The Deity of Jesus Christ

[RightKnowledge]

Well, I'm not Jewish, only they go by this ''Yashua'' I'm a Christian, we simply go by Jesus Christ. The Jews don't even type out God, they put G-d or something like that...which I don't understand. The thing is, when people pass from the physical life, they don't just die out and nothing is left. Their spirit and soul goes on. Jesus refers to them as ''sleeping'' as they shall be raised up again one day. I'm sorry I can't answer your question about ''Yashua'' because I do not know or understand that belief, I'm not Jewish, I never have been Jewish, and doubt I ever will be. However, the Bible does say that the Jews are God's chosen people, that some day they shall come back to Him and everything. I take it you aren't a Christian, based on how you refer to us...that's okay though...I don't mind. Maybe you'll learn something, and God will speak to you, and you'll find your way to Him . At any rate, welcome to the site, and God bless you.

Thankyou For Your Welcome . But Side Steping The Truth Doesn't Change The Facts That Yashu'a Never Claim To Be A The Father Nor Did He Ever Claim To Be A Christian Paul Is The Father Of Christianity Acts 11 ; 26 . As Far As The Word Jew It's No Such Thing . I Take It You Have Never Really Read / Study / Research Your Own Faith . Meaning Jesus Is A Greek Name -


With A Little Research , You Will Find That The Names '' Zeus '' <Geek > And '' Jesus '' < Greek >Are Linked By The Same Root According To The Larousee Encyclopedia Of Mythology The Greek '' God '' Dionysus Is Etymologically '' Zeus '' God '' Or Gad '' Was The Seventh Son Of Jacob '' God '' Also Stands For Gomer Which Is Wisdom , Oz - Which Is Beauty And Dabar - Which Is Strength Dionysis Is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also Known As


Bacchus , HowEver , The Final Syllable Of Dionysus Or Zeues Is Identical To The Ending Of '' Jesus '' This Break Down Proves That The Reason For Selecting The Suffix , - Sus , For The Word '' Jesus '' Was Because Of Dionysus Or Zeus Who Was Known As The Greek Savior , When The Bible Was Translated Into The English Language . Zeus Is Jesus < Just Take A LQQk For YourSelf !!! >


When You Combine Then Modern Form Of The Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y ''( ' ) Which Is Pronounced '' Yod '' To Get The Latin '' J '' ( l ) And Then Add It To The Word Zeus - You Get - Ja - Zeus , Which Is Short For Yashua ( Jesus ) And From Zeus You Got The Word Souse And Then . It Became A Dity From Which Comes Deus In Portuguese , Dieu In French , Dio , In Italian , Dios , In Spanish , Dia In Scotch And Irish , And Duw In Welsh .


EveryDay New Names Are Being Added . When You Research Further On The Meaning Of The Suffix - sus , You Find That , According To The Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - sus Is From The French , Latin Meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow . The Scientific Classification For The Pig Is Sus Scrofa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) Is The Name Of A Certain Type Or Combination Of Pork That Is Pickled . Souse Is Also A Nickname ForThe South , As In '' Souse Carolina. '' Some May Call This Is


Blasphemy , But Truth Is Truth , And Fact AreFacts . And Right Now , The Facts Are Saying That .

 

[Nuhen]

Don't you understand that the Sh'ma teaches God is echad? If God is echad and we have Scriptural evidence to prove echad is more than ONE PERSON the deity of the Messiah is valid?

You have no Scriptural evidence that "echad" is more than one, because that goes against the very definition of the word

Berei**** 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

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A married man and woman are ECHAD?

Yes, a man and a woman who are married become one (echad) flesh...they beget a child. That is what the verse is referring to - the child of the marriage, which is ONE child.

Yeshayahu 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

Revelation 1
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Yeshua IS the Alpha and Omega, just as G-d is, because Yeshua is the Word of G-d that has been around as long as G-d...but this does not mean he IS G-d.

I can show you all day that the belief or the foundation for the trinity is valid throughout the ancient Hebrew Scripture without even touching the New Testament.

And I can show you ten verses for every one you post from the Hebrew Scriptures that shows the trinity is a false doctrine

 

[Definition_Christ]

Is it not possible that He was reinforcing the idea that He is One as a warning against doctrines such as the trinity?

The Hebrew word used when He says He is One is "echad", which means a singular one. Not one bunch like grapes, or one herd, but ONE.

In the same way a man and a woman are ONE(echad) after becoming married.

The Father and Jesus are ONE (Echad) God alone.

