The easy way to spot a false grace message

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#81
#81
Stephen63 said:
It's a well-established fact that radical grace & hypergrace are one & the same.
Click to expand...

Grace is radical, and hyper. SO radical the religious jew rejected it, So hyper the tax collector and prostitute and murderer was saved by it..

Legalism is also legalism, no matter what flavor you have,,
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#82
#82
Blain said:
I went from being certain I was hell bound to being showered by his love and grace. I will explain to you grace from my perspective- I do not fear hell or beat myself up for my sins and screw ups nor do I judge my salvation and my standing in God's eyes because of them because his grace has washed over me and while I don't constantly say I am sorry for all my sins though I do on many of them I have a repentant heart.

Grace is not a free ticket to sin and is not an excuse for our sins but a person who knows their sins and their weakness is all the more grateful for his grace. What you call extreme I call resting in grace able to keep heading forward no matter how many times I may fall not because i abuse his grace but because I am grateful for it.

Those who understand and are grateful for his grace will never abuse it
Click to expand...
Exactly,

We love because he first loved us.

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, because he has been born of God.. and has his spirit.
 
G

gb9

Senior Member
#83
Jan 18, 2011
11,798
6,360
113
#83
eternally-gratefull said:

A pharisee could quote the OT word for word.

How well did that do them? You posting scripture does not do you ANY good..

Your teachings have to back up what ALL of scripture says, Not just a few passages taken out of context.

You going to answer Utah's question? Everyone here is witnessing how sincerer you are by not answering.
Click to expand...
now, we know that i.s.i.t does not answer questions from us reprobate. he is far to ( self ) righteous for that. lol.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#84
#84
Magenta said:
Blain, he has admitted before that he still sins. Of course his sins are much less in his eyes than the sin he believes others here are committing on some kind of regular basis... that is certainly the vibe put out. He knows he cannot say he is without sin, for Scripture then condemns him there, too. But somehow the fact that he is a sinner just like the rest of us escapes his attention. He is better than the other sinners. His sins are little boo boos. They are accidents or something. Who knows how they justify coming here to lie about what people teach while teaching sinless perfection which is also a lie.
Click to expand...

wow. So he has admitted it, Well I guess that is a step in the right direction, Means there may still be hope :)
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#85
#85
gb9 said:
now, we know that i.s.i.t does not answer questions from us reprobate. he is far to ( self ) righteous for that. lol.
Click to expand...

I am sure he has a verse for that too..
 
InSpiritInTruth

InSpiritInTruth

Banned
#86
Jan 7, 2015
6,057
78
0
#86
It's not the word of God that I am against it's your words
Click to expand...
I'm speaking the words of God, which is why I quote His words to prove it. So yes, if you are against His words which I speak, then you are against the words of God. :)
 
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

Banned
#88
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#88
Blain, he has admitted before that he still sins.


InSpiritInTruth said:
Prove it, lest ye also be found a liar. :)
Click to expand...
So, to clear all this up once for all - answer this question - do you still sin from time to time? Do you still in some form yield to the flesh from time to time?

It should be easy to be honest with us and then people will not "mis-interpreted" what is being said or in some cases "not being said".

People agree what the Christian is freed from sin because we are in Christ. Perhaps it's your "application" of this truth that people have a problem with.
 
Last edited:
InSpiritInTruth

InSpiritInTruth

Banned
#89
Jan 7, 2015
6,057
78
0
#89
For all we know InSpiritInTruth may be speaking in faith, to hopefully obtain the freedom God's words speak of. To be free from sin, not just its penalty, but its dominion in this life.
Click to expand...
I am speaking in faith and in Truth, as Jesus said He can make you free from sin, and when made free you will no longer be a servant of sin but rather a servant of righteousness. :)
 
InSpiritInTruth

InSpiritInTruth

Banned
#93
Jan 7, 2015
6,057
78
0
#93
fredoheaven said:
Yes, you talking about sinners(ongoing sinners) not disciples, saved sinners. Talk about the servant of sin and we are not. Plain and simple this has nothing to do with eternal life.

