The earth is filled with violence

[KennethC]

Revelation tells us that Babylon the Great is a city. It is a City that relies on Merchants to obtain goods and gives a list of luxury
items it receives. Its destruction is seen from the sea by those who trade with it. Revelation does not say it is spiritual or that it is a country. We are not told which City Babylon represents but the Middle East is central to Bible Prophecy, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere in that region. God gave us the Bible so we could understand these things. Complex discussions about the Shemitah go over many peoples heads, including mine.

You are getting very close here on what you are saying as the bible gives a number of descriptions for Mystery Babylon, and here are a couple more; Beheading of Christians and Jews, child trafficing, in the wilderness, holds to some customs of the original system, those who morn here destruction throw dust on their heads.

Now look at Mecca, which is the Muslim capital of the world in which all Islamic terrorist groups have come out of.
Plus Mecca means "mother", which happens to be another name given to Babylon ---> Mother of all harlotry !!!

 

[tanach]

The Giants of Noahs day were the offspring of Angels and Humans. They did not foreshadow spiritual things to come. Spiritualising parts of the Bible that are not meant to be spiritualised is one reason why there is so much confusion about this subject and others

 

[tanach]

Kennethc Yes I am aware of the possibility that Mecca could be Babylon, also think that a revived Ottoman Empire could make an appearance as well headed by Antichrist.

 

[KennethC]

Kennethc Yes I am aware of the possibility that Mecca could be Babylon, also think that a revived Ottoman Empire could make an appearance as well headed by Antichrist.

Well that is also true as Revelation 2:13 and 13:2 tell us exactly where to look for the man of sin, as it says where satan's seat is located and this seat is given to the man of sin............Pergamos, Turkey !!!

The man of sin takes his coalition of 10 kings/kingdoms that follow him and destroy Babylon.....Revelation 17:16

Here are the places that I have been lead to that follow this last system lead by the man of sin: Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Greece, Sudan, Ethiopia, Jordan, Syria, Libya

 

[tanach]

Kennethc Sounds about right to me

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation tells us that Babylon the Great is a city. It is a City that relies on Merchants to obtain goods and gives a list of luxury
items it receives. Its destruction is seen from the sea by those who trade with it. Revelation does not say it is spiritual or that it is a country. We are not told which City Babylon represents but the Middle East is central to Bible Prophecy, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere in that region. God gave us the Bible so we could understand these things. Complex discussions about the Shemitah go over many peoples heads, including mine.

The words of God are spiritual, just as the many symbolisms found in the book of Revelation are spiritually discerned by the Holy Spirit. We also know Mystery Babylon is global because of where the woman sits.....


Many people believe that the woman in Revelation is a brick and mortar city like Jerusalem, as some also believe the scarlet colored beast she rides on is also limited to a specific geographic location. But scriptures prove both these ideas to be false because the imagery of the woman and the beast are global and affect all the nations of the world, and even all the inhabitants of the earth. So let’s confirm this point by scripture.

Revelation 17:1-3 “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earthhave committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

First thing notice where the woman sits.She sits on the scarlet colored beast, which is also the many waters. So the scarlet colored beast is in the many waters, and here is where she sits in Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

This confirms what Revelation 17:2 has already stated the beast she sits on is made up of the "kings of the earth" and "inhabitants of the earth" This means the beast is global, and so is the effects of the Harlot because they have all been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

Some more confirmation of the “many waters” as referring to the nations of the world is shown here in Isaiah 17:13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.”

Jesus also spoke of the nations as the sea of waters in Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;” So one could say the scarlet colored beast is symbolic of the serpent in the red sea.

This sign of the serpent, or dragon in the sea was shown in Job as Leviathan the crooked serpent and also here in Psalm 74:14 “Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.”

The people inhabiting the wilderness, are like those wandering the wilderness of sin. But the Lord will judge him with His sword as shown here in Isaiah 27:1 “In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.”

So the heads are really not that critical when you understand that all kings, kingdoms, and nations on this earth have been deceived by Satan through his spirit working in them. How do we know this? Because of sin, just as it is written 1 John 3:8 “He that commits sin is of the devil;

More proof were talking about global events, not confined to single country or city.

