THE COMMANDMENTS AND MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A SAVED CHILD OF GOD

[dcontroversal]

It seems that numerous people are consistently going back and forth over the (big 10), which is backbone of the (LAW)....

The arguments are...

1. People who believe saved by grace through faith will argue that they are not under the law....
2. People who teach works for salvation say that you have to keep the law to be saved....
3. You have those who teach you are saved by grace, but then kept saved by keeping the law...

I believe that we are saved....

1. By grace, through faith based upon
a. The Perfect faith of Jesus Christ
b. The completed work of Jesus Christ
c. The eternal appeasement of the Heavenly Father by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and offering for sin
d. The promises of eternal life by Jesus
e. Eternal security in Jesus Christ

I believe (water baptism) is...

1. The outward, public testimony of my inward, born again spirit of God
2. Testifies that I have died to the old man, buried with Christ and risen with Jesus
3. Is the first act of OBEDIENCE as a child of God
4. Does not add to salvation or save us, but is...
a. Identifier just as circumcision<---Abraham had faith before circumcision
b. Associates us publically with Jesus and disassociates us from the guilt of the world
c. Gives us a good conscience before God as OBEDIENT

Having said the above and concerning the start of this op.....

1. Being saved by faith through grace and mercy does not alleviate my responsibility to keep the commandments of God
2. It is still applicable not to steal, lie, commit murder or adultery etc. etc....
3. The N.T. is full of imperative commandments and points us to the O.T. continually...

The only difference is the simple fact which is...

1. When I slip up and sin I will not be found under the CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW as I am found under the blood of the SUPREME PASSOVER and HIS BLOOD...JESUS THE CHRIST! WHEN GOD SEES THE BLOOD...I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

 

[p_rehbein]

THE LAW: Condemns.............

GRACE: Saves.............

(no brainer...............as for me and my family, we choose GRACE.........)

 

[dcontroversal]

THE LAW: Condemns.............

GRACE: Saves.............

(no brainer...............as for me and my family, we choose GRACE.........)[/QUOTE]

No doubt and SO did God! For us that is....

 

[RedTent]

It seems that numerous people are consistently going back and forth over the (big 10), which is backbone of the (LAW)....

The arguments are...

1. People who believe saved by grace through faith will argue that they are not under the law....
2. People who teach works for salvation say that you have to keep the law to be saved....
3. You have those who teach you are saved by grace, but then kept saved by keeping the law...

I believe that we are saved....

1. By grace, through faith based upon
a. The Perfect faith of Jesus Christ
b. The completed work of Jesus Christ
c. The eternal appeasement of the Heavenly Father by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and offering for sin
d. The promises of eternal life by Jesus
e. Eternal security in Jesus Christ

I believe (water baptism) is...

1. The outward, public testimony of my inward, born again spirit of God
2. Testifies that I have died to the old man, buried with Christ and risen with Jesus
3. Is the first act of OBEDIENCE as a child of God
4. Does not add to salvation or save us, but is...
a. Identifier just as circumcision<---Abraham had faith before circumcision
b. Associates us publically with Jesus and disassociates us from the guilt of the world
c. Gives us a good conscience before God as OBEDIENT

Having said the above and concerning the start of this op.....

1. Being saved by faith through grace and mercy does not alleviate my responsibility to keep the commandments of God
2. It is still applicable not to steal, lie, commit murder or adultery etc. etc....
3. The N.T. is full of imperative commandments and points us to the O.T. continually...

The only difference is the simple fact which is...

1. When I slip up and sin I will not be found under the CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW as I am found under the blood of the SUPREME PASSOVER and HIS BLOOD...JESUS THE CHRIST! WHEN GOD SEES THE BLOOD...I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

I think this reflects scripture beautifully! I would like to add that there is one other argument, and that is that after we are saved by grace we try to obey law and listen to it because we love the Lord.

Also, we don't look to the NT and the OT as separate books about different Gods, but as one unified book about the same God. Scripture with the theme of God's plan for our salvation, an eternal plan that is told in our kind of time. Each chapter flows into the other chapters, all are needed to tell about it.

 

[dcontroversal]

I think this reflects scripture beautifully! I would like to add that there is one other argument, and that is that after we are saved by grace we try to obey law and listen to it because we love the Lord.

Also, we don't look to the NT and the OT as separate books about different Gods, but as one unified book about the same God. Scripture with the theme of God's plan for our salvation, an eternal plan that is told in our kind of time. Each chapter flows into the other chapters, all are needed to tell about it.

