The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.

[slave]

Christians if they miss the point miss it because of one element of false Doctrine that divides itself into two sections. The false Doctrine of "realizing falsely."

In relationship to understanding God it is that we underestimate Him. With Satan it becomes a twofold consideration: We underestimate him, and over estimate him. That's why Jesus says simply straightforward : "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."

Where Satan understands the odds of his lie to be best served in man as a forked-tongue. His message is a smear campaign: "God can do things, He can do many things, He just can't do all things." This way he hides both himself and God because he knows humans can be false- doctrined by either over estimating him in considering that to be correct, or underestimate him by thinking he is a devil with a trident plastic fork and some red tights, claiming God to be many good things inaccurately."Ah, poor devil has it wrong" syndrome. The devil is evil to the core! No hope found remotely in him. And carnality as his feeding tube to us.

God is perfect....period not almost perfect. And He has called us to be perfect. But again we get that wrong when we aren't thinking God can get it all right all the time, allowing Satan to debate us. God's purpose is not to perfect me to make me a trophy in His showcase; He is getting me to the place where He can use me, threw a perfect relationship, perfectly changing me unto Himself by the one perfect in the mix, perfectly mixed making me His outcome step by step.. False Doctrine then is anything that doesn't let God do what He wants.

 

[BenFTW]

I fail to see how the commandment to love and walking in love doesn't make salvation a work if we don't love perfectly. If love is the summation of the spiritual aspect of the Law and we are to observe this love, what if we fail to love all the time? Does not a person who doesn't forgive someone then not observe this spiritual aspect of the law? What of someone who curses at someone who cut them off on the highway? Is this person not acting in love? What happens when you don't observe the Law spiritually? How is this not a work? ..............................................................................

PS: Answer this KennethC, please.

 

[slave]

I fail to see how the commandment to love and walking in love doesn't make salvation a work if we don't love perfectly. If love is the summation of the spiritual aspect of the Law and we are to observe this love, what if we fail to love all the time? Does not a person who doesn't forgive someone then not observe this spiritual aspect of the law? What of someone who curses at someone who cut them off on the highway? Is this person not acting in love? What happens when you don't observe the Law spiritually? How is this not a work? ..............................................................................

PS: Answer this KennethC, please.

I'm not Kenneth but I wanted to faithfully add to his upcoming answer...smile. The difference ibetween success and failure lyes in the middle of your question: If we observe love we indeed are acting out, pretentiously. God said this is not the narrow purity He accepts, or wants for us to have, for He wants us to live a real simple life. We are asked to become love, then we aren't acting for the sake of love but simply responding to empowered love. Did you feel the stress leave in the difference? I did! And ironically the level of narrow purity grow?!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm happy that you are finally starting to investigate your accusations by attempting to find proof of your false allegations of me.

Actually, so far, your doctrine lines up very well with HR.

 

[just-me]

Actually, so far, your doctrine lines up very well with HR.

This speaks volumes as in like manner Jesus addressed the Pharisees who didn't believe in Him.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/121940-god-did-away-some-his-own-sayings-35.html#post2287682

I don't believe in all of the bible. In fact, I don't believe in the bible at all. I believe in Christ, i.e., the word of GOD. The bible is not the word of GOD; it is a book containing historical records of GOD's dealings with men. Christ is not a book, therefore the bible is not the word of GOD. The word of GOD is living and powerful and perfect; the bible is an imperfect, inanimate object. I believe everything written in the bible, but I do not believe in it. I believe in the one it witnesses about. Believing in the bible is idolatry; no idolater has life abiding in them.

You search the Scriptures, for you think you have eternal life in them; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40
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Stated in a modern context:

You search the bible because you think you have eternal life in it; and this is that which witnesses of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40
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So you err by teaching that the bible is the word of GOD.