Revelation 16:18-19[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The Giants of Noahs day were the offspring of Angels and Humans. They did not foreshadow spiritual things to come. Spiritualising parts of the Bible that are not meant to be spiritualised is one reason why there is so much confusion about this subject and others

It's the natural man (carnally minded man) that cannot receive, hear, or understand the spiritual things of God.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:


[SUP]10 [/SUP]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Jason0047]

The natural things of old often times reveal the true spiritual things to come, even as there were natural giants in the days of Noah so we would also be surrounded by spiritual giants in our day, and spiritual wickedness working in high places. You have spiritual giants working in governments, captains of industry, magicians of medicine and modern technology, Satans priests are men of science working all power signs and lying wonders in the sight of men.

The great men are the giants of our day, "men of renown" as they were known, the merchants who buy and sell for profits and greedy gain.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

They can even make fire come down from heaven....

Not that I am into conspiracies websites that make huge assumptions and claims that cannot be documented (Especially with the whole false theorical crazy Alien/Nephilim agenda that says aliens will contact us one day so as to create Hybrids with us humams), I do believe the Nephilim (Giants) are among us today. One time, I did encounter a really unusally tall person in the crowd who looked at me, and I did not get a good feeling from this person. Granted, that person might have been 100% human, but the real point is that I believe Jesus in what he says. As it was in the days of Noah, shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Revelation talks about how there will be demons coming up out of the ground. So I do not think it is a far stretch to say that Nephilim are among us today. There have been reports of five women who had given birth to Nephilim. Granted, they could have been lying or somebody could have just made that report up. But why? To sell a book? Maybe. But there have been cover ups of giant human skeletons found in the ground. Again, false evidence? Yet, we see many tall people amongst us today? Are they Nephilim? I cannot say. Jesus tells me I am not to judge by outward appearances but to judge righteously. But I do know they exist by faith in these last days because of Jesus's words. Just as I take it by faith that radio frequences exist and certain gases exist (even though I cannot see them). But I respect your belief if you do not agree. I can understand that it is scary or outlandish to think that demon/human hybrid giants are among us today. Trust me, I would rather be comforted with the idea that they do not exist, but I believe strongly in God's Word that they do.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Anyways, peace be unto you, dear brother.
And I hope you are doing well.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Not that I am into conspiracies websites that make huge assumptions and claims that cannot be documented (Especially with the whole false theorical crazy Alien/Nephilim agenda that says aliens will contact us one day so as to create Hybrids with us humams), I do believe the Nephilim (Giants) are among us today. One time, I did encounter a really unusally tall person in the crowd who looked at me, and I did not get a good feeling from this person. Granted, that person might have been 100% human, but the real point is that I believe Jesus in what he says. As it was in the days of Noah, shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Revelation talks about how there will be demons coming up out of the ground. So I do not think it is a far stretch to say that Nephilim are among us today. There have been reports of five women who had given birth to Nephilim. Granted, they could have been lying or somebody could have just made that report up. But why? To sell a book? Maybe. But there have been cover ups of giant human skeletons found in the ground. Again, false evidence? Yet, we see many tall people amongst us today? Are they Nephilim? I cannot say. Jesus tells me I am not to judge by outward appearances but to judge righteously. But I do know they exist by faith in these last days because of Jesus's words. Just as I take it by faith that radio frequences exist and certain gases exist (even though I cannot see them). But I respect your belief if you do not agree. I can understand that it is scary or outlandish to think that demon/human hybrid giants are among us today. Trust me, I would rather be comforted with the idea that they do not exist, but I believe strongly in God's Word that they do.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Anyways, peace be unto you, dear brother.
And I hope you are doing well.

A lot of people don't see the types and shadows in the natural which are also a reflection of the spiritual. Just as many don't know there was a spiritual flood of persecution and false doctrine that came out of the mouth of the serpent after Christ ascended and the Devil was cast down to earth. I wrote a thread on it awhile back. But concerning the giants of those days, before the flood, it is also written there were giants after the flood.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now think about this, if the giants seed was only flesh and blood men, then how was there giants after the flood? Because the words of God tell us all flesh was destroyed that was upon the face of the earth in the flood. The only ones that survived was Noah and his family along with the animals in the ark. So common sense will tell you their seed had to be spiritual, as angels are also spirits as written.

