The Book Of Enoch

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
You are quoting Luke 3: 22; which is just another corruption of Holy Scriptures by the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22: which state that as Jesus rose from the Baptismal waters, and was filled with the spirit of God’s only begotten Son, which descended upon him in the form of a dove, the heavenly voice said; “Thou art my son, Today I have become your Father, or, TODAY I have begotten thee.


According to the ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22; In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.” The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”

But the truth doesn't seem to interest most people who call themselves christians does it? Only the erroneous interpretations of The Holy Scriptures by so-called christians, who have corrupted the words of the Lord.
You know what? I don't think I want to talk with you anymore. You're a snob. A know it all, and totally unpleasant.
 
Jun 28, 2017
147
1
0
You know what? I don't think I want to talk with you anymore. You're a snob. A know it all, and totally unpleasant.
Well it becomes obvious that I know a little more about the bible than you do. And if you don't want to listen to the truth, then that is your God given right. Bye, bye buddy.
 
Jun 28, 2017
147
1
0
I totally agree with you....Gabe is reaching past scripture now...

Gen 3.21-
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.

If God had made garments of skin for the kids or child he would have said so, because it really is THAT important, because of the type and shadow of the atonement the garments of skin represent...
The Kabbala describes four Adams of which the two highest are celestial and spiritual. It is also written that the whole universe was incomplete and did not receive its finishing stroke till man was formed, who is the acme of creation and the microcosm uniting in himself the totality of beings. The heavenly Adam who emanated from the highest primordial obscurity created the Earthly Adam
The third Adam, when first created had a glorious simulacrum, or light body, who became the fourth and terrestrial Adam, when he was cast out of paradise down to the earth where he was clothed with animal skin, flesh and nerves, etc. He has the animal power of reproduction and continuance of species. But in him is still some of the light of the preceding Adams.
It is that indwelling spark which will be the cause of the chosen and elect ones to be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into glorious bodies of incorruptible light.
 

J7

Banned
Apr 2, 2017
1,915
13
0
If there are 4 Adams, does that then constitute The Adams Family?
 

Zmouth

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2012
3,391
134
63
But I do agree there is a danger in trusting in the Book of Enoch, or any other Book, that is not in the Bible.

Well, everything written in the Bible isn't kosher either, or else there would be no reason for a second covenant to be sought. Why do you think Jesus said that it is written that man shall not live by bread alone, seeing that it is written that
he also says unto you, "Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven."

**********************************​
To those who will say that Jesus was talking to them in that time and not to you now, which to the latter I would say that I will just have take your word for that, but they were no more were living in the days of Moses than you are. So when you read that where it is written, "This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." do you still think he was just speaking to them?

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deut 8:3

So how can those who read the book of Enoch be in any more danger in trusting those things written in the book of Enoch than those who trust the Bible which they interpret to say the same things. Remember it is not what goes in a man that defiles him but does it really matter if the bread made from the seeds of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is leaven or not?

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Rev 2:17
 
J

jaybird88

Guest
It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.
and i guess Jude, the brother of Jesus Christ, trained by the living Jesus was just a silly stumblebum that didnt know any better quoting a false scripture. if only we had time machines so people like you could go back and correct these guys when they make mistakes.

Chapter 7 of the Book of Enoch:

"1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."

Mankind is still around. Noah & his family survived. The book of Enoch is fraudulent.
interesting that so many ancient cultures from around the world that never met each other tell this same "fraudulent" story.

So Jude referring to Enoch has nothing to do with referring to the Book of Enoch nor validating that there was a Book of Enoch. Some of the writings from the Book of Enoch was plagiarized from the N.T. and if you note the plagiarism in comparing it with the rest of the writing supposedly from Enoch... the writing style is not the same throughout that Book.
Enoch was among the DSS, please explain how they plagiarized the NT when its in fact hundreds of years older than the NT scriptures.
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
7,312
2,424
113
Do you think one can come to the TRUTH of SALVATION in CHRIST JESUS by reading (apart from the Canon of Scripture) the Book of Enoch?

No.