John 5:39-47 (KJV) Let's take this to the end of the chapter
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[ukok102nak]

please do not be confused with this teachings that were also a part of the holy scriptures
for even in our country
most of the people there doesnt know a thing about this doctrine!
about the lord god the father almighty who is good and doesnt lie were just one of those many doctines weve learned and
if we may say that we dont have a religion
like organized religions that are existing within this period of our present time!

but some of us came from different beliefs and religions although we sometimes dont agree with each others, we have one common goal!!

sorry if we didnt say this before
and to a my breathrens and my fellows out there
especially to all the people here
the lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie
( for he cannot lie even before the time was )
always bless us through his only begotten son
our lord christ jesus our savior when the time comes
he . ... all those who believed and worked according to his will
for
John: 4. 23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. 24. God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.

see no jews nor gentiles and even any sects or religions
meaning something like love that people dont forced upon their selves!

nothing cometh before the father exept through
our lord christ jesus the only begotten son!!

how? everyone has its own understandings on what the scriptures says
because we dont want to be a dictators just like those . ... from before and even until now? we hope one acts like that at this hour or from this present time of ours.

work out our salvation . ...
and by the
love of god please do so

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This speaks volumes as in like manner Jesus addressed the Pharisees who didn't believe in Him.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/121940-god-did-away-some-his-own-sayings-35.html#post2287682

You are a play actor IMO.

 

[ukok102nak]

please do not be confused with this teachings that were also a part of the holy scriptures
for even in our country
most of the people there doesnt know a thing about this doctrine!
about the lord god the father almighty who is good and doesnt lie were just one of those many doctines weve learned and
if we may say that we dont have a religion
like organized religions that are existing within this period of our present time!

but some of us came from different beliefs and religions although we sometimes dont agree with each others, we have one common goal!!

sorry if we didnt say this before
and to a my breathrens and my fellows out there
especially to all the people here
the lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie
( for he cannot lie even before the time was )
always bless us through his only begotten son
our lord christ jesus our savior when the time comes
he . ... all those who believed and worked according to his will
for
John: 4. 23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. 24. God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.

see no jews nor gentiles and even any sects or religions
meaning something like love that people dont forced upon their selves!

nothing cometh before the father exept through
our lord christ jesus the only begotten son!!

how? everyone has its own understandings on what the scriptures says
because we dont want to be a dictators just like those . ... from before and even until now? we hope one acts like that at this hour or from this present time of ours.

work out our salvation . ...
and by the
love of god please do so

we hope? maybe we dont want to be in that hope that theirs stiil a dictator from each
sects and religions!

this is what they call language barrier
because one of those many things that our brothers trying to tell us
becomes more questions rather than to be a message

 

[just-me]

You can't totally believe in something that you don't totally believe. You cannot totally believe in Christ (Him being the complete Word of God) if you do not totally believe all of God's spoken word (whether you understand it or not [no one knows it all except Jesus Himself]), for Jesus is the epitome, and completeness, of all the Word. Totally!

see this post

Sad, but necessary, another divisive person has been added to my ignore list.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17

I didn't want to do it, but according to the Word of God, it is commanded.

Let's start all over again with the OP and demand to have a peaceful conversation of Biblical truth and edify each other as God intends His children to do.

Remember.…. “God is not the author of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14:33
The last part of this verse is to the true Church, not many organizations of men. God’s Church, made up of many congregations of true Christians/believers/saints, was meant to reflect peace, not confusion as we see today. “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.”

A misunderstanding/misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 12 is the catalyst for the spread of this plague, and it is very serious. This teaching that is “we agree to disagree” and “there are many routes to heaven” and “there are many spokes in the wheel of salvation” mindset. They permeate the air within the realm numerous denominations that differ from others. People sincerely believe these clichés but they completely contradict the truth.

Consider these scriptures written by Paul to two different congregations.

“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” Colossians 1:18

“And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:22-23

"Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:3-6

There is no way these passages can be confused as meaning anything but the all-encompassing unity required of God’s people. Remember how Christ prayed for this unity in John 17?

It is widely accepted that the Church is a ‘type’ of Christ’s own Body and as its head He builds and governs it. Acts chapter 2 describes the Body as being unified in both love and doctrinal truth. There can be no denying that this passage shows that the entire Church (“whole body” and “every part”) must be walking together in complete doctrinal agreement under Christ’s authority.

Rejecting even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace is where division begins, because rejecting certain parts of His given word to us is in actuality rejecting of His grace. This rejection is carnal, for the carnal mind is enmity against God.

