The dead in Christ are only asleep

kennethcadwell · Mar 28, 2015

That is right they do not have knowledge because they believe they can live however they want, future sins are automatically forgiven without repentance/confession being made for them, and believe their walk in the faith means nothing. Apostle Paul says they go hand and hand, as he shows in Romans 8, where he says there is no condemnation for those in Christ who walk in the Spirit and not by the flesh. Some want to leave the second part of that scripture off, and just say no condemnation in Christ.....

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

Stephen63 said:

There is both as InSpiritInTruth has clearly shown

Here one could show Physical

1 Cr 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once;
of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice,
Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Which would seem to indicate what he meant here (some alive) some asleep (in this manner)

1Cr 15:6... of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Which to me would be speaking of the likes of Stephen (stoned) or of James the brother of John (killed with the sword)

1Thes 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,
concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thes 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Whereas they which are alive and remain at his coming (in contrast) to them which are asleep are shown here

1 Thes 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep.

And of the majority who had seen the Lord (at the first) Paul says,

1Cr 15:6... of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

For example, Stephen in Acts 7:60 he fell asleep.

And then here (this way) in this context

1 Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

To me looks like it depends on who or what he is talking about, whether spiritually asleep or whether carnally asleep. Or rather whether carnally dead or spiritually dead. Some are spiritually dead and just have not awken to righteousness, or havent yet passed from death (spiritually speaking) unto life. But both are true in scripture.

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Kinda like the blind guides leading the blind eh?

Isaiah 29:10
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Isaiah 56:10
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

Luke 6:39
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

Reborn · Mar 28, 2015

DesiredHaven said:

3 types spoken of/used in the Bible?

Sleep/Asleep : Dead.
Asleep/Sleep : 8 hours of rest. (as we know sleep to be)
Sleep: Spiritually Asleep/Dead.

Each used in context to what is being spoken of? There is no set definition?
The definition of 'sleep' can and will always change, so in this case, it is up to the reader to understand each use?

JaumeJ · Mar 28, 2015

With the sound of the lasst trump, our Savior will return. First the dead in Jesus will be raised up out of their graves, and then those who are yet alive will be caught up with them to meet our blessed Lord on the cloud.

All through the Word death is equated with going to sleep with our fathers. This has not changed.

Reborn · Mar 28, 2015

I was just wondering overall, DH.

To clarify.
The word "sleep" (or any like it) just so happens to be one of those hard 'word' studies. For me.

We each see the word usage differently.

Jeff_56 · Mar 28, 2015

yahweh never leaves it up to the reader to understand his WORD.(not even the apostles of jesus
understood , even 'suffering' , until yahweh breathed on them/ opend their minds)

his WORD, just as like dreams, the meaning or interpretation there-of, the truth is with yahweh,

and he shows it to those he shows it to. (he never, never, never contradicts himself; so when

he shows the truth, when yahweh reveals anything and everything about life/salvation in yahshua,

it is completely in harmony with all of his WORD, orchestrated by him as he pleases (if there's ever a

real or apparent difference, it is for HIS GLORY and HE accomplishes).

Reborn said:

ChristInUs · Mar 28, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

yahweh never leaves it up to the reader to understand his WORD.(not even the apostles of jesus
understood , even 'suffering' , until yahweh breathed on them/ opend their minds)

his WORD, just as like dreams, the meaning or interpretation there-of, the truth is with yahweh,

and he shows it to those he shows it to. (he never, never, never contradicts himself; so when

he shows the truth, when yahweh reveals anything and everything about life/salvation in yahshua,

it is completely in harmony with all of his WORD, orchestrated by him as he pleases (if there's ever a

real or apparent difference, it is for HIS GLORY and HE accomplishes).

then I guess we should just dream and throw away the bible?

JaumeJ · Mar 28, 2015

When Jesus was given the news of the death of Lazarus, He informed the apostles that Lazarus was asleep. One replied there should be no need to go to him. Then Jesus said, Lazarus is dead.

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

Reborn said:

Sometimes the context does help and makes it plain, for example here....

1 Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

So there is a dead person walking, and we know she is not dead carnally so but spiritually so.

If she was dead carnally so her body should be in a box 6 feet under (or at the morgue) being prepared for burial

The dead (spiritually) can bury the dead (physically)

Reborn · Mar 28, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Speaking of.......It's time for some rest, Jeff.
You should take some time from CC, brother?

It's hard to understand your posts, AND you missed the point of my post.

Apparently you are on some sort of upset at all streak?
Come back when you get some sleep, (as in 8 hrs of rest as we know it).... man.

ChristInUs · Mar 28, 2015

No soul sleep. In the OT when one passed if their faith was in the cross they went to Paradise which was held captive by Satan. He could not harm them nor mistreat them. But when Christ paid the price they were set free. The Earth quaked and the veil was split and the dead walked among them. I have come to take captive the captivity and preach the gospel to the poor.

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

Reborn said:

Circumcision whether in the spirit or in the flesh is the same word, no?

I didnt really check I am assuming it would really be how that word is used (moreso then the defintion itself).

Same with death, can be carnal or can be spiritual would depend on how it was being used.

The dead can bury the dead (which is which?) lol Makes sense the spiritually dead (which can walk around in that state) can bury the physically dead (which cannot in their state).

ChristInUs · Mar 28, 2015

yikes and yikes

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 28, 2015

DesiredHaven said:

And which is the greater, life to the body of flesh, or to the soul by the Spirit? (I know you know)

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

The later definately.

Jeff_56 · Mar 28, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Reborn said:

rebee.... for now, do not call me brother. not until you experience rebirth anyway.yahweh willing.

JaumeJ · Mar 28, 2015

Just three of the many examples in the NT using sleep as an euphemism for death. The OT will fill this page with the usage of the same.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

Luke 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

And there are people shown as graves as well

Reborn · Mar 28, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

I was asking DH a question about "sleep" in line with ISIT's post.

I've brushed off about 5 of your smug posts to me,...so I will ask politely for you to please back UP off me, man.

I agree with your "brother" comment...trust me.
Get some rest.

Sorry ISIT, that will be the last time I will acknowledge that dude.....ever.

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