That's why it is not included in THE BIBLE...
Only those works that clearly speak of and point to CHRIST and SALVATION in HIM were included in THE CANON...
Salvation is a gift to us from God. It is not the entire scripture. When we are saved it is after we understand that God created us and we are His, we belong to Him. We give ourselves to him and follow Him. We don't decide how to follow, but we listen to His direction. You can't follow a leader and go your own way, we must listen to the instructions of how to follow. We can't go off on our own path for living regardless of what the person we are following says and still have salvation that includes following God.

So your reasoning against Enoch is not correct.
 
Jun 28, 2017
147
1
0
Salvation is a gift to us from God. It is not the entire scripture. When we are saved it is after we understand that God created us and we are His, we belong to Him. We give ourselves to him and follow Him. We don't decide how to follow, but we listen to His direction. You can't follow a leader and go your own way, we must listen to the instructions of how to follow. We can't go off on our own path for living regardless of what the person we are following says and still have salvation that includes following God.

So your reasoning against Enoch is not correct.
The only man in the Holy Scriptures, who is said to have been carried to God where he was anointed [CHRIST=The anointed one] and translated in order that he should never experience death, was the 365 year old righteous Enoch.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days---A calendar year=the one year old sacrificial Lamb of God.) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

The coming Elijah/Sandalphron, the Jewish Messiah, is not the twin of our heavenly Father Enoch/Metatron, but he is the duplication of our heavenly Father who gives his immortal body of glorious and brilliant light, in order that we might live.

According to one school of thought Enoch was taken by God and transformed into Metatron, The Zohar calls Metatron "the Youth", [the young JHWH] identifies him as the angel that led the people of Israel through the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt, and describes him as a heavenly priest.

Metatron is also mentioned in the
Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the HebrewBook of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "the lesser YHVH" resurfaces. According to Johann Eisenmenger, Metatron transmits the daily orders of God to the angels Gabriel and Sammael. Metatron is often identified as being the twin brother to Sandalphon, who is said to have been the prophet Elijah

Enoch the living one, of the previous world that was destroyed by water, was in the valley of Man, (The invisible dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world) for three days, or three periods of one thousand years, before he was reborn on earth in his chosen host body, the man “Jesus.”


1st Peter 1: 19-21;but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by Peter in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3: 5; or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire? And what was his name before he was reborn in this world?
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.

This portion in chapter 18 of the Book of Enoch....from this link below:

The Book of Enoch Online

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11

There are others offenses that runs contrary to the scripture since angels are not marrying nor given in marriage and so in no way would God join fallen angels in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The sons of God were the descendants of the godly lineage of Seth from which Israel's family tree sprung from.

You can't have the sons of God as angels when God will not join them. They cannot be fallen angels when scripture called them the sons of God.

So the sons of God were godly men that married outside the family line, thus setting an example as to why Israel was not to marry outside the nation of Israel to preserve themselves as the sons of God which they used to be before Christ had come.

Flesh cannot give birth to spirits; and yet that is the result of this fraudulent interbreeding between the celestial & the terrestrial.

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So that is how the Book of Enoch is running against scripture and why it is fraudulent. The author(s) plagiarized portions of the New Testament to give its crappy writing style some legitimacy, and so you should see the evidence there as well.

It may, or may not enlighten ya to realize, that when Enoch was around, "doing his thing", so to speak, there had not yet been Abram! Hence, NO "Abrahamic Covenant!"...Take into consideration, that this "Blessed concil (of men) of Nicea", were, or seems, have been through some "tribulations" of their own with the "author of confusion", to the point, that, they were of a mindset, that no other men, of and type, were any more smarter/wiser, (are less "drifted away"), then they were! And seeings, that there was no mention of the Abrahamic Covenant, as their was none at that time, there was no need in causing furthering the "confusion", that had already transpired up to this point!...Nor beyond, apparently! For, as is written...Noah, was yet, 7 generations to come!