So evil angels, or evil spirits can dwell in the hearts and minds of men no matter what their physical stature is, as some have entreated angels unaware, as is also written. I have no doubt there are evil angels (spirits) at work in the world right now, but people just don't see them because they look with their eyes.(by outward appearance) But that is also why we are told to try the spirits to see if they are of God.

The sending forth of evil angels and lying spirits is not foreign to scripture, as they can be confirmed by scripture.

Psalm 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

1 Kings 22:22
And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

The spirit of antichrist is the same thing, a single lying spirit working in many false prophets and many deceivers.

 

[Jason0047]

A lot of people don't see the types and shadows in the natural which are also a reflection of the spiritual. Just as many don't know there was a spiritual flood of persecution and false doctrine that came out of the mouth of the serpent after Christ ascended and the Devil was cast down to earth. I wrote a thread on it awhile back. But concerning the giants of those days, before the flood, it is also written there were giants after the flood.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now think about this, if the giants seed was only flesh and blood men, then how was there giants after the flood? Because the words of God tell us all flesh was destroyed that was upon the face of the earth in the flood. The only ones that survived was Noah and his family along with the animals in the ark. So common sense will tell you their seed had to be spiritual, as angels are also spirits as written.

So evil angels, or evil spirits can dwell in the hearts and minds of men no matter what their physical stature is, as some have entreated angels unaware, as is also written. I have no doubt there are evil angels (spirits) at work in the world right now, but people just don't see them because they look with their eyes.(by outward appearance) But that is also why we are told to try the spirits to see if they are of God.

The sending forth of evil angels and lying spirits is not foreign to scripture, as they can be confirmed by scripture.

Psalm 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

1 Kings 22:22
And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

The spirit of antichrist is the same thing, a single lying spirit working in many false prophets and many deceivers.

Yes, I also believe lying spirits (demons) influence the words of false prophets today. I also believe some of them are even possessed (and not merely influenced), too.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, I also believe lying spirits (demons) influence the words of false prophets today. I also believe some of them are even possessed (and not merely influenced), too.

Only those who are sealed in the forehead by God's Spirit are under His protection from that Wicked.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[Jason0047]

Only those who are sealed in the forehead by God's Spirit are under His protection from that Wicked.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I agree. As for your quote of 1 Kings 22 (in your previous post):

Well, I know it might raise a question for some here (who might happen upon this thread):

How can God use a lying spirit to deceive Ahab?

While I do not quote Got Questions regularly (and for good reason). I do believe they have an informative article on the topic so as to answer this question. Granted, I do not hold to all their views obviously (Especially their support of the evil doctrine known as "Once Saved Always Saved"); But it is an eye opening article for those who are unfamilar with the story none the less and promotes obedience to God at the end of it.


Question: "Why did God use a lying spirit to deceive Ahab?"

Answer: In 1 Kings 22:19-23, there is a troubling passage in which we are told that God used a lying spirit to deceive Ahab. Does God really use evil, lying spirits to do His bidding? Why would God do such a thing? To find the answer to this question, we need to learn a little background about King Ahab, and also understand something about the sovereignty of God.

King Ahab was the son of Omri, and he reigned over Israel in Samaria for 22 years (1 Kings 16:29). Continuing the example of his father, Ahab did evil in the sight of God by worshiping Baal and “did more to provoke the Lord God of Israel than all the kings of Israel that were before him” (1 Kings 16:33). Ahab again and again proved he was bent on evil, evidenced by his continued refusal to listen to the prophet Elijah’s warnings. Ahab accused Elijah of troubling Israel by the drought, but Elijah declared that it was Ahab's own sin that caused the troubles for the nation (1 Kings 18:18). Since Ahab had declared war on God by killing His prophets (v. 13), God then brought the war to Ahab in the form of a contest (1 Kings 18:19-40) between the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal on one side, and Elijah on the other. When God miraculously verified Elijah’s status as His true prophet, Ahab should have repented, but he remained in his sinful rebellion, fueled by the wicked anger of his wife, Jezebel.