Haven't you ever heard there are 30 days in a month and a month is echad?

Or even when they built the tabernacle they would piece everything together to make it ehcad?

Echad just means united together as one.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yes and agrees perfectly with the plural noun elohim.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Yes, a man and a woman who are married become one (echad) flesh...they beget a child. That is what the verse is referring to - the child of the marriage, which is ONE child.

Um no it's not. I've actually never heard that before and I've seen Rabbis accept that as the interpretation of that verse so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

Yeshua IS the Alpha and Omega, just as G-d is, because Yeshua is the Word of G-d that has been around as long as G-d...but this does not mean he IS G-d

That isn't saying "the Alpha and Omega" which by the way is the Greek alphabet first letter, last letter which means "First and the Last". Jesus is claiming to be the Almighty here via Isaiah 44:6.

 

[Nuhen]

In the same way a man and a woman are ONE(echad) after becoming married.

The Father and Jesus are ONE (Echad) God alone.

Haven't you ever heard there are 30 days in a month and a month is echad?

Or even when they built the tabernacle they would piece everything together to make it ehcad?

Echad just means united together as one.

No, echad is the number one Ask any honest Hebrew scholar, they will tell you the same thing. Echad has nothing to do with unity.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Of course elohim could be one of the plural words that have singular meaning.

 

[Nuhen]

Um no it's not. I've actually never heard that before and I've seen Rabbis accept that as the interpretation of that verse so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

How do you know it's not saying that?

That isn't saying "the Alpha and Omega" which by the way is the Greek alphabet first letter, last letter which means "First and the Last". Jesus is claiming to be the Almighty here via Isaiah 44:6.

"Alpha" means first and "omega" means last. Yeshua is claiming to be the first and the last, as He was the first Word spoken at the Beginning, and will be the last Word spoken at the End.

 

[Nuhen]

Of course elohim could be one of the plural words that have singular meaning.

The problem with using elohim in reference to G-d is that man is also called elohim in Scripture. "Elohim" is not a word of divinity, it is a word of law, as "elohim" means "judges".

 

[joint-heir]

How can Yeshua be G-d when he sits at the right hand of G-d? Does he have MPD? Serious question.

IF YOU NOTICE
JUST
AS JESUS NEVER SAID HE WAS THE FATHER OR GOD ALTHOUGH HE CLAIMED
WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER
AND
WHEN YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME
AND HE SAID TO PHILIP WHO ASKED HIM TO SHOW THEM THE FATHER
JESUS REPLIED
HAVE I BEEN WITH YOU SOO LONG, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME?
HE ALSO
NEVER SAID
WHEN HE GOES BACK TO HEAVEN HE WOULD BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
WHAT JESUS DID SAY WAS...HE WOULD SIT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER
MATTHEW 26:64 AND MARK 14:62

JESUS IS GOD

 

[Nuhen]

IF YOU NOTICE
JUST
AS JESUS NEVER SAID HE WAS THE FATHER OR GOD ALTHOUGH HE CLAIMED
WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER
AND
WHEN YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME
AND HE SAID TO PHILIP WHO ASKED HIM TO SHOW THEM THE FATHER
JESUS REPLIED
HAVE I BEEN WITH YOU SOO LONG, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME?
HE ALSO
NEVER SAID
WHEN HE GOES BACK TO HEAVEN HE WOULD BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
WHAT JESUS DID SAY WAS...HE WOULD SIT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER
MATTHEW 26:64 AND MARK 14:62

JESUS IS GOD

Yeshua was providing an example for us to live by. He was not saying he WAS the Father, he was saying he was a reflection of the Father as His perfect Son who will do the will of G-d.

Can Yeshua really be G-d, when he had a will DIFFERENT from G-d's in the Garden? After all, Yeshua asked G-d to change His Mind and take the cup from Yeshua.

 

[Definition_Christ]

No, echad is the number one Ask any honest Hebrew scholar, they will tell you the same thing. Echad has nothing to do with unity.

No actually, Yachid is "one" in a singular sense. And you still can't refute Scriptures that prove Echad means "one" in it's plural sense. Since you refute Genesis 2:24 , check this out - the building of the tabernacle.


Shemot 26
1 &#8220;Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine woven linen and blue, purple, and scarlet thread; with artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them.
2 The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits. And every one of the curtains shall have the same measurements.
3 Five curtains shall be coupled to one another, and the other five curtains shall be coupled to one another.
4 And you shall make loops of blue yarn on the edge of the curtain on the selvedge of one set, and likewise you shall do on the outer edge of the other curtain of the second set.
5 Fifty loops you shall make in the one curtain, and fifty loops you shall make on the edge of the curtain that is on the end of the second set, that the loops may be clasped to one another.
6 And you shall make fifty clasps of gold, and couple the curtains together with the clasps, so that it may be one tabernacle.

