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John146

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I dont believe it has the meaning you are giving to it. I do not think it is about KJV or a book.

English is a global language only for a few decades. And KJV is obsolete already.

I see no reason why would God made his words "pure" in English instead of e.g. Greek that was spoken for 1500 years in roman empire.

Your belief has no logic and is very strange.
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Why did God wait 4,000 years to send His Son into the world to die on the cross? That's just not logical.

God's timing is perfect. The world was ripe for the harvest and the greatest missionary movements came about from the KJV. It's called the "fullness of times."
 
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Actually, those words were not the norm 400 years ago, but had already begun to be phased out of every day speech. The KJV translators wanted to be accurate as to who was speaking and to whom. These words make it more accurate. You should know that Willie.
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You'd sure have a hard time convincing Shakespeare of that, since he wrote during the same time period.
 
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John146 said:
Why did God wait 4,000 years to send His Son into the world to die on the cross? That's just not logical.

God's timing is perfect. The world was ripe for the harvest and the greatest missionary movements came about from the KJV. It's called the "fullness of times."
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The "fullness of times" you borrowed from the Bible is about the coming of Christ, not about the coming of KJV.

What were the greatest missionary movements can be a very biased view, together with what was the cause of it (reformation and enlightenment).

Do you realize that you dont have any proof, only theories? I can change the "KJV" word for every other possible name, e.g. "NIV" and use the same "arguments" you use saying only it was all about NIV.

1. There is no proof of your theories.
2. Even if your theories are right, there is no proof it is connected to KJV. What if the "perfect translation" will be the Chinese one? Chinese is spoken by more people than English.
 
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You'd sure have a hard time convincing Shakespeare of that, since he wrote during the same time period.
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He wanted to be accurate, plus the beauty of the English language actually meant something to him.
 
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You do realize all of your arguments are saying, "We don't have a perfect Bible. That's nuts. We don't have anything we can trust 100%."
 
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You do realize all of your arguments are saying, "We don't have a perfect Bible. That's nuts. We don't have anything we can trust 100%."
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No, we simply have people understanding that the Word of God is Jesus, and the words of God are preserved in the original manuscripts... (some, perhaps, not even discovered yet) NOT as a group of men a millennium later, trying to come up with a book their king ordered them to write, decided those original words should mean as reflected through the lens of opinions dictated by their esoteric personal Religious beliefs.
 
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No, we simply have people understanding that the Word of God is Jesus, and the words of God are preserved in the original manuscripts... (some, perhaps, not even discovered yet) NOT as a group of men a millennium later, trying to come up with a book their king ordered them to write, decided those original words should mean as reflected by the opinions dictated by their esoteric personal Religious beliefs.
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Preach it Willie! We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to reveal Christ the living Word in the translation that we are reading. If there is a bias from the translators - the Spirit will alert us to check out the Greek further.
 
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Has anyone ever read the translator's introduction to the KJV? No, not just the few paragraphs of ingratiating pandering to the king. But, the FULL 12,000+ word introduction. In that lengthy document, they admit that if they translated a word one way in any given place, then no mater the contextual implications that might indicate another meaning of that specific word in another part of the manuscript, they rendered the same English meaning in both incidences. We all now know that neither Hebrew nor Greek can be read that way without completely ripping apart many intended meanings.
 
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Not to mention the fact that many KJO's seem to think Jesus actually used words like 'Thee' 'Thy', 'Thine' and 'Thou', so we have to also use them today... even though those were simply the normal terms of speech used by everyday common people 400 years ago.
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Yeah kind of like those self proclaimed prophets, that prophesy in the old English...
 
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The world thinks it's foolishness too. I have personally spoken with several lost people who argue back that Christians have no absolute truth. We claim the Bible is absolute truth, but they know most Christians don't believe that. What do we have to offer the lost world? Part truth? 80% truth? 95% truth? Truth = 100%. Most on the board claim we don't have 100% truth preserved for us, only in the originals which we don't have. To me, that's spiritual foolishness.

Brother, if you really believed you had the pure words of God preserved in your grasp, you would be just as passionate about it and defending it against all other so called Bibles.
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Pssst....the Holy Spirit tells me the truth, its kinda his Job....
 
