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When Paul says, "Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”
It’s a metaphor… he’s not saying that the Church is the bride of Christ or that the Church is going to marry Christ. He even prepares the reader to bear with “a little folly.” This entire conclusion about the church being the “bride of Christ” comes from Paul’s allegories. There is no place in the scripture that explicitly states that “the church is the bride of Christ.”
When John the Baptist saw Christ he said he was the friend of the bridegroom not the bride of the bridegroom when he said, "He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.”
Christ is not going to marry His brethren.
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[SUP][SUP][SUP]Mt. 9:15 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
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[SUP]Mk. 2:19 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
[SUP]Luke 5:34 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
[SUP]John 2:29 [/SUP]He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[SUP][SUP]Mt. 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. [/SUP][/SUP]
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
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Rev. 18:23 [/SUP]And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Eph.5:23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[SUP]30[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
[SUP]Eph. 1:22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
[SUP]Eph. 2:11 [/SUP]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto Godin one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
The massage or sermon about the Bridegroom and them (Bride), that going to married Him, was so important to God that He put it in 3 of the 4 gospels. And in John the bridegroom is talked about too.[SUP]
Rev. 21:2 [/SUP]And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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Rev. 21:9 [/SUP]And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
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[SUP]Mk. 2:19 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
[SUP]Luke 5:34 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
[SUP]John 2:29 [/SUP]He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[SUP][SUP]Mt. 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. [/SUP][/SUP]
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
[SUP][SUP]
Rev. 18:23 [/SUP]And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Eph.5:23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[SUP]30[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
[SUP]Eph. 1:22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
[SUP]Eph. 2:11 [/SUP]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto Godin one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
The massage or sermon about the Bridegroom and them (Bride), that going to married Him, was so important to God that He put it in 3 of the 4 gospels. And in John the bridegroom is talked about too.[SUP]
Rev. 21:2 [/SUP]And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[SUP]
Rev. 21:9 [/SUP]And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
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Mt. 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
John 2:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Eph.5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The massage or sermon about the Bridegroom and them (Bride), that going to married Him, was so important to God that He put it in 3 of the 4 gospels. And in John the bridegroom is talked about too.
Rev. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev. 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev. 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Thanks…. I do appreciate your effort…. I went over those scriptures in the past many, many times and i went over them again but there’s not enough there to convince me that Christ is going to marry His brethren.
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The Erusin or Kiddushin (Betrothal or Engagement)
“This is a significant time before the actual marriage when the groom pays a price to show he is serious about the marriage, this is in the form of a wedding ring today. He also gives a speech of promise that he will come back and get her soon. The reason he then leaves for a while, sometimes a year or more, is because traditionally the groom would leave to his father’s house to prepare a place for him to return with the bride and live.” [1]
This first part was fulfilled by Christ upon His first coming as the suffering servant. He came and paid the price by dying for our sins to show that He was serious about His proposal for marriage to the bride, His church. Our wedding ring is the receiving of the Holy Spirit, who is our seal of promise. Ephesians 1:12-14 | Ephesians 4:30 Moreover, He also made a promise in John 14:1-3 regarding His plans to return and gather us to Himself.
“This is a significant time before the actual marriage when the groom pays a price to show he is serious about the marriage, this is in the form of a wedding ring today. He also gives a speech of promise that he will come back and get her soon. The reason he then leaves for a while, sometimes a year or more, is because traditionally the groom would leave to his father’s house to prepare a place for him to return with the bride and live.” [1]
This first part was fulfilled by Christ upon His first coming as the suffering servant. He came and paid the price by dying for our sins to show that He was serious about His proposal for marriage to the bride, His church. Our wedding ring is the receiving of the Holy Spirit, who is our seal of promise. Ephesians 1:12-14 | Ephesians 4:30 Moreover, He also made a promise in John 14:1-3 regarding His plans to return and gather us to Himself.
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Thank's Rockbysea
1. What if the only way Christ can be a head is to be a husband and the only way the church can be the body is to be a wife/bride. The only way a man can be a head is to be a husband and the only way a woman can be a body is to be a wife/bride. 2. Look at the marriage as being: oneness.
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John 8:30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]
John 17:9 [/SUP]I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
[SUP]John 17:21 [/SUP]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
[SUP]1 Cor. 6:15 [/SUP]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[SUP]1 Cor. 12:12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
1. What if the only way Christ can be a head is to be a husband and the only way the church can be the body is to be a wife/bride. The only way a man can be a head is to be a husband and the only way a woman can be a body is to be a wife/bride. 2. Look at the marriage as being: oneness.
[SUP]
John 8:30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]
John 17:9 [/SUP]I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
[SUP]John 17:21 [/SUP]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
[SUP]1 Cor. 6:15 [/SUP]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[SUP]1 Cor. 12:12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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Friends of the bridegroom... the guests at the wedding will not marry the bridegroom... those invited to the wedding are the guests... they are not invited to marry the bridegroom.
Is the wedding supper of the lamb a metaphor also? And if not who is Jesus to marry?
Thank's Rockbysea
1. What if the only way Christ can be a head is to be a husband and the only way the church can be the body is to be a wife/bride. The only way a man can be a head is to be a husband and the only way a woman can be a body is to be a wife/bride. 2. Look at the marriage as being: oneness.
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John 8:30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
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John 17:9 [/SUP]I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
[SUP]John 17:21 [/SUP]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
[SUP]1 Cor. 6:15 [/SUP]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[SUP]1 Cor. 12:12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
1. What if the only way Christ can be a head is to be a husband and the only way the church can be the body is to be a wife/bride. The only way a man can be a head is to be a husband and the only way a woman can be a body is to be a wife/bride. 2. Look at the marriage as being: oneness.
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John 8:30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]
John 17:9 [/SUP]I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
[SUP]John 17:21 [/SUP]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
[SUP]1 Cor. 6:15 [/SUP]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[SUP]1 Cor. 12:12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I think it takes less time to copy and paste scripture than it does to review each one in context and reply accordingly. Many here do this intentionally to wear down their opponents. I'm not saying you are one of them but people don’t need all that scripture to get their views across.
I'm of the opinion that the “church is the bride of Christ” doctrine is a man-made doctrine. Everyone who believes this has been taught this by men from all denominations from the earliest stages of their belief. I too was taught this by men and used to believe this.
In short: The bride does not get invited to her own wedding. The bride is not a guest at her own wedding. The bride is not a guest invited to her own wedding and shows up at the last minute just before the doors close. The sons of the bridechamber are the brethren (family) of the bridegroom who have responded to the invitation… they are not the bride. There are many explicit scriptures to show that Christ’s brethren are invited to the marriage supper as guest at the wedding while there are none that explicitly to show that Christ’s brethren will marry Christ.
I did not ask if you had your wedding dress ordered yet. I asked if you were invited. You say that the bride of Christ is strictly a metaphor.
Is the wedding supper of the lamb a metaphor also? And if not who is Jesus to marry?
Is the wedding supper of the lamb a metaphor also? And if not who is Jesus to marry?