I agree totally with your post and I like to look at it as one book...Ta Biblia

 

[john832]

It seems that numerous people are consistently going back and forth over the (big 10), which is backbone of the (LAW)....

The arguments are...

1. People who believe saved by grace through faith will argue that they are not under the law....
2. People who teach works for salvation say that you have to keep the law to be saved....
3. You have those who teach you are saved by grace, but then kept saved by keeping the law...

I believe that we are saved....

1. By grace, through faith based upon
a. The Perfect faith of Jesus Christ
b. The completed work of Jesus Christ
c. The eternal appeasement of the Heavenly Father by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and offering for sin
d. The promises of eternal life by Jesus
e. Eternal security in Jesus Christ

I believe (water baptism) is...

1. The outward, public testimony of my inward, born again spirit of God
2. Testifies that I have died to the old man, buried with Christ and risen with Jesus
3. Is the first act of OBEDIENCE as a child of God
4. Does not add to salvation or save us, but is...
a. Identifier just as circumcision<---Abraham had faith before circumcision
b. Associates us publically with Jesus and disassociates us from the guilt of the world
c. Gives us a good conscience before God as OBEDIENT

Having said the above and concerning the start of this op.....

1. Being saved by faith through grace and mercy does not alleviate my responsibility to keep the commandments of God
2. It is still applicable not to steal, lie, commit murder or adultery etc. etc....
3. The N.T. is full of imperative commandments and points us to the O.T. continually...

The only difference is the simple fact which is...

1. When I slip up and sin I will not be found under the CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW as I am found under the blood of the SUPREME PASSOVER and HIS BLOOD...JESUS THE CHRIST! WHEN GOD SEES THE BLOOD...I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

EXACTLY! Being no longer under the Law (under the condemnation of the Law because we are forgiven) means when we sin, Christ intercedes for us and the Father forgives us.

The plain truth is that the subject is not Law OR Grace, it is Law AND Grace. Grace does not do away with the Law, it provides forgiveness, justification and reconciliation when we break the Law.

 

[John_S]

It seems that numerous people are consistently going back and forth over the (big 10), which is backbone of the (LAW)....

The arguments are...

1. People who believe saved by grace through faith will argue that they are not under the law....
2. People who teach works for salvation say that you have to keep the law to be saved....
3. You have those who teach you are saved by grace, but then kept saved by keeping the law...

I believe that we are saved....

1. By grace, through faith based upon
a. The Perfect faith of Jesus Christ
b. The completed work of Jesus Christ
c. The eternal appeasement of the Heavenly Father by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and offering for sin
d. The promises of eternal life by Jesus
e. Eternal security in Jesus Christ

I believe (water baptism) is...

1. The outward, public testimony of my inward, born again spirit of God
2. Testifies that I have died to the old man, buried with Christ and risen with Jesus
3. Is the first act of OBEDIENCE as a child of God
4. Does not add to salvation or save us, but is...
a. Identifier just as circumcision<---Abraham had faith before circumcision
b. Associates us publically with Jesus and disassociates us from the guilt of the world
c. Gives us a good conscience before God as OBEDIENT

Having said the above and concerning the start of this op.....

1. Being saved by faith through grace and mercy does not alleviate my responsibility to keep the commandments of God
2. It is still applicable not to steal, lie, commit murder or adultery etc. etc....
3. The N.T. is full of imperative commandments and points us to the O.T. continually...

The only difference is the simple fact which is...

1. When I slip up and sin I will not be found under the CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW as I am found under the blood of the SUPREME PASSOVER and HIS BLOOD...JESUS THE CHRIST! WHEN GOD SEES THE BLOOD...I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

NO ONE is "saved" until a person dies and God determines whether you are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
For a human being to determine that they are going to Heaven is blasphemous. You have placed yourself ABOVE God.

 

[SeaBass]

It seems that numerous people are consistently going back and forth over the (big 10), which is backbone of the (LAW)....

The arguments are...

1. People who believe saved by grace through faith will argue that they are not under the law....
2. People who teach works for salvation say that you have to keep the law to be saved....
3. You have those who teach you are saved by grace, but then kept saved by keeping the law...