 

[gb9]

You can't totally believe in something that you don't totally believe. You cannot totally believe in Christ (Him being the complete Word of God) if you do not totally believe all of God's spoken word (whether you understand it or not [no one knows it all except Jesus Himself]), for Jesus is the epitome, and completeness, of all the Word. Totally!

see this post

Sad, but necessary, another divisive person has been added to my ignore list.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17

I didn't want to do it, but according to the Word of God, it is commanded.

Let's start all over again with the OP and demand to have a peaceful conversation of Biblical truth and edify each other as God intends His children to do.

I do not know if I am on your ignore list or not. ( I am not aware that I am on anyone's, so this could be a first) but I might be after this. let me translate what you said : if a person does not believe the O.T. law still applies to Christ followers today, then they are not saved, oh and anyone who disagrees with ME, not the Bible but me, I will pluck out Romans 16 17 to reason that if someone disagrees with me, then they are dissing the Bible. this is sickening arrogance, and lies, and false teaching, and you should repent of the disgraceful behavior.

 

[just-us-2]

Hmmm, what was the point of this thread again? I seem to have lost track with all the contention.

 

[just-us-2]

I do not know if I am on your ignore list or not. ( I am not aware that I am on anyone's, so this could be a first) but I might be after this. let me translate what you said : if a person does not believe the O.T. law still applies to Christ followers today, then they are not saved, oh and anyone who disagrees with ME, not the Bible but me, I will pluck out Romans 16 17 to reason that if someone disagrees with me, then they are dissing the Bible. this is sickening arrogance, and lies, and false teaching, and you should repent of the disgraceful behavior.

Speaking of arrogance...! You are now on my ignore list just so you don't feel left out.

 

[BenFTW]

You can't totally believe in something that you don't totally believe. You cannot totally believe in Christ (Him being the complete Word of God) if you do not totally believe all of God's spoken word (whether you understand it or not [no one knows it all except Jesus Himself]), for Jesus is the epitome, and completeness, of all the Word. Totally!

see this post

Sad, but necessary, another divisive person has been added to my ignore list.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17

I didn't want to do it, but according to the Word of God, it is commanded.

Let's start all over again with the OP and demand to have a peaceful conversation of Biblical truth and edify each other as God intends His children to do.

You keep ignoring people because you are commanded to avoid them which cause division contrary to the doctrine you have learned. The sad thing is, the doctrine you have learned is false. So don't try and use God's word to justify your ignorance.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hmmm, what was the point of this thread again? I seem to have lost track with all the contention.

The point of the thread is to cause contention...

 

[just-me]

I do not know if I am on your ignore list or not. ( I am not aware that I am on anyone's, so this could be a first) but I might be after this. let me translate what you said : if a person does not believe the O.T. law still applies to Christ followers today, then they are not saved, oh and anyone who disagrees with ME, not the Bible but me, I will pluck out Romans 16 17 to reason that if someone disagrees with me, then they are dissing the Bible. this is sickening arrogance, and lies, and false teaching, and you should repent of the disgraceful behavior.

Quote me to prove your allegations as follows.
1. "if a person does not believe the O.T. law still applies to Christ followers today, then they are not saved."
2. "anyone who disagrees with ME, not the Bible but me, I will pluck out Romans 16:17"

If a person denies the Word of God in any detail, I then would say repentance from that attitude is necessary because it is against the ministry of Christ. I'm not insinuating that person isn't saved in this respect, I'm endorsing the words of Jesus when He quoted Deuteronomy to Satan. It's not my words that I believe in, but it might be your words you believe in. Just taking note of fruit.

Jesus said; "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

Moses said, (because he knew the truth) "man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Deuteronomy 8:3

One should pause for a moment. Was Jesus actually quoting Moses?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sad, but necessary, another divisive person has been added to my ignore list.

Good. That will allow us to openly refute your blasphemy without having to put up with your responses

 

[eternally-gratefull]

they keep ignoring anyone, they wont have anyone to talk to.

Sad that they have to ignore anyone who does not agree with them.

Their self righteousness is amazing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder if the chat room can ignore them?

 

[just-me]

2 Timothy 3:1-4
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Timothy 3:1-4
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

here is another person that needs to practice what he preaches..

And look up the word hypocrite. it might help you.