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No offense, but you practically already do 
Unless by not rejecting those roots you mean acknowledging they exist.
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It's a muddy story regarding a sad fact I learned about my parents only just today.
Unless by not rejecting those roots you mean acknowledging they exist.[/size]
It's a muddy story regarding a sad fact I learned about my parents only just today.
No. the Messiah turned out to be something that you could not accept. So, you just learned that you are Jewish, but you learned Hebrew as a child?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean with the first part.
In actuality, I grew up thinking my parents were Jews because they always sent me to the local Rabbi, who taught me and mentored me and became my best friend. Then my parents converted to Christianity when I was 9, and it confused me. No Jew I had ever met accepted Yeshua as the messiah, only as a good Rabbi and prophet. Then they acted with hostility every time I brought up living Jewish, which just furthered my confusion. But today I found out that they were never Jewish to begin with, just secular agnostics who found G-d through Christianity, and they shoved me off on the Rabbi because they wanted me to grow up stiff-necked and moral. They got the moral part right, but I'm not stiff-necked
In actuality, I grew up thinking my parents were Jews because they always sent me to the local Rabbi, who taught me and mentored me and became my best friend. Then my parents converted to Christianity when I was 9, and it confused me. No Jew I had ever met accepted Yeshua as the messiah, only as a good Rabbi and prophet. Then they acted with hostility every time I brought up living Jewish, which just furthered my confusion. But today I found out that they were never Jewish to begin with, just secular agnostics who found G-d through Christianity, and they shoved me off on the Rabbi because they wanted me to grow up stiff-necked and moral. They got the moral part right, but I'm not stiff-necked
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I do not believe they misunderstood him and I do not believe it was an unfortunate choice of words. If you knew Greek you would understand how far he had to go grammatically to get that expression. So, if we believe that this was a direct referance to God's words to Moses, we are left with three choices: reject Jesus, espouse modalism, or embrace the Trinity.
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Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
HaShem is speaking this, Jesus is also HaShem the Most High because HaShem is echad.
John 19
34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”
37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”
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and..
Just curious, do you pray to Yeshua, honor Him and worship Him like Thomas did, (who by the way was a monotheistic Jew who quoted the Sh'ma everyday) ?
Do you bow down before Jesus as Lord? Worship Him as Lord and give Him glory and Honor?
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
HaShem is speaking this, Jesus is also HaShem the Most High because HaShem is echad.
John 19
34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”
37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”
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and..
Just curious, do you pray to Yeshua, honor Him and worship Him like Thomas did, (who by the way was a monotheistic Jew who quoted the Sh'ma everyday) ?
Do you bow down before Jesus as Lord? Worship Him as Lord and give Him glory and Honor?
Well, I'm not Jewish, only they go by this ''Yashua'' I'm a Christian, we simply go by Jesus Christ. The Jews don't even type out God, they put G-d or something like that...which I don't understand. The thing is, when people pass from the physical life, they don't just die out and nothing is left. Their spirit and soul goes on. Jesus refers to them as ''sleeping'' as they shall be raised up again one day. I'm sorry I can't answer your question about ''Yashua'' because I do not know or understand that belief, I'm not Jewish, I never have been Jewish, and doubt I ever will be. However, the Bible does say that the Jews are God's chosen people, that some day they shall come back to Him and everything. I take it you aren't a Christian, based on how you refer to us...that's okay though...I don't mind. Maybe you'll learn something, and God will speak to you, and you'll find your way to Him . At any rate, welcome to the site, and God bless you.
. At any rate, welcome to the site, and God bless you.
According to some Christians Jesus was both God and Man , Now that he is alive again forever he is God . Jesus is not alive and The Father Is God Not The Son . According to Christian die On the cross . By saying that he is '' Alive Again '' Meanins that God Died Before ????!!! That make absolutely No Sense . Some Christians stated now that he is Alive Again Forever He Is God . So What Some Christians are saying is That God Died And Came Back To Life . ( And At Some Point He Stopped Being God . God Is All Existing , And Made It Possible For All Things To Exist , If He '' Dies '' What Do You Think Would Happen To The Rest Of Us . Exactly , We Would All Cease To Exist As Well Because We Are All Apart Of The Heavenly Father ) .
Also , If Jesus is God then who was he praying to in Matthew 6 ; 9 - 13 , He says , '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' , So he's not God or otherwise he would've been praying To Himself . Let me point out to you that Jesus was an Israelite . It is common sense that Jesus would not violate such a powerful Israelite Judaic Command as the worship of God alone ( Exodus 20 ; 3 - 4 ) by claiming to be that very God whom he prayer to in Matthew 26 ; 39 .
Matthew 26 ; 39 , And I Quote ; And He Went A Little Father , And Fell On His Face , And Prayed , Saying , O My Father ....
Think about it . It doesn't make much sens for Jesus To Pray To Himself . If Jesus was God . ( He Wouldn't Have No Need To Pray Because If Did To Whom , Whould He Pray ? )
In several quotes in The New Testament Jesus made it clear that you are to Worship God And Not Him . When he made reference to God , He used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular '' Me '' In Luke 4 ; 8 ,
Luke 4 ; 8 , And I Quote ; And , Jesus Answered And Said Unto Him , Get Thee Behind Me , Satan ; For It Is Written , Thou Shalt Worship The Lord Thy God And ( Him ) Only Shalt Thou Serve < He Saaid Worship ( Him ) Not Me >
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 , Jesus states again in The Red Letter Writing Of Your Bible ,
John 4 ; 23 - 24 , And I Quote ; But The Hour Cometh , And Now Is , When The True Worshippers Shall Worship The Father In Spirit And In Truth ; For The Father Seeketh Such To Worship ( Him ) . GOD Is A Spirit And They That Worship ( Him ) Must Worship ( Him ) In Spirit And In Truth . < He Saaid Worship ( Him ) Not Me >
And In John 14 ; 10 , Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To ( His ) Heavenly Father .
