The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.

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You said good stuff here. Now, I would like to ask you something related but not precisely pertaining in detail to any particular comment you made. I believe, and I think you do too, that true believers are the Body of Christ. Do you think we can differ on doctrinal issues such as you and I do and still both be in the Body of Christ?
Yes. To belong to the body of Christ is to believe in the only begotten Son of God - to confess him as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead . . . that is being born again of the Spirit and makes us sons of God and members together in the household of God.
 
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Yes. To belong to the body of Christ is to believe in the only begotten Son of God - to confess him as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead . . . that is being born again of the Spirit and makes us sons of God and members together in the household of God.
I see. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.
 
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Do you think we can differ on doctrinal issues such as you and I do and still both be in the Body of Christ? :cool:
No. I have to believe what God has told us in His Word.
1 Corinthians 1:10 (NAS)
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I don't see how this could work if people don't totally agree.
Ephesians 4:16 (NAS) from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.


 
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No. I have to believe what God has told us in His Word.
1 Corinthians 1:10 (NAS)
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I don't see how this could work if people don't totally agree.
Ephesians 4:16 (NAS) from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
Well, I know whom you think is in the body of Christ and who isn't . . . I still believe we both are.
 
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#86
we have discerned our Father's Love in both of your hearts on many occasions -

many years ago, when Christ asked us to come into His heart, we had so many
false conceptions about doctrines and likewise so did many of the original disciples....
so I guess we were in 'good company' :)
they even argued about who was the 'greatest', but even so, the Spirit was not
IN them at that time, but IT was 'with them'....
ultimately, it is always God's judgment call of where we are in our journey and what
needs to be corrected and refined and when that will be done.....

many times on this forum, we will give people 'likes', even though on certain points we
absolutely disagree on points of doctrine, but we do this in order to imitate
Christ's behavior, because all through out the scriptures, especially the Book of the Kings,
the king can be so depraved and wicked, and yet, if he turns and does just the smallest
act of kindness or repentance or gives a righteous gesture, God rewards him....
in other words, our Father empathizes and lets them know that that have done something good
and then they may be able to build on that foundation of that spark of goodness...

may we encourage one another, and let Jesus Christ be the judge of where we are in our journey of Love....
for He alone hung on that tree imparting His glory and He alone calls us His own....
 
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There are those who are given to the church who are equipped and gifted with the ability to rightly divide the word of truth. Read Ephesians 4 and see if you don't come out with the same conclusion. Those who have been given as a gift to the church we are to put our self under to receive the teachings that they have been given by God from above to edify and build up the body of Christ. We are to be edified and built up together as a habitation of God through the Spirit as one body having one Lord and one faith motivated by the love of God through the Holy Spirit in our hearts. This is how we grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ together as one body having all things in common and participating in the work of the ministry with the diversity of gifts that are given to each member in that one body.

This kind of teaching that we receive from those that God has given to the church keeps us from every wind and doctrine that brings in confusion and division among the members. We are to be like minded and to have the same heart towards one another and in order for that to happen we have to have the same teaching. The mind of Christ is not divided and Christ is the head of the body. When the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth that same truth is not divided nor does it cause division or confusion amongst the members of Christ's body.
 
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Please elaborate. Thank you very much.
according to the scripture thre is a god of this world who is a liar.

and i am very certain that our
lord god the father almighty doesnt lie and

Hebrews: 6. 18. That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have the strongest comfort, who have fled for refuge to hold fast the hope set before us.

Titus: 1. 2. Unto the hope of life everlasting, which God, who lieth not, hath promised before the times of the world:


how can we be unite when there is a
god that ``was a liar before the old time``

John: 8. 44. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.


thats the reason why we always give thanks to
our lord god the father whos is good and doesnt lie.


we hope this verse will be enough
to prove our claimeds about
what the false doctrine telling to a
christian like most of you here.


thank you very much.
 
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Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever

Do you think we can differ on doctrinal issues such as you and I do and still both be in the Body of Christ? :cool:
No. I have to believe what God has told us in His Word.
1 Corinthians 1:10 (NAS)
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I don't see how this could work if people don't totally agree.
Ephesians 4:16 (NAS) from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
But don't we become members in the body of Christ by being baptized by one Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ?
 
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'THE TOWER OF BABEL'
they were so unified in their purpose that God had to come down and intervene.

Gen.11:5-7.
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
And the Lord said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what
they begin to do; now nothing that they purpose to do will be withheld from them.
(these evil men were in such unity that God recognized they would accomplish their purpose
and it would have literally changed prophetic history.)
((here is a very sad point)), even in here,in CC, a 'common righteous unity' cannot seem to be reached,
How our Lord must have wept when He declared -
LUKE 16:8.
And the Lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world
are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

it is written again,
Jesus Wept.

If we cannot continually attain a unity in just good manners, respect, and kindness/tolerance
towards one another, then we do not even attain to the wisdom of the wicked -
we should go out and weep bitterly and put on sack-cloth and ashes.....

Sadly the largest problem is so called Christian unity is that they are not united in gospel.

ie. We are not all brothers and sisters. We have alot of wannabees.

Therre can be no unity in action, when your not even unified in spirit
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Do you have the heart for us all to be united within all of God's word instead of just part of it? "Mark them that cause division among you."
Yes we do. And it goes deeper than this, It goes to correct intepretation fo Gods word and how it applies to our life. Not just one groups interpretation.
 
