THE COMMANDMENTS AND MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A SAVED CHILD OF GOD
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I have always viewed them as synomyms......I get that point with baptism, but have a hard time distinguishing
between commandment which to me is law....
All through history we see the direct commands/commandments of Kings being written as law and even God gave His (big 10) as commandments, but were referred to as the law of Moses......
between commandment which to me is law....
All through history we see the direct commands/commandments of Kings being written as law and even God gave His (big 10) as commandments, but were referred to as the law of Moses......
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The word means instruction.
God gave us many instructions. Yes some found in the law are repeated. but thats not the point.
am I holy and obeying God because I do not commit murder, adultry, fornication, do not covet, dishonor my parents, take the name of the lord in vein, Do not make any carved images, and I keep the sabbath holy every saturday? This makes me holy? the pharisees did this, how well did it help them? is this what God wants us to focus on?
Maybe or maybe not....all I know is that.....
1. The righteousness of the law is applied unto all who believe and trust into Christ
2. I am not under the condemnation of the law when I sin as I am found under the blood
3. Jesus did point to the O.T. and quoted it unto the disciples
4. As a saved child of God I can now have the strength and grace which allows me to not kill, steal, lie, cheat etc...
5. The law is in effect and condemns all who are without Christ
6. The condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross
7. The N.T. is full of imperative commands
8. It is not wrong for me to Love God and My Neighbor as I should and is proven by the things I do or don't do unto them
So, what exactly are you saying mi amigo?
1. The righteousness of the law is applied unto all who believe and trust into Christ
2. I am not under the condemnation of the law when I sin as I am found under the blood
3. Jesus did point to the O.T. and quoted it unto the disciples
4. As a saved child of God I can now have the strength and grace which allows me to not kill, steal, lie, cheat etc...
5. The law is in effect and condemns all who are without Christ
6. The condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross
7. The N.T. is full of imperative commands
8. It is not wrong for me to Love God and My Neighbor as I should and is proven by the things I do or don't do unto them
So, what exactly are you saying mi amigo?
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I agree with everything you said here.
What I am saying is this.
The law was not given to show me how to live, it was given to show how condemned I am and my need for savior.
The law is unable to show me how to live, all it can do again is show me how poorly I do live, How sinfull I am and how totally undeserving I am (unless I focus on the law like lawyers here do, and think I am a good person, because I am unable to see my real sins. In other words, I make the law fit my life. Not Gods standard.
As you said, All of God indicatives and imperatives are found all over scripture. One does not need the law to see these, They are found before the law and after, The law was given for one purpose and one purpose only. To lead us to Christ. To try to go back to the law is to go back to judgment, and leave the grace of God
What I am saying is this.
The law was not given to show me how to live, it was given to show how condemned I am and my need for savior.
The law is unable to show me how to live, all it can do again is show me how poorly I do live, How sinfull I am and how totally undeserving I am (unless I focus on the law like lawyers here do, and think I am a good person, because I am unable to see my real sins. In other words, I make the law fit my life. Not Gods standard.
As you said, All of God indicatives and imperatives are found all over scripture. One does not need the law to see these, They are found before the law and after, The law was given for one purpose and one purpose only. To lead us to Christ. To try to go back to the law is to go back to judgment, and leave the grace of God
I don't have a problem with this description...the law shows the level of holiness and righteousness that God's Holiness and Righteousness demands, and we continually fall short...I get that!
It was given to show man that in our natural lost state we cannot meet God's expectations (completely)....and a good example of this is found in the rich young ruler....
He had (kept) all the commandments that is listed in the account and yet Jesus tells him clearly that he yet lacks one thing...go sell all you have, give to the poor and COME FOLLOW ME.
It was given to show man that in our natural lost state we cannot meet God's expectations (completely)....and a good example of this is found in the rich young ruler....
He had (kept) all the commandments that is listed in the account and yet Jesus tells him clearly that he yet lacks one thing...go sell all you have, give to the poor and COME FOLLOW ME.
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Interesting.
I look at it different than this.
He CLAIMED he has followed the law completely.
Jesus in his mercy tried to show him to rethink about he said. By showing him a sin he had (coveting, Fail to love God more than anything, Idol worship) By telling him to sell all he had,
He did not see his sin, and was saddened, and went away thinking he fulfilled Gods requirement, The law still had not done in him what it was supposed to do.
I look at it different than this.
He CLAIMED he has followed the law completely.
Jesus in his mercy tried to show him to rethink about he said. By showing him a sin he had (coveting, Fail to love God more than anything, Idol worship) By telling him to sell all he had,
He did not see his sin, and was saddened, and went away thinking he fulfilled Gods requirement, The law still had not done in him what it was supposed to do.
So, these Commands that God gave really weren't so great, huh?
Let me ask the reverse, Are you holy if you commit murder? Adultery? Fornication? Lust, dishonor your parents including your Heavenly Parent? Blaspheme God's holy name? Bow down to idols? Break the Sabbath? That make you holy does it? You and many others keep spouting how the Pharisees kept all these Laws scrupulously, yet we read...