Keeping the OT law (including the 10 commandments) cannot save anyone for that law was taken out of the way by Christ on His cross, Col 2:14 making that law inactive, of no effect. We today are under Christ's NT law, 1 Cor 9:21, and keeping that law is required to be saved. In order to become saved, Christ's NT law requires one to believe, Jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and submit to baptism, Mk 16:16. After becoming saved, Christ's NT law requires faithfulness, 1 Jn 1:7; Rev 2:10,26 and good works, Eph 2:10, Matt 25; 1 Jn 3:17 in order to maintain that saved position.

I believe that we are saved....

1. By grace, through faith based upon
a. The Perfect faith of Jesus Christ
b. The completed work of Jesus Christ
c. The eternal appeasement of the Heavenly Father by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and offering for sin
d. The promises of eternal life by Jesus
e. Eternal security in Jesus Christ

There are many contradicting, man made opinions as to how man is saved. Christ's NT law determines how one is saved:

In order to become saved, Christ's NT law requires one to believe, Jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and submit to baptism, Mk 16:16. After becoming saved, Christ's NT law requires faithfulness, 1 Jn 1:7; Rev 2:10,26 and good works, Eph 2:10, Matt 25; 1 Jn 3:17 in order to maintain that saved position for salvation is NOT an UNCONDITIONAL promise under Christ's NT law.

I believe (water baptism) is...

1. The outward, public testimony of my inward, born again spirit of God
2. Testifies that I have died to the old man, buried with Christ and risen with Jesus
3. Is the first act of OBEDIENCE as a child of God
4. Does not add to salvation or save us, but is...
a. Identifier just as circumcision<---Abraham had faith before circumcision
b. Associates us publically with Jesus and disassociates us from the guilt of the world
c. Gives us a good conscience before God as OBEDIENT

There are many contradicting, erroneous man-man views about water baptism. Again, Christ's NT law determines truth about water baptism:

It saves/remits sins, a command that must be obeyed, it's how one becomes a disciple, it's acceptance of the gospel, it's how one gets into Christ, how one is buried to rise to walk in newness of life: Mk 16:16; 1 Pet 3:21, Acts 2:38, Mt 28:19,20; Acts 2:41, Gal 3:27, Rom 6:3-6.

Having said the above and concerning the start of this op.....

1. Being saved by faith through grace and mercy does not alleviate my responsibility to keep the commandments of God

Obedient works, a faithful obedience which without makes salvation impossible.

2. It is still applicable not to steal, lie, commit murder or adultery etc. etc....
3. The N.T. is full of imperative commandments and points us to the O.T. continually...

Christ did away with the OT law Col 2:14 and replaced it with His NT law, Heb 10:9. Working to keep Christ's NT laws is imperative to being saved.

The only difference is the simple fact which is...

1. When I slip up and sin I will not be found under the CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW as I am found under the blood of the SUPREME PASSOVER and HIS BLOOD...JESUS THE CHRIST! WHEN GOD SEES THE BLOOD...I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

Christ's NT law requires the Christ to work in continuing to walk in the light so that Christ's blood continues to cleanse away all sin, 1 Jn 1:7.

 

[notuptome]

NO ONE is "saved" until a person dies and God determines whether you are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
For a human being to determine that they are going to Heaven is blasphemous. You have placed yourself ABOVE God.

Jesus said that we are condemned already. There is no doubt that man can do nothing to merit heaven. The weight of one sin outweighs all the good a man can do in his lifetime.

Scripture further states that these things, the things in the bible, are written that you may know that you have eternal life. If you do not know you do not have.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[John_S]

Jesus said that we are condemned already. There is no doubt that man can do nothing to merit heaven. The weight of one sin outweighs all the good a man can do in his lifetime.

Scripture further states that these things, the things in the bible, are written that you may know that you have eternal life. If you do not know you do not have.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You have eternal life if GOD decides that you have eternal life - NOT YOU or I.

 

[john832]

Jesus said that we are condemned already. There is no doubt that man can do nothing to merit heaven. The weight of one sin outweighs all the good a man can do in his lifetime.

This statement is meaningless. One can live 100 lifetimes of 100 years each fo perfect obedience and good works and NEVER earn eternal life, it is the gift of God.

Scripture further states that these things, the things in the bible, are written that you may know that you have eternal life. If you do not know you do not have.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Where does it actually say this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

NO ONE is "saved" until a person dies and God determines whether you are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
For a human being to determine that they are going to Heaven is blasphemous. You have placed yourself ABOVE God.

This would be a grave error.

Way to much scripture points to the fact we HAVE BEEN (past tense) Saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have eternal life if GOD decides that you have eternal life - NOT YOU or I.

Your right.

