if people would just read the Bible , not just the same verses over and over, but THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE they would get this. when you have man-made theology and you just pluck out verses to back that up, and ignore or twist the rest, this is severe mis-use of God's word. and like e.g., i'm not messing with that.
The Doctrine of Christ and Walking As He Walked
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So Jesus is guilty of our sin? Or He was until God punished Him?
Let me ask this question, if the wrath of God was all that it took for people to be forgiven of sins, wrath which apparently doesn't lead to death but sitting at the right hand of the Father... Then why would we need Christ at all? Each of us could just bear the wrath of God for our own sins and then everything would be fine.
Kind of like purgatory or temporal punishment. Does this sound right to you?
Let me ask this question, if the wrath of God was all that it took for people to be forgiven of sins, wrath which apparently doesn't lead to death but sitting at the right hand of the Father... Then why would we need Christ at all? Each of us could just bear the wrath of God for our own sins and then everything would be fine.
Kind of like purgatory or temporal punishment. Does this sound right to you?
exactly... ! He neither knows the Father, nor the Son, Christ God manifest in the flesh, whom the Father Sent!.. ye shall know them by their fruit! the Doctrine of Christ.. do you really 'know ' what Christ means? the 'anointing'.. WHEN a Genuine Believer is 'given a smattering' of Christ's Anointing.. they 'know'.. John even said.. let no man teach you.. for ye have recieved His Anointing and that Anointing 'abides' in you, so that you have no need of any man to 'teach you'... I would say a majority of those who 'claim' Christ today. dont HAVE HIS ANOINTING. but are sown by the other sower.. as 'false christs'.. exactly what the Master Warned about prior to His Return.. indeed!
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Here we go again.
A redeemer pays the price of redemption. The price of the sentence imposed.
However he must be innocent of the same crimes, or he has to pay the debt himself. Thats why the author of hebrews said the priest could not remove sin by sacrificing a lamb, for he had sin which needed forgiven himself. But jesus, the true high priest. made one sa rifice and forever sits at the right hand of God.
There is a reason John called Christ the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. He paid the price of redemption.
It does not mean he sinned, thats a stawman which evidently has creeped into some churches, and has no beneficial value to the argument.
We already bear the price of our sin, separation from God (spiritual death) If Christ did not suffer that same penalty. there could be no redemption.
The wrath of God is not pysical death or anything else. those are byproducts of sin, not the penalty of sin.
Let me ask a question, the law, which is called our tutor. said the priest had to enter, and kill an innocent lamb without blesmish as payment for sin.
If that was the symbol of Christ. and Christ did not do this for us, that what use is the symbol. is god murdering animals? or is he using them for his purpose. to teach us, as paul claimed.
The penalty of sin is death, Not purgatory or temporal punishment, that is what skinski teaches (not purgatory, but temporal punishment)
A redeemer pays the price of redemption. The price of the sentence imposed.
However he must be innocent of the same crimes, or he has to pay the debt himself. Thats why the author of hebrews said the priest could not remove sin by sacrificing a lamb, for he had sin which needed forgiven himself. But jesus, the true high priest. made one sa rifice and forever sits at the right hand of God.
There is a reason John called Christ the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. He paid the price of redemption.
It does not mean he sinned, thats a stawman which evidently has creeped into some churches, and has no beneficial value to the argument.
We already bear the price of our sin, separation from God (spiritual death) If Christ did not suffer that same penalty. there could be no redemption.
The wrath of God is not pysical death or anything else. those are byproducts of sin, not the penalty of sin.
Let me ask a question, the law, which is called our tutor. said the priest had to enter, and kill an innocent lamb without blesmish as payment for sin.
If that was the symbol of Christ. and Christ did not do this for us, that what use is the symbol. is god murdering animals? or is he using them for his purpose. to teach us, as paul claimed.
The penalty of sin is death, Not purgatory or temporal punishment, that is what skinski teaches (not purgatory, but temporal punishment)
Ridculous? no.. IM NOT SURE YOU TOO neither Know the Father nor the Son Whom He sent.. by your posts.. btw.. UNDERsTANDING your multi -faceted 'doctrines', is that Eternal Life? NO. many knew doctrine.. pushed it on others, JUDGED OTHERS by their 'doctrine', condemned others by their Doctrine, When Christ God manifest in the flesh, walked this Earth the 1st time........ What Were Jeusus's Words to these? no different today. 'likened unto whited washed tombs', straining at a gnat , yet swallowing a camel, smh.. smh.. no different today.. He told those Brood of Vipers.. and so did John the Baptist.. 'how can ye escape the Damnation of Gehenna'.. they couldnt.. the same goes for today. for those who 'claim' Christ.. yet do not KNOW HIM.. these shall receive the Greater Damnation! His Words are as True today as they were back then.! no different!
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No, I understand if it fully,
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In fact so does the bible.
A slave can be redeemed and set free.
A prisoner can be redeemed and set free.
