The Deity of Jesus Christ

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jaybird88

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which do you guys pray to, the Father or Son?
 
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popeye

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jaybird88 said:
this i understand and this is why i dont understand the trinity concept. c, e, and g combine to make the ‘c’ cord. is c note the same as c cord? is e note the same as c cord? from my understanding they are not the same.
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this i understand and this is why i dont understand the trinity concept.
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No human understands this. It IS,therefore it is EMBRACED. The Godhead is of a dimension,a spiritual dimension. It is out of our minds and understanding. This is why Paul said We see in part and prophesy in part. But we do have PARTIAL understanding.

It is,a walk of faith.
 
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popeye

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wattie said:
Okay, but then if they are actually three seperate beings.. where is God?

I would have thought it would be the one being-- God.. expressed in three essences/substances.

If you seperate them out into actual three seperate beings.. that I would think would at least look like Polytheism.
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They are 3
They are 1

I can say both,but they are one God.

It is kinda like this. "Look there is God"...." Oh,wait a minute is that one or 3?"
That is a poor explanation,and not to be considered truth,but I really can not explain it.
IOW,any example will not quite get you there.
 
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Magenta

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i see that - i think of it more as poking your fingertip into a pond. all the fish see of you is the tip of that finger, and they feel your presence in the ripples of water you produce by your displacement & movement. but you are much more than that; a thing the fishes in the water can't fully see - and at the same time, your finger is you.

Christ is like the hand of God, thrust into humanity. fully God, but in a limited expression.

this isn't any kind of perfect analogy either :)
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No analogy will be perfect, and no matter how well thought out or presented, it will fail on some level. Our God is much bigger than our ability to comprehend Him... but I do like the hand analogy. If you think about it, we are said to have ten fingers. Obviously two of them are thumbs. Both thumbs are fully thumbs, and also fully fingers. The thumb has a unique relationship to the other eight fingers, yet it is no less a digit than the other eight fingers/digits. The totality of fingers and thumbs go in to the making of a hand. One of the reasons why I like the hand analogy, too, is because Jesus is said to be seated at the right hand of the Father. I think of Him as the right hand of the father. He is God's will made manifest through the act of creation etc. He serves God in the world, the same way our hands serve us, but are not the totality of who we are. :)

 
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thebesttrees

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Magenta said:
No analogy will be perfect, and no matter how well thought out or presented, it will fail on some level. Our God is much bigger than our ability to comprehend Him... but I do like the hand analogy. If you think about it, we are said to have ten fingers. Obviously two of them are thumbs. Both thumbs are fully thumbs, and also fully fingers. The thumb has a unique relationship to the other eight fingers, yet it is no less a digit than the other eight fingers/digits. The totality of fingers and thumbs go in to the making of a hand. One of the reasons why I like the hand analogy, too, is because Jesus is said to be seated at the right hand of the Father. I think of Him as the right hand of the father. He is God's will made manifest through the act of creation etc. He serves God in the world, the same way our hands serve us, but are not the totality of who we are. :)
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The efficacy of different analogies and explanations for TRINITY need to be tested against satisfactorily responding to the questions of many people both Christian and non-Christian arising from their study of the Bible.

People come across verses that they have a hard time reconciling with the explanations for Trinity. This has been a cause of division and alienation among the people who for one reason or another study the Word of God. This is why, it is only appropriate to study these "problematic" verses one by one to see how Trinity can best explain the meaning and solve any apparent misunderstandings. And in doing so, help reconcile the differences and bring about unity.
 
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thebesttrees said:
The efficacy of different analogies and explanations for TRINITY need to be tested against satisfactorily responding to the questions of many people both Christian and non-Christian arising from their study of the Bible.

People come across verses that they have a hard time reconciling with the explanations for Trinity. This has been a cause of division and alienation among the people who for one reason or another study the Word of God. This is why, it is only appropriate to study these "problematic" verses one by one to see how Trinity can best explain the meaning and solve any apparent misunderstandings. And in doing so, help reconcile the differences and bring about unity.
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People have a problem with Scripture... period.

In the beginning God.

Some people can't get beyond that, and stop right there.
 