In many subsequent incidents, God again showed His power and mercy to Ahab, but the king refused to submit and obey Him. Finally Jehoshaphat, king of Judah, came to visit him and Ahab persuaded him to join in battle to take Ramoth-Gilead from the Syrians. Wisely, Jehoshaphat insisted that they seek God's will in the matter, so Ahab brought 400 false prophets together, who all assured him that God would give them victory (1 Kings 22:6). Jehoshaphat recognized their falsehood and asked whether a true prophet of God could be summoned. Ahab acknowledged that Micaiah was a true prophet, but he hated him, because “he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad” (1 Kings 22:8).

Micaiah was brought before the kings and delivered God's final warning to Ahab. He said that if they went to war, they would be defeated and left without a king. Ahab replied, “Didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?” (1 Kings 22:18). Ahab was again rejecting the clear warning from God, and choosing a path of wicked rebellion. In response to Ahab’s constant choice of sin, God revealed some of the inner workings of the spiritual world.

God had already pronounced a death sentence upon Ahab (1 Kings 20:42, 21:19), but had given him opportunity to repent of his wickedness. With this final rejection of God's counsel, God determined to carry out the death sentence. Since Ahab continued to prefer the lies of his false prophets over the truth given by God's prophets, God chose to use the false prophets to carry out His plan. When God asked for volunteers to “entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there” (1 Kings 22:20), a spirit (fallen angel/demon) said he would be a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets. God gave the spirit permission to proceed, and Ahab received the message he desired.

God chose to use a lying spirit because Ahab rejected God's rebukes and warnings all through his life and the cup of God’s wrath was full. Since God is sovereign over all of creation, He is not restricted in what or whom He can use to accomplish His holy purposes. All of creation is under His authority, and He chooses to use people and spirits, both good and evil, to bring His divine plans to pass and bring glory to Himself. “He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: ‘What have you done?’" (Daniel 4:35). In the case of Ahab, God chose to using a lying spirit to accomplish His perfect and righteous plan (Psalm 18:30). The lying spirit will receive its punishment just as Ahab did, and those who repent of their sins will receive forgiveness just like Ahab could have. The real question is, “Will I respond to God's warnings with faith and obedience, or will I reject His counsel and be rejected by Him?”

Source:
Why did God use a lying spirit to deceive Ahab?

 

[resurrection33]

Sometimes I remember just a short while ago when Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were, as I understand it, killing millions of people.

 

[tanach]

The Bible says that the Sons of God had sexual relations with the Daughters of men which produced Giants, (Nephilim). The nephilim were actual Giants. See references to Goliath and Og, with his huge bed. When Moses sent spies into Caanan they came back and said that they were like Grass Hoppers compared to the inhabitants. That is partly why God told the Israelites to rid the land of the Caananites The reason there were still some after the flood was because the human race had been affected genetically. Noahs family were the only pure Humans left,but his Sons Wives were not pure and at least one of them carried the Genes that produced Nephilim.

It goes further than that. Why did God bring the flood wiping out all Animal life apart from those in the Ark? Why didn't he just destroy people? Because nature had been tampered with, animal species were affected, freaks were produced, either by the Sons of God,(evil Angels ), directly or by the Nephilim. Fossils are the remains of those freaks. Most Dinosaurs were gigantic they were not on board the Ark. If evolution is impossible where do they fit in otherwise, I have never seen a
convincing Christian explanation for the origin of these creatures because the Bible doesn't tell us. However there are ancient
Jewish books that do. The Books of Enoch and Jubillees address these matters. They were written between the testaments
hundreds of years before Evolution and Genetic Engineering were ever thought of.

 

[tanach]

Sometimes I remember just a short while ago when Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were, as I understand it, killing millions of people.

You missed out Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge.

 

[tanach]

update I decided to post the info I found outside the accepted Bible. Whether anyone receives it or decides Im a heretic
its up to them. Its somewhere on here.