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You'd sure have a hard time convincing Shakespeare of that, since he wrote during the same time period.
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It has been suggested that king Jimmy had Shakespeare write portions of the KJV Bible....and specifically the parts that were unflattering to King Jimmy's life....These KJO christian rodeo clowns pound the table and honor the version, mandated by a man, who probably never made heaven....I mean if you study out ole King Jimmy, he was a pretty lawless, vindictive and horrid person, let alone King...
 
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Pssst....the Holy Spirit tells me the truth, its kinda his Job....
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So as you read through your Bible, the Holy Spirit tells you, "No, don't trust that verse, but you can trust this one"? Really? As I read my Bible the Holy Spirit tells me, yes, trust what you're reading and I'll teach you what it says.
 
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It has been suggested that king Jimmy had Shakespeare write portions of the KJV Bible....and specifically the parts that were unflattering to King Jimmy's life....These KJO christian rodeo clowns pound the table and honor the version, mandated by a man, who probably never made heaven....I mean if you study out ole King Jimmy, he was a pretty lawless, vindictive and horrid person, let alone King...
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Wow! He sounds like most of the authors God chose to write the originals...
 
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John146 said:
Sadly, you have nothing you can trust 100% besides your scholarship.
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Joyfully, happily, I trust in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ every moment of every day.

And for the Word of God, I use the original languages to check on what is presented in English and French versions. So grateful God preserved his Word in over 5000 manuscripts, and so many dedicated "scholars" have worked to translate it so we can have it in a form that is in contemporary language so we can understand it.

As for those billions of people who do not speak English, so happy that there are so many dedicated "scholars" who have translated the Greek and Hebrew into their languages, too!
 
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Angela53510 said:
Joyfully, happily, I trust in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ every moment of every day.

And for the Word of God, I use the original languages to check on what is presented in English and French versions. So grateful God preserved his Word in over 5000 manuscripts, and so many dedicated "scholars" have worked to translate it so we can have it in a form that is in contemporary language so we can understand it.

As for those billions of people who do not speak English, so happy that there are so many dedicated "scholars" who have translated the Greek and Hebrew into their languages, too!
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Amen, when God said He would preserve His word He wasn't playing around at all was He?
 
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Angela53510 said:
Joyfully, happily, I trust in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ every moment of every day.

And for the Word of God, I use the original languages to check on what is presented in English and French versions. So grateful God preserved his Word in over 5000 manuscripts, and so many dedicated "scholars" have worked to translate it so we can have it in a form that is in contemporary language so we can understand it.

As for those billions of people who do not speak English, so happy that there are so many dedicated "scholars" who have translated the Greek and Hebrew into their languages, too!
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God promised to preserve His pure and holy words, plural. I trust in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ as well, and I trust in the book that told me about Him.
 
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Wow! He sounds like most of the authors God chose to write the originals...
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Hardly.....if you read his history, you would stop sending offerings to Jack Chick and pick up a NASB.....

King Jimmy had a sinister ulterior motive in getting his own translation out there....yet you guys never care about history, as long as you can keep on dividing people on something as foolish and stupid as version....

Jesus is going to look at you one day and say...Really!?!? you placed a version over me!?!?!...you divided my body over what you thought was better!?!?!?? you used strife to condemn thousands over a version!?!?!......
 
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So as you read through your Bible, the Holy Spirit tells you, "No, don't trust that verse, but you can trust this one"? Really? As I read my Bible the Holy Spirit tells me, yes, trust what you're reading and I'll teach you what it says.
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No sir, you don't let the Spirit guide you, because you don't trust anything other than KJV, if you really had trust, version would mean nothing to you, and you would read and let the Spirit continue to reveal to you.....

You place trust in a translated book, I place trust in the Word...big difference between us>>>
 
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eph610 said:
No sir, you don't let the Spirit guide you, because you don't trust anything other than KJV, if you really had trust, version would mean nothing to you, and you would read and let the Spirit continue to reveal to you.....

You place trust in a translated book, I place trust in the Word...big difference between us>>>
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When you got saved, where you trusting in the book that told you about the Saviour, or the Saviour of the book? Can the two be separated?
 
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