My recommendation, is should one feel so compelled as to want to read the Book of Enoch, or the Book of Jasher, for that matter, Please DO!....If not?...then by all means?....Don't!....In the same vein?...If you don't read the Book of Enoch?....You have none say so, as to fancying yourself, as a priest of Jesus Christ! And ya wonder to the why there is so much discord among, and, still being sown among believer's? And people wonder....Why, I drink!.....:cool:
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
The Kabbala describes four Adams of which the two highest are celestial and spiritual. It is also written that the whole universe was incomplete and did not receive its finishing stroke till man was formed, who is the acme of creation and the microcosm uniting in himself the totality of beings. The heavenly Adam who emanated from the highest primordial obscurity created the Earthly Adam
The third Adam, when first created had a glorious simulacrum, or light body, who became the fourth and terrestrial Adam, when he was cast out of paradise down to the earth where he was clothed with animal skin, flesh and nerves, etc. He has the animal power of reproduction and continuance of species. But in him is still some of the light of the preceding Adams.
It is that indwelling spark which will be the cause of the chosen and elect ones to be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into glorious bodies of incorruptible light.
There aren't four Adam's. GOD created one man and out of one man, came one species of mankind

GOD didn't make a mistake in HIS WORK the first time around.

HE knew both the fall of Adam (mankind) and the victory in CHRIST (last Adam)

for flesh comes first and then SPIRIT

All Adams need to be born again of IMPERISHABLE SEED

And what was taken out of the one manmadam os being put back into the ONE BODY of CHRIST and is a NEW CREATION in THE LAST ADAM who has become for man a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

And all in CHRIST are ONE...IN ONE
 
Last edited:

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
It may, or may not enlighten ya to realize, that when Enoch was around, "doing his thing", so to speak, there had not yet been Abram! Hence, NO "Abrahamic Covenant!"...Take into consideration, that this "Blessed concil (of men) of Nicea", were, or seems, have been through some "tribulations" of their own with the "author of confusion", to the point, that, they were of a mindset, that no other men, of and type, were any more smarter/wiser, (are less "drifted away"), then they were! And seeings, that there was no mention of the Abrahamic Covenant, as their was none at that time, there was no need in causing furthering the "confusion", that had already transpired up to this point!...Nor beyond, apparently! For, as is written...Noah, was yet, 7 generations to come!

My recommendation, is should one feel so compelled as to want to read the Book of Enoch, or the Book of Jasher, for that matter, Please DO!....If not?...then by all means?....Don't!....In the same vein?...If you don't read the Book of Enoch?....You have none say so, as to fancying yourself, as a priest of Jesus Christ! And ya wonder to the why there is so much discord among, and, still being sown among believer's? And people wonder....Why, I drink!.....:cool:
We don't say so
HE does
HE calls whom HE calls and those who are in HIM are a priestly people before HIM

For what exactly is the work of a priest but to minister and restore those who are not yet reconciled to GOD
And how did any priest do that but to teach those who were ignorant the TRUTH of GOD
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
The only man in the Holy Scriptures, who is said to have been carried to God where he was anointed [CHRIST=The anointed one] and translated in order that he should never experience death, was the 365 year old righteous Enoch.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days---A calendar year=the one year old sacrificial Lamb of God.) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

The coming Elijah/Sandalphron, the Jewish Messiah, is not the twin of our heavenly Father Enoch/Metatron, but he is the duplication of our heavenly Father who gives his immortal body of glorious and brilliant light, in order that we might live.

According to one school of thought Enoch was taken by God and transformed into Metatron, The Zohar calls Metatron "the Youth", [the young JHWH] identifies him as the angel that led the people of Israel through the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt, and describes him as a heavenly priest.

Metatron is also mentioned in the
Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the HebrewBook of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "the lesser YHVH" resurfaces. According to Johann Eisenmenger, Metatron transmits the daily orders of God to the angels Gabriel and Sammael. Metatron is often identified as being the twin brother to Sandalphon, who is said to have been the prophet Elijah

Enoch the living one, of the previous world that was destroyed by water, was in the valley of Man, (The invisible dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world) for three days, or three periods of one thousand years, before he was reborn on earth in his chosen host body, the man “Jesus.”


1st Peter 1: 19-21;but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by Peter in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3: 5; or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire? And what was his name before he was reborn in this world?
Would you say Elijah was anointed first and then ascended to GOD?
would you say Elijah did not experience physical death?