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shotgunner

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wattie said:
Something that I find hard to get my head around..

So I have heard people post that Jesus is God.. but then say Jesus is not the Father, not the Holy Spirit.. and the Father is not the Holy Spirit and not Jesus.. and the Holy Spirit is not the Father and not Jesus.

But if Jesus is God.. and there is God the Father and God the Son..

And these are not three seperate beings.. but the one triune God.. then

In some sense is not Jesus actually the Father? Since they are all the same one being- God?


The only other way I can think to see Jesus is not the Father.. is if you are thinking in other terms.. eg..

The mind is not the body.. and the soul is not the body for a person.. but there is the one being-- the person. So I suppose in that sense I could say Jesus is not the Father.


But then I am faced with verses that show them doing the same thing, at the same time.. like when an individual gets saved.. eg... Jesus gives eternal life.. the Father gives eternal life.. and the Holy Spirit seals.

Are they really seperate from each-other?

Ya so this confuses me a bit :)

But I definitely believe Jesus is fully God.
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God is a triune being. Three, yet one. God made man in his own image. Man is three, yet one. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Man is spirit, soul, and body.
 
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We need to understand that God created us to live in a physical World with physical limitations in all four dimensions.

God exists outside of us, outside of the four dimensions.

The best way to describe God is that God is pure thought and pure energy.

Revelation 15:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Exodus 34:29-30
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Now it was so, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses' hand when he came down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] So when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.

I truly believe that God is pure energy.

Being pure energy then each person is pure energy and the total of them is pure energy.

I think this is the best way we can describe it with our limited intelligence.
 
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valiant said:
When we talk about God we talk about Someone Who is wholly beyond our understanding. We only know about God what He has been pleased to reveal about Himself.

Thus we know that God is one Being with three interpersonalities. Father speaks to Son, and both communicate with the Spirit. Yet they always act as One. They cannot be separated. We are indwelt by Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Whenever the Father acts, the Son and Holy Spirit also act. And yet in their oneness there is threeness of interpersonality.
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Yes this makes the most sense to me.
 
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thebesttrees

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wattie said:
Yes this makes the most sense to me.
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Think of God the Father as the sun and
The Holy Spirit as the rays of the sun and
Jesus Christ as the mirror

and all the pertinent verses of the Bible where people point to issues with Trinity will be solved and understood easily.

God bless all.
 
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jaybird88 said:
and where does Jesus say this? or does it matter.
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Proper worship of God:

But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him. God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4.23 - 24)


This proper worship is as a Triune entity:


  • Father
  • Son (Truth)
  • Spirit
 
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jaybird88

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Bowman said:
Proper worship of God:

But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him. God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4.23 - 24)


This proper worship is as a Triune entity:


  • Father
  • Son (Truth)
  • Spirit
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what you posted says to worship the Father. spirit and truth is the manner in how you worship. thats what i see.
 
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jaybird88 said:
what you posted says to worship the Father. spirit and truth is the manner in how you worship. thats what i see.
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The terms are used interchangeably....that it why it is repeatedly several times in different arrangements.
 
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TWAN

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I believe, I am He.
 
Bowman

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jaybird88 said:
and where does Jesus say this? or does it matter.
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Mark 12.28 - 30


And coming up, one of the scribes, hearing them arguing, knowing that He answered them well, he questioned Him, What is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is: "Hear, Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul" and with all your mind, "and with all your strength." This is the first commandment. (Deut. 6:4, 5)


Here we have Jesus declaring that the very first commandment is the Shema – which describes God as being Triune.
 
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jaybird88

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Bowman said:
Mark 12.28 - 30


And coming up, one of the scribes, hearing them arguing, knowing that He answered them well, he questioned Him, What is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is: "Hear, Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul" and with all your mind, "and with all your strength." This is the first commandment. (Deut. 6:4, 5)


Here we have Jesus declaring that the very first commandment is the Shema – which describes God as being Triune.
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then why does Jesus say His Lord is one. further more this is a perfect opportunity for Jesus to set the record straight for everyone by telling them the Lord is 1 of 3 or 3 in 1. yet he doesn't, his only response is His Lord is one and only one.
 
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