God bless
Click to expand...
Sure it has to do with eternal life because Jesus said those who commit sins are servants of sin and a servant of sin abides not in the house forever. You can call yourself a disciple all day long, but if you are serving sin you are not serving Jesus Christ as your Lord.

It is written those who commit sin are of the Devil, and that the unrighteous (sinners) shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

We are servants to whom we obey.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

You cannot serve 2 masters people. :)
 
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

Banned
#94
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#94
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth



Prove it, lest ye also be found a liar. :)


eternally-gratefull said:
I think he just answered the question. In his sly suttle way he always does.
Click to expand...

Let's see if he answers the questions in post #88. This will give him a chance to be honest with us all and then this can be ended and have this thing settled once for all.

Then we can go on to talk about his "personal application" of what it means to be free of sin as Romans 6:14 talks about. That is a different subject and worth exploring.

Personally I agree with the scriptures he references but I'm not clear on his "application" of those scriptures.

Here is what has been asked.

Quote:

So, to clear all this up once for all - answer this question - do you still sin from time to time? Do you still in some form yield to the flesh from time to time?

It should be easy to be honest with us and then people will not "mis-interpreted" what is being said or in some cases "not being said".

People agree what the Christian is freed from sin because we are in Christ. Perhaps it's your "application" of this truth that people have a problem with.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#95
#95
Grace777x70 said:
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth



Prove it, lest ye also be found a liar. :)





Let's see if he answers the questions in post #88. This will give him a chance to be honest with us all and then this can be ended and have this thing settled once for all.

Then we can go on to talk about his "personal application" of what it means to be free of sin as Romans 6:14 talks about. That is a different subject and worth exploring.

Personally I agree with the scriptures he references but I'm not clear on his "application" of those scriptures.

Here is what has been asked.

Quote:

So, to clear all this up once for all - answer this question - do you still sin from time to time? Do you still in some form yield to the flesh from time to time?

It should be easy to be honest with us and then people will not "mis-interpreted" what is being said or in some cases "not being said".

People agree what the Christian is freed from sin because we are in Christ. Perhaps it's your "application" of this truth that people have a problem with.
Click to expand...
I look at it this way.

He judged people for saying God has no power. and they are still under the power of sin. (at least that is what he claims they say)

then he claims salvation can be lost..

Which means he really does not believe what he teaches Otherwise, He would have so great confidence on the power of god. thay he would KNOW no man could ever be lost once saved.

 
InSpiritInTruth

InSpiritInTruth

Banned
#96
Jan 7, 2015
6,057
78
0
#96
So, to clear all this up once for all - answer this question - do you still sin from time to time?
Click to expand...
The reason I do not answer is like I have said before..... What I am and what you are DO NOT MAKE THE WORDS OF GOD ANY LESS TRUE.

You simple minded people think that if you can prove me a sinner like yourself that this some how makes void the WORDS OF GOD which I preach? It does not! It might make you feel better about your own sinful condition, but what good is that?

And this is the mentality of the false grace message. They look at themselves and see their fallen condition and say, the WORDS OF GOD must not be true because I am still a sinner. So instead of believing the words of Jesus Christ and the apostles about being made free from sin and ceasing from sin, they instead make a false doctrine that excuses their sinful behavior= a sin all you want and still be saved doctrine.

Though they are no closer to salvation, at least they feel better about living a life style of ongoing sin. Thus they have justified themselves in their own eyes buy making a false doctrine that allows them to keep on sinning and still be saved. Basically, instead of believing and being transformed by the Spirit and the WORD OF GOD, they have shaped and conformed a false doctrine made in their own sinful image, and not after the holy image of the Son of God.
 
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

Banned
#97
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#97
eternally-gratefull said:
I look at it this way.

He judged people for saying God has no power. and they are still under the power of sin. (at least that is what he claims they say)

then he claims salvation can be lost..

Which means he really does not believe what he teaches Otherwise, He would have so great confidence on the power of god. thay he would KNOW no man could ever be lost once saved.

