performed with the shofar as on New Year's Day.
On Rosh Hashanah and other full holidays (Day of Atonement, Ingathering of the harvest (Sukkot), Passover and the Feast of Weeks – Pentecost) a single Priest perfected two sacrifices in honor of the full holiday, (Note that festivals such as Hanukah and Purim, are not considered full holidays requiring an extra sacrifice). On Rosh Hashanah, something special occurred during the special sacrifice. Arguably two Shofar Sounders played the long notes and one Trumpet player played the short note. Accordingly, Rosh HaShanah is called Yom Teruah (the day of the blast) Otherwise, the Trumpets had "top billing." Rosh Hashanah27a, supports this claim: "Said Raba or it may have been R. Joshua B. Levi: What is the scriptural warrant for this? – Because it is written, "With trumpets and the sound of the Shofar shout ye before the King in the Temple, we require trumpets and the sound of the Shofar; elsewhere not." [SUP][1][/SUP]
Indeed, on Yom Kippur, the Shofar was sounded to announce the Jubilee Year (every 50 years, Jews were granted forgiveness, debts were forgiven, indentured Israelites were granted freedom, and the fields "shall become owned by the priests." Shofar first indicated in Yovel (Jubilee Year - Lev. 25:8-13). Indeed, in Rosh Hashanah 33b, the sages ask why the Shofar sounded in Jubilee year. Further support[SUP][clarification needed support of what?][/SUP] is found in Rosh Hashanah 29a, where the Talmud talks of trumpets for sacrifices but Shofar in the Jubilee Year does not apply to priests who are exempt from the obligations of the jubilee. Perhaps,[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] we have the first mention of Shofar Sounding by non-Priests. Perhaps the first distancing away from the Sacrificial Cult.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Otherwise, for all other special days, the Shofar is sounded shorter and two special silver Trumpets announced the sacrifice. When the trumpets sound the signal, all the people who were within the sacrifice prostrate themselves, stretching out flat, face down and on the ground.
The shofar was blown in the times of Joshua to help him capture Jericho. As they surrounded the walls, the shofar was blown and the Jews were able to capture the city. The shofar was commonly taken out to war so the troops would know when a battle would begin. The person who would blow the shofar would call out to the troops from atop a hill. All of the troops were able to hear the call of the shofar from their position because of its distinct sound.

In the words of Marlin (Finding Nemo): " It's like he's trying to speak to me, I know it. Look, you're really cute, but I can't understand what you're saying. Say the first thing again."

Since I have no idea what you're trying to communicate or imply with this statement in regards to our differing opinions, I suppose we are done here.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

a shofar is an ancient musical instrument...a member of a family of musical instruments that predates the israelites...in the final analysis that is all it is...nothing more and nothing less...

it would be perfectly fine to blow a shofar in church if you want to go really retro...as long as you aren't claiming that it is the way God's people are 'supposed to worship'...or believing that God is more pleased with your worship just because of your choice of instruments...

in some posts in this thread it is clear that a knee jerk reaction to anything that looks 'too jewish' is at work...but there is no reason to object to its use in worship as long as those who incorporate it into their worship do not use it superstitiously or work righteously...

i can see a shofar contributing to christian worship in that it could bring to mind the great commission...as a signal for God's people to march...and as a signal to proclaim liberty like in the year of jubilee...

i have never been to a worship service where a shofar was used...but in college one of the campus rabbis used to blow a shofar to get people's attention at events sponsored by his organization...it must have been easier than shouting over everyone

 

[JaumeJ]

Take great care in blowing that shofar, you may wind up with a new congregation! Try listening to shofar on YouTube, or just do a shofar sounds search. The latter will most likely give you the type of sounds for each type such as to war, alarm, to assembley etc.........

I recently bought a shofar ram horn polished black and learning how to play it any tips even scriptures will be nice

 

[TheAristocat]

I recently bought a shofar ram horn polished black and learning how to play it any tips even scriptures will be nice

I knew a lady who, every time on the Feast of Trumpets, would climb a hill on the edge of town and blow a shofar. To this day I don't know if she was a Messianic Jew or the follow of one of the cults in the HRM, but I do know there's nothing wrong with blowing a trumpet. I almost bought one, myself. Just don't have the money at the moment.

 

[TheAristocat]

it must have been easier than shouting over everyone

Not the way I blow it. I think I need a water key.