ECHAD MISHKAN

ONE TABERNACLE?

Everything united together makes one tabernacle.

The Father, the Son make united (echad) God?

"Alpha" means first and "omega" means last. Yeshua is claiming to be the first and the last, as He was the first Word spoken at the Beginning, and will be the last Word spoken at the End.

Um no, He was claiming His deity - Isaiah 44:6.
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[Nuhen]

No actually, Yachid is "one" in a singular sense. And you still can't refute Scriptures that prove Echad means "one" in it's plural sense. Since you refute Genesis 2:24 , check this out - the building of the tabernacle.


Shemot 26
1 “Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine woven linen and blue, purple, and scarlet thread; with artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them.
2 The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits. And every one of the curtains shall have the same measurements.
3 Five curtains shall be coupled to one another, and the other five curtains shall be coupled to one another.
4 And you shall make loops of blue yarn on the edge of the curtain on the selvedge of one set, and likewise you shall do on the outer edge of the other curtain of the second set.
5 Fifty loops you shall make in the one curtain, and fifty loops you shall make on the edge of the curtain that is on the end of the second set, that the loops may be clasped to one another.
6 And you shall make fifty clasps of gold, and couple the curtains together with the clasps, so that it may be one tabernacle.

ECHAD MISHKAN

ONE TABERNACLE?

Everything united together makes one tabernacle.

The Father, the Son make united (echad) God?

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You have your words mixed up. "Echad" is one in a singular sense, "yachid" is one in a united sense.

 

[Definition_Christ]

You have your words mixed up. "Echad" is one in a singular sense, "yachid" is one in a united sense.

Okay except I have Scriptural proof that shows Echad means one in a plural/united sense?

 

[Nuhen]

Um no, He was claiming His deity - Isaiah 44:6.

That actually proves that Yeshua is not G-d. What we have here is G-d "the Father" (since you must divide them) saying that He is also the first and the last, but a different first and last than Yeshua. He ALSO says that BESIDES HIM, THERE IS NO G-D.

That includes Yeshua.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

"Yashua" is a bit incorrect, it's actually "Yeshua", and is the true name of Jesus. He was a Jew, after all, and had a Hebrew name

Not that calling him Jesus Christ is bad either, certainly not. It's the same name. Just saying, Yeshua is just the Hebrew name for Jesus I use it, personally, because it holds more meaning for me - "Jesus" is just a Greek name, just a translation with no meaning. "Yeshua", on the other hand, is the same as the Hebrew word for "salvation", "yeshu'ah". That is what Yeshua is, no?

As to why we write G-d's Name the way we do, it is so as not to take His Name over lightly. In fact, there's even a Scripture about not writing G-d's name on something that can be thrown away/deleted.

Iasous is Greek for Jesus . Jesus is English for Jesus.
Regarding polytheism, the trinity comes from our belief in monotheism. If we were polytheistic, we would reject our Jewish theological roots. The other choices are Modalism (see joint-heir) or to reject the diety of Christ (see Right Knowledge). By the way, the difference in Yeshuah vs. Yashuah may be the difference between one son of Abraham and another.
I am curious how you know Hebrew from the time you were a child, but you are just now in the process of becoming a Jew?

 

[Nuhen]

Okay except I have Scriptural proof that shows Echad means one in a plural/united sense?

You do not You have faultily translated English verses.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The problem with using elohim in reference to G-d is that man is also called elohim in Scripture. "Elohim" is not a word of divinity, it is a word of law, as "elohim" means "judges".

That's true but in the context of Genesis which is creation.. it obviously is not referring to man but Divinity.

 

[Definition_Christ]

That actually proves that Yeshua is not G-d. What we have here is G-d "the Father" (since you must divide them) saying that He is also the first and the last, but a different first and last than Yeshua. He ALSO says that BESIDES HIM, THERE IS NO G-D.

That includes Yeshua.

Yeshayahu 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

LORD - YHVH

“ Thus says YHVH, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, YHVH of hosts:
‘ I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.


Why are there two persons as YHVH speaking here?

 

[Definition_Christ]

You do not You have faultily translated English verses.

Okay do you want them in Hebrew and would you like me to transliterate them for you?