Click to expand...
If someone says that they still do not sin and never give into the flesh from time to time - well, they are deceived and their "personal application" of Romans 6:14-16 is skewed.

If they admit that they do still sin ( which we all know they do ) - then their personal application of the verse that says "He who sins is of the devil" - that would make them a child of the devil and a slave to sin according to their "application" of that scripture.

This "personal application" of Romans 6:14-16 is where the monkey wrench is thrown into this whole sinless perfection in the flesh falls apart and it is in fact dangerous to the Christian's faith in Christ's work.

 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#98
#98
InSpiritInTruth said:
The reason I do not answer is like I have said before..... What I am and what you are DO NOT MAKE THE WORDS OF GOD ANY LESS TRUE.

You simple minded people think that if you can prove me a sinner like yourself that this some how makes void the WORDS OF GOD which I preach? It does not! It might make you feel better about your own sinful condition, but what good is that?

And this is the mentality of the false grace message. They look at themselves and see their fallen condition and say, the WORDS OF GOD must not be true because I am still a sinner. So instead of believing the words of Jesus Christ and the apostles about being made free from sin and ceasing from sin, they instead make a false doctrine that excuses their sinful behavior= a sin all you want and still be saved doctrine.

Though they are no closer to salvation, at least they feel better about living a life style of ongoing sin. Thus they have justified themselves in their own eyes buy making a false doctrine that allows them to keep on sinning and still be saved. Basically, instead of believing and being transformed by the Spirit and the WORD OF GOD, they have shaped and conformed a false doctrine made in their own sinful image, and not after the holy image of the Son of God.
Click to expand...
1. No one is teaching a "sin all you want doctrine"
2. If we have to "stop sinning" to be saved. No one will be saved. Not to mention. Jesus would never have had to come die for us, BECAUSE WE COULD STOP SINNING, AND SAVE OURSELVES.

You spread the lie that people preach we can sin all we want,

Then say we must stop sinning, if we want to be saved. yet refuse to answer if you MEET that standard yourself.

then wonder why people come at you the way they do..
 
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

Banned
#99
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#99
So, to clear all this up once for all - answer this question - do you still sin from time to time?


InSpiritInTruth said:
The reason I do not answer is like I have said before..... What I am and what you are DO NOT MAKE THE WORDS OF GOD ANY LESS TRUE.

You simple minded people think that if you can prove me a sinner like yourself that this some how makes void the WORDS OF GOD which I preach? It does not! It might make you feel better about your own sinful condition, but what good is that?

And this is the mentality of the false grace message. They look at themselves and see their fallen condition and say, the WORDS OF GOD must not be true because I am still a sinner. So instead of believing the words of Jesus Christ and the apostles about being made free from sin and ceasing from sin, they instead make a false doctrine that excuses their sinful behavior= a sin all you want and still be saved doctrine.

Though they are no closer to salvation, at least they feel better about living a life style of ongoing sin. Thus they have justified themselves in their own eyes buy making a false doctrine that allows them to keep on sinning and still be saved. Basically, instead of believing and being transformed by the Spirit and the WORD OF GOD, they have shaped and conformed a false doctrine made in their own sinful image, and not after the holy image of the Son of God.
Click to expand...
okie dokie...so in other words you will not be honest with us that you do in fact still sin. You have created this yourself by not being honest with people here. This is why they don't agree with your "personal application" of some scriptures.

Personally I agree with a lot of what you say - it's the "personal application" of some things that doesn't jive with me.

Why not just be honest with the people here?
 
Ahwatukee

Ahwatukee

Senior Member
#100
Mar 12, 2015
11,159
2,373
113
#100
Morning Grace777,

If someone says that they still do not sin and never give into the flesh from time to time - well, they are deceived and their "personal application" of Romans 6:14-16 is skewed.
Click to expand...
Very true! Believers in Christ are covered sinners. The following should pretty much end the question:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us."
 
Status
Not open for further replies.