And when he tells us we HAVE IT. should we not trust him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This statement is meaningless. One can live 100 lifetimes of 100 years each fo perfect obedience

The above bolded statement is impossible. No one could ever do this, thus your question is inconsequential

and good works and NEVER earn eternal life, it is the gift of God.

Yes, it is the gift of God. So what is your point?

Where does it actually say this?

The epistles of john

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree totally with your post and I like to look at it as one book...Ta Biblia

so are we who are children of God still under a schoolmaster?

 

[crossnote]

If 'law keeping' is not a product of the work of the Holy Spirit and Gospel in our lives then it is done in the flesh and profits nothing.

Philippians 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[dcontroversal]

NO ONE is "saved" until a person dies and God determines whether you are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
For a human being to determine that they are going to Heaven is blasphemous. You have placed yourself ABOVE God.

John....I assume you are lost and have no ability to understand the word of God and an aorist tense verb which simply means...

1. Was saved when I believed in the past
2. Am saved right now
3. Will continue to be saved into the future from a past completed action with present continuing results...

You really should study the word of God before you start mouthing and making statements off the hip in ignorance concerning the biblical truth as found in my OP...Trust Jesus my friend and find IMMEDIATE ETERNAL SAVLATION!

 

[posthuman]

NO ONE is "saved" until a person dies and God determines whether you are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
For a human being to determine that they are going to Heaven is blasphemous. You have placed yourself ABOVE God.

what makes anyone worthy, mate?

nothing but the blood of Jesus.

now is that blood not already spilled? or we all got to take a shot at spilling more of it on That Day?

it's by grace, not works, lest anyone could boast, and that deed of grace is DONE.

 

[dcontroversal]

so are we who are children of God still under a schoolmaster?

Don't misunderstand my post.....no longer under the schoolmaster which points us to Christ and to Grace....point is...as a saved child of God it is still biblical for me to not kill you, cheat with your spouse, lie to you, have another god in my life etc.....

and without a doubt there are certain aspects found under the Law (system) that is no longer applicable unto us who are under the banner of Grace such as...

1. The Levitical sacrifices
2. The command to stone sinners found guilty of the laws that demanded death

etc...

I will also add that the force of the law is still in effect and over the heads of the lost as it condemns and judges a guilty verdict against all who will not be found under grace as well.

 

[dcontroversal]

Keeping the OT law (including the 10 commandments) cannot save anyone for that law was taken out of the way by Christ on His cross, Col 2:14 making that law inactive, of no effect. We today are under Christ's NT law, 1 Cor 9:21, and keeping that law is required to be saved. In order to become saved, Christ's NT law requires one to believe, Jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and submit to baptism, Mk 16:16. After becoming saved, Christ's NT law requires faithfulness, 1 Jn 1:7; Rev 2:10,26 and good works, Eph 2:10, Matt 25; 1 Jn 3:17 in order to maintain that saved position.




There are many contradicting, man made opinions as to how man is saved. Christ's NT law determines how one is saved:

In order to become saved, Christ's NT law requires one to believe, Jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Mt 10:32,33 and submit to baptism, Mk 16:16. After becoming saved, Christ's NT law requires faithfulness, 1 Jn 1:7; Rev 2:10,26 and good works, Eph 2:10, Matt 25; 1 Jn 3:17 in order to maintain that saved position for salvation is NOT an UNCONDITIONAL promise under Christ's NT law.



There are many contradicting, erroneous man-man views about water baptism. Again, Christ's NT law determines truth about water baptism:

It saves/remits sins, a command that must be obeyed, it's how one becomes a disciple, it's acceptance of the gospel, it's how one gets into Christ, how one is buried to rise to walk in newness of life: Mk 16:16; 1 Pet 3:21, Acts 2:38, Mt 28:19,20; Acts 2:41, Gal 3:27, Rom 6:3-6.


Obedient works, a faithful obedience which without makes salvation impossible.



Christ did away with the OT law Col 2:14 and replaced it with His NT law, Heb 10:9. Working to keep Christ's NT laws is imperative to being saved.




Christ's NT law requires the Christ to work in continuing to walk in the light so that Christ's blood continues to cleanse away all sin, 1 Jn 1:7.

Hey it is Mr. Twisty....look here dude...you and your buddies twist way too much scripture out of context to teach your heretical works and baptismal regeneration...go back to your own thread as I will not debate with people who are not open to the scriptures and people who will cast the biblical truth to the floor so as to teach something that the bible doesn't teach!