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Christ said they did NOT.
Let me ask the reverse, Are you holy if you commit murder? Adultery? Fornication? Lust, dishonor your parents including your Heavenly Parent? Blaspheme God's holy name? Bow down to idols? Break the Sabbath? That make you holy does it? You and many others keep spouting how the Pharisees kept all these Laws scrupulously, yet we read...
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Christ said they did NOT.
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Who said that?
He gave them for a purpose. have you fulfilled their purpose?
of course the did not.
No one can. And no one ever will (except Christ of course)
But yet when it came to actually doing what the law says, No one did them better than the pharisees. Even Jesus admitted this (unless our righteousness exceeds theirs, we have no hope) of course our righteousness will never excede theirs. The were the best law keepers on earth (and still are)
He gave them for a purpose. have you fulfilled their purpose?
of course the did not.
No one can. And no one ever will (except Christ of course)
But yet when it came to actually doing what the law says, No one did them better than the pharisees. Even Jesus admitted this (unless our righteousness exceeds theirs, we have no hope) of course our righteousness will never excede theirs. The were the best law keepers on earth (and still are)
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How dare you! You got me to think and I had to look it up HA HA!!
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
(to me this is Jesus first hint to the guy. No one is good but God. he should have seen right here, he himself was not good. and needed a savior. but he did not. Jesus continues)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”[SUP][a][/SUP]
he did not name them all. Just the most popular ones.
if the guy was honest, He would say, yes I have obeyed them, But I have broken some of the others, what should I do about them?
but he was not. he was probably excited. Thinking, Good. I did all Jesus said, I am in!!
so he said..
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
notice a few things.
1. The selling all he had was for treasure in heaven, NOT eternal life.
2. Come follow me, was what he lacked.
he still did not get the first part. (there is no one good but God)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
(to me this is Jesus first hint to the guy. No one is good but God. he should have seen right here, he himself was not good. and needed a savior. but he did not. Jesus continues)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”[SUP][a][/SUP]
he did not name them all. Just the most popular ones.
if the guy was honest, He would say, yes I have obeyed them, But I have broken some of the others, what should I do about them?
but he was not. he was probably excited. Thinking, Good. I did all Jesus said, I am in!!
so he said..
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
notice a few things.
1. The selling all he had was for treasure in heaven, NOT eternal life.
2. Come follow me, was what he lacked.
he still did not get the first part. (there is no one good but God)
Hello there,
We are accepted in the Beloved
We are complete in Christ
We are sealed by His Holy Spirit of promise
We have received the righteousness of God in Christ (it has been reckoned to us)
We have been presented as holy and without blame before God the Father
We are not in the flesh that we should be considering what the flesh should or should not 'do' (All is done!)
We walk in the spirit and therefore do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (whether refined or course)
We live in the knowledge of our total acceptance in the Beloved and walk in newness of life as those who have died with Christ, been buried, quickened and raised with Christ, and live as those who have ascended with Him to God's right hand.
We are in the spirit, not in the flesh that we should consider it's calls and claims, whether in terms of sin or or righteousness. For the flesh cannot be improved and the spirit needs no improvement. Walking in the spirit, before the Father covers everything.
Rejoice and be exceeding glad, make those joys known, not worry about laws etc., which have no claim upon us.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
We are accepted in the Beloved
We are complete in Christ
We are sealed by His Holy Spirit of promise
We have received the righteousness of God in Christ (it has been reckoned to us)
We have been presented as holy and without blame before God the Father
We are not in the flesh that we should be considering what the flesh should or should not 'do' (All is done!)
We walk in the spirit and therefore do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (whether refined or course)
We live in the knowledge of our total acceptance in the Beloved and walk in newness of life as those who have died with Christ, been buried, quickened and raised with Christ, and live as those who have ascended with Him to God's right hand.
We are in the spirit, not in the flesh that we should consider it's calls and claims, whether in terms of sin or or righteousness. For the flesh cannot be improved and the spirit needs no improvement. Walking in the spirit, before the Father covers everything.
Rejoice and be exceeding glad, make those joys known, not worry about laws etc., which have no claim upon us.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
HAHAHA nah nah nah I made you look....HAHA.....
Matthew 19:20...ALL these things have I kept from my youth...
Still lacked one thing to be (complete) verse 21....Luke's version chapter 10 puts a little different view on it as well....
Reminds me of Paul...as a Pharisee he was beyond convict-ability (if you will) outwardly in the Law.....KEY WORD OUTWARDLY....Inwardly he Needed Jesus to be Complete as the keeping of the law by a (normal) man was impossible inwardly....
Matthew 19:20...ALL these things have I kept from my youth...
Still lacked one thing to be (complete) verse 21....Luke's version chapter 10 puts a little different view on it as well....
Reminds me of Paul...as a Pharisee he was beyond convict-ability (if you will) outwardly in the Law.....KEY WORD OUTWARDLY....Inwardly he Needed Jesus to be Complete as the keeping of the law by a (normal) man was impossible inwardly....