In both cases, the one who redeems pays the price owed by the prisoner slave, to recieve their freedom.
In the case of the prisoner, it is called penal substitution.
the reality is, yuo do not understand God, or the law. or you would not make such strawman arguments.
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In fact so does the bible.
A slave can be redeemed and set free.
A prisoner can be redeemed and set free.
In both cases, the one who redeems pays the price owed by the prisoner slave, to recieve their freedom.
In the case of the prisoner, it is called penal substitution.
the reality is, yuo do not understand God, or the law. or you would not make such strawman arguments.
W
Yes, ridiculous is how I would say you are acting brothers.
Calling people antichrists and condemned to hell for simply discussing doctrinal issues is ridiculous. How would you know if anyone on the internet was in Christ or not based on the discussion of doctrinal issues, unless they told you they lived sinfully, in disobedience to the Lord's commands. How do you think we learn but to study and ask questions? There is nothing wrong with asking others for insight or being gifted by someone elses insight as long as it truly is from the Lord and confirmed by Scripture.
Whatever witch hunt you guys are on is counterproductive and would seem to be a fruit of the flesh.
Calling people antichrists and condemned to hell for simply discussing doctrinal issues is ridiculous. How would you know if anyone on the internet was in Christ or not based on the discussion of doctrinal issues, unless they told you they lived sinfully, in disobedience to the Lord's commands. How do you think we learn but to study and ask questions? There is nothing wrong with asking others for insight or being gifted by someone elses insight as long as it truly is from the Lord and confirmed by Scripture.
Whatever witch hunt you guys are on is counterproductive and would seem to be a fruit of the flesh.
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And He said unto them, Ye are THEY which Justify yourselves Before men; but God KNOWETH your Hearts: for THAT which is Highly Esteemed Among Men is Abomination in the Sight of God. Luke 16--------------------->
Jesus Himself speaking of the Pharisee's who derided others and condemned others for not following their 'inspired doctrine' and rules.. plus they were full of Avarice (greed) so they derided Him every chance they got! NO DIFERENT TODAY! TRULY incredible how 'real' the Gospel becomes when ye walk in the Spirit!
Jesus Himself speaking of the Pharisee's who derided others and condemned others for not following their 'inspired doctrine' and rules.. plus they were full of Avarice (greed) so they derided Him every chance they got! NO DIFERENT TODAY! TRULY incredible how 'real' the Gospel becomes when ye walk in the Spirit!
No witch hunt at all.. just 'testing the spirits' and what they are 'teaching'.. It seems when you do that.. all sorts of snakes come crawling out of the wood work! Ye walk in Truth .. oh.. the Vipers will come a callin! oh yes! no different today than when Christ Himself walked this Earth.. those WHO HAVE HIS SPIRIT in them.. WILL see that .. and some on here DO.. yes they do.. others, just continue in the darkness posing as light, that the Master taught if that is the case. .then how great is that Darkness! indeed You understand 1 John.. was WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS, THE Elect of God to 'try the spirits'. because of so much garbage out there at that time . and its no different now.. sorry.. if this offends you.. but its the Truth.. indeed!
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Hi sister, thank you for your observation.
What I mean is that what Jesus does and says, He does because the Father sent Him to do and say those things.
Nobody has seen or heard the Father except the Son. (Does this include even the angels? Just something to think about)
So in the OT, when it says the "Lord" or "God" is talking, it must mean Christ right?
Even if you were to say that it was the angels who physically handed Moses the tablets on Sinai... Does that make a difference? As the angels are only messengers of the one who sent them.
What I mean is that what Jesus does and says, He does because the Father sent Him to do and say those things.
Nobody has seen or heard the Father except the Son. (Does this include even the angels? Just something to think about)
So in the OT, when it says the "Lord" or "God" is talking, it must mean Christ right?
Even if you were to say that it was the angels who physically handed Moses the tablets on Sinai... Does that make a difference? As the angels are only messengers of the one who sent them.
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I have seen health benefits described related to taking aspirin on a regular basis in some publications. Yet I think, as a general rule, the negative will outweigh the benefits.
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In law we have a concept of the "spirit of the law" which applies in all circumstances where the letter clearly does not. It is likely the same with many of the Laws of Moses. They had to obey those laws for they were the laws of their nation. We are not subject to the laws of the physical nation of Israel but serve the greater law of love. Yet that does not mean that there is not value in many of the precepts of Moses. Hence the reason I avoid bottom feeders and scavenger meats in my diet.
I do not know all the intricacies regarding the consumption of blood, there may very well be some benefits.
In law we have a concept of the "spirit of the law" which applies in all circumstances where the letter clearly does not. It is likely the same with many of the Laws of Moses. They had to obey those laws for they were the laws of their nation. We are not subject to the laws of the physical nation of Israel but serve the greater law of love. Yet that does not mean that there is not value in many of the precepts of Moses. Hence the reason I avoid bottom feeders and scavenger meats in my diet.