Would you say the story of Elijah is symbolic of CHRIST

Would you say that all men must die once?
would you say that possibly. Since Enoch and Elijah both never experienced physical death that maybe they are the two witnesses of revelation?
 
Last edited:
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Because we/mankind/Adam/6th day creation needed a NEW HEART and s NEW SPIRIT (Jeremiah 31)

Ye must be born again ( John 3)
Flesh gives birth to flesh (John 3)

to those who believed HE gave the right to become THE SONS of GOD.
Even those who believe in HIS NAME Which were born not of blood nor of the will of flesh not of the will of man

BUT OF GOD ( John 1).
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
Because we/mankind/Adam/6th day creation needed a NEW HEART and s NEW SPIRIT (Jeremiah 31)

Ye must be born again ( John 3)
Flesh gives birth to flesh (John 3)

to those who believed HE gave the right to become THE SONS of GOD. Even those who believe in HIS NAME Which were born not of blood nor of the will of flesh not of the will of man

BUT OF GOD ( John 1).
Obviously.........
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
We don't say so
HE does
HE calls whom HE calls and those who are in HIM are a priestly people before HIM

For what exactly is the work of a priest but to minister and restore those who are not yet reconciled to GOD
And how did any priest do that but to teach those who were ignorant the TRUTH of GOD
I did put in a "disclaimer". Apparently, being "already a believer, and having been baptised into the New covenant", and felt compelled to "dig a little deeper", in seeking out "rhymes and reasons" as to what and why, things are as they they have become, which, in my mind, was rather "understood". Which is something apprently, "s-word" has done, as it seems, is striving in entering the sheep pen through some other means, then the sheep gate. He'll either abide by the correction, or be cut off, and burned. Although, he already sounds a mite "singey" to me....lol jk, s-word...you do as ya see fit....:cool:
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
The only man in the Holy Scriptures, who is said to have been carried to God where he was anointed [CHRIST=The anointed one] and translated in order that he should never experience death, was the 365 year old righteous Enoch.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days---A calendar year=the one year old sacrificial Lamb of God.) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

The coming Elijah/Sandalphron, the Jewish Messiah, is not the twin of our heavenly Father Enoch/Metatron, but he is the duplication of our heavenly Father who gives his immortal body of glorious and brilliant light, in order that we might live.

According to one school of thought Enoch was taken by God and transformed into Metatron, The Zohar calls Metatron "the Youth", [the young JHWH] identifies him as the angel that led the people of Israel through the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt, and describes him as a heavenly priest.

Metatron is also mentioned in the
Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the HebrewBook of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "the lesser YHVH" resurfaces. According to Johann Eisenmenger, Metatron transmits the daily orders of God to the angels Gabriel and Sammael. Metatron is often identified as being the twin brother to Sandalphon, who is said to have been the prophet Elijah

Enoch the living one, of the previous world that was destroyed by water, was in the valley of Man, (The invisible dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world) for three days, or three periods of one thousand years, before he was reborn on earth in his chosen host body, the man “Jesus.”


1st Peter 1: 19-21;but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but which world? The previous world that was destroyed by water, as spoken of by Peter in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3: 5; or this world which is destined to be destroyed by fire? And what was his name before he was reborn in this world?
Would you say that this is an addition to GOD's WORD?
Woukd you also say that there is only ONE TRUTH, ONE SPIRIT of TRUTH, ONE TESTIMONY of GOD

Or
Would you say there are many "truths" and "testimonies" that GOD will honor?
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
588
113
I did put in a "disclaimer". Apparently, being "already a believer, and having been baptised into the New covenant", and felt compelled to "dig a little deeper", in seeking out "rhymes and reasons" as to what and why, things are as they they have become, which, in my mind, was rather "understood". Which is something apprently, "s-word" has done, as it seems, is striving in entering the sheep pen through some other means, then the sheep gate. He'll either abide by the correction, or be cut off, and burned. Although, he already sounds a mite "singey" to me....lol jk, s-word...you do as ya see fit....:cool:
Well you're right about that
both john 10 and Matthew 22 attest to the TRUTH that all must enter in by way of THE DOOR and all need THAT GARMENT