John 14 ; 10 , And I Quote ; Believe Thou Not That I Am In The Father , And The Father In Me ? The Words That I Speak Unto You I Speak Not Of Myself ; Bu The Father That Dwelleth In Me , ( He ) Doeth The Works < He Used The Word ( He Not Me ) >
And then you still Some Christian say God Incarnate Himself In A Man's Body His Son So That We May Know Him Personally .
No Man's Body Can Contain God . Now if you mean that he has The Essence of his Father in him , Then All Man Are God's Son And Daughters . Read Genesis 2 ; 7 When God Brathe Into Man The Brath Of Life ; And The Lord God Formed Man From The Dust Of The Ground , And Breathed Into His Nostrils The Breath Of Life ; And Man Became A Living Soul .
However , Getting back to the point whether he incarnate or came himself , There still wouldn't be any need for him to Pray or ask for assistance from anyone if he was God . The Creator . Can't you see that ? Not only would he not need to Pray . He would have no desire to Eat Meat ( Luke 24 ; 41 ) , Beg that Death passes him ( Matthew 26 ; 39 ) Fear and Run for his life ( John 18 ; 3 ) Which means that '' God '' Has To Run From His Creations . It seems like you totally Ignored all of these Scriptures and found one that sound good to you , And built a whole doctrine from it .
Another quality that Jesus did not possess according to Roman 13 ; 1 and 2Corinthians 1 ; 23 Is the power to assign the souls their positions in The Hereafter . According to the author of these 2 books which was Paul , only the Heavenly Father possess such power , Exalting Jesus beyond the truth is shown to be a form of idolatry . Once again in Matthew 7 ; 21 , Jesus tells people to do the will of the Father .
Matthew 7 ; 21 , And I Quote ; Not Every One That Saith Unto Me , Lord , Lord , Shall Enter Into The Kinfdom Of Heaven ; But ( He ) That Doeth The Will Of ( My Father Which Is Heaven )
In both Luke 4 ; 8 and Matthew 4 ; 10 , We come across an incident that clearly Contradicts The Concept Of Jesus Claiming Absolute Divinity . According to these two references Matthew 27 ; 46 and Mark 15 ; 34 . Jesus Was Put On The Cross Left To Die . Then According To Those Who Believe The Crucifixion Story , At That Time Jesus Cried In A Loud Voice .
Matthew 27 ; 46 , And I Quote ; And About The Ninth Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice , Saying Eli , Eli Lama Sabacthani ? That Is To Say , My God , My God , Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me ?
Mark 15 ; 34 , And I Quote ; And About The Ninth Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice , Saying Eloi , Eloi Lama Sabachthani ? Which Is . Being Interpreted . My God , My God . Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me ?
If Jesus Was God He Would Not Have To Say Any Of These Things In The First Place . How Could You Possibly ( Forsake Your Ownself ? ) If He Was God Or Eli As It Is Used In This Quote
. He Would Not Need Consent From Anyone Overstand . This Could Not Possibly Be The Words Of A Person Who Saw Himself As The Controller Of All Life And Death Because He Cried Out '' My God ... It Simply Isn't Logical . Jesus Never Encouraged Anyone To Worship ( Him ) . Instead , He Taught Other To Worship His ( Father ) As I Have Just Shown You By Using The Scriptures ,
I GUESS AT YOUR RIPE OLD AGE
CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING ARE WHO YOU HAVE BECOME
THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN
GOD IN SPIRIRT
AND
THAT SAME SPIRIT GOD WRAPPED IN FLESH
WOULD STRUGGLE
WITH THE FACT OF PURITY
TO BECOME UNPURE
TO BE SACRIFICED
BY THOSE YOU HAD
PERSONALLY FORMED BY YOUR OWN HANDS
AND SPOKE INTO EXISTENCE
PROBABLY WOULD ....... MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
BUT
MAYBE YOUR FROM A CHURCH
WHERE THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND
AND
COMMON SENSE
HAS NO PURPOSE IN THE WORDS OF GOD
NOR
IN HIS HOUSE OF WORSHIP
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Hey what do you make out of...
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Before you argue gibbowir el doesn't mean "mighty God" you might want to consider
Genesis 49:24
But his bow remained in strength,And the arms of his hands were made strong By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob (From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel)
Yeah the God of Jacob is Gibbowir El.
So the Messiah was going to be Divine, and by the way the errors you are mentioning in the deity of Jesus are elementary arguments that are very easily refuted if you actually study the Scriptures in deph.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Before you argue gibbowir el doesn't mean "mighty God" you might want to consider
Genesis 49:24
But his bow remained in strength,And the arms of his hands were made strong By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob (From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel)
Yeah the God of Jacob is Gibbowir El.
So the Messiah was going to be Divine, and by the way the errors you are mentioning in the deity of Jesus are elementary arguments that are very easily refuted if you actually study the Scriptures in deph.
I WONDER IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN GOD
TO PUT SUCH LIMITATIONS UPON
A GOD
WHO CLAIMS
HE IS CAPABLE OF ANYTHING
EVEN DYING AND RESURRECTING
IN THE SAME BREATH
DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND ILL RAISE IT BACK UP IN 3 DAYS ... JOHN 2:19
NOTICE JESUS SAID.......I WILL RAISE IT UP
A CLEAR DEMONSTRATION
THAT IF JESUS CAN LAY HIS OWN LIFE DOWN
HE CAN ALSO RAISE IT BACK UP
IN HIS OWN POWER
WHICH MAKES JESUS GOD
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