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No. I have to believe what God has told us in His Word.
1 Corinthians 1:10 (NAS)
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I don't see how this could work if people don't totally agree.
Ephesians 4:16 (NAS) from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.


Here is why their is division.

Leave it to the two people who started the thread to cause division. They are so blinded by their own pride they can not even see what they are doing.

here is their true intention,

Believe as I do. or else you are causing division.
 
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But don't we become members in the body of Christ by being baptized by one Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ?
Sadly from what I have seen, I am not sure they believe that in heart.. Even if they say they do.
 

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well one thing we do appear to have established. Each of us thinks, 'I am right and all the rest are wrong. Thus unity will only be found if everyone else drops his false doctrine and believes what I believe !!! '
 
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amen, valiant,

please, let the one who has 'perfect understanding and everything right',

COME FORWARD!!!!!

the only problem is, if there was really one like this, they would be STONED or HUNG on a tree....

great sadness comes when we read the heart-felt witness of true believers, feel their joy and
then we have to read the jealous deniers who mock and rail against what they cannot understand...
even so, let us love and pray for the ones who have yet to experience God's grace -

if we become entrapped in un-profitable conversation with those who are antagonizing in wicked conversation,
we put ourselves on an equal footing with them, and then we become their
disciples.
 
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This is the foundation that will begin to heal the division in the body that leads to agreement. It's a start whoever wants to adhere to these principles, and then we can begin to mature together.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22

If we refuse to be circumcised in heart to the same persuasion that the original believing Jews in Christ adhered to, and demand a different persuasion, (including all original scriptures they studied), I believe it's a contradiction to say we have been grafted into the true vine, while at the same time we are believing differently than the original Jewish persuasion manifested in scripture given to us "for salvation is of the Jews."

The RCC says salvation is through the church of the Gentiles. That's a clear contradiction of scripture.
The stranger and sojourner were circumcised into the Israelites, and were to adhere to their doctrine according to God's commandments. If they refused to do that, they were not part of the body. That spiritual concept hasn't changed in the New Covenant according to Jesus words in John 4:22

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 12:49

Investigate the original and see for yourself by looking into this perfect law of liberty and rightly determining the chronology of God's truth. We have a choice to take it, or leave it, and then the fruit is revealed to the true body of Christ.


A Gentile didn't pay for your debts.
 
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This is the foundation that will begin to heal the division in the body that leads to agreement. It's a start whoever wants to adhere to these principles, and then we can begin to mature together.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22

If we refuse to be circumcised in heart to the same persuasion that the original believing Jews in Christ adhered to, and demand a different persuasion, (including all original scriptures they studied), I believe it's a contradiction to say we have been grafted into the true vine, while at the same time we are believing differently than the original Jewish persuasion manifested in scripture given to us "for salvation is of the Jews."

The RCC says salvation is through the church of the Gentiles. That's a clear contradiction of scripture.
The stranger and sojourner were circumcised into the Israelites, and were to adhere to their doctrine according to God's commandments. If they refused to do that, they were not part of the body. That spiritual concept hasn't changed in the New Covenant according to Jesus words in John 4:22

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 12:49

Investigate the original and see for yourself by looking into this perfect law of liberty and rightly determining the chronology of God's truth. We have a choice to take it, or leave it, and then the fruit is revealed to the true body of Christ.


A Gentile didn't pay for your debts.
You're a follower of the Hebrew Roots cult, aren't you? Thank GOD your posts are so confusing that no one could get a handle on them if they tried.
 
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You do understand just-me that because the Jewish people rejected Jesus Christ as God, God has turned everything over to the Gentiles.

Paul was given the task of bring the Gospel of Salvation to the Gentiles. This is the time of the Gentiles, not the Jewish people. Their time is still in the Future when the Anti-Christ rules the World. Until then its the Gentiles who proclaim Jesus throught out the whole world, not the Jews.
 

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This is the foundation that will begin to heal the division in the body that leads to agreement. It's a start whoever wants to adhere to these principles, and then we can begin to mature together.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22

If we refuse to be circumcised in heart to the same persuasion that the original believing Jews in Christ adhered to, and demand a different persuasion, (including all original scriptures they studied), I believe it's a contradiction to say we have been grafted into the true vine, while at the same time we are believing differently than the original Jewish persuasion manifested in scripture given to us "for salvation is of the Jews."


Are you seriously suggesting tht you have to become a Jew in order to be saved? Salvation is 'of the Jews' because the prophets prepared the way, the Jewish Messiah died for us and rose again, and Jewish Apostles revealed to us the truths of salvation.

It was they who formed the true Israel spoken of by Paul in Rom 9-11, the true Israel founded on the election of Israel and supplemented by those Gentiles who became Israelites by submitting to the Messiah. The true church today (NOT the RC Church) is the continuation of the true Israel. In that sense salvation is of the Jews. But it is not found in following Jewish teaching.

The RCC says salvation is through the church of the Gentiles.
There is no such thing as a church of the Gentiles. The church was founded on the Jewish Apostles, and anyone who truly believes in the Messiah becomes an Israelite proselyte.


That's a clear contradiction of scripture.

The stranger and sojourner were circumcised into the Israelites, and were to adhere to their doctrine according to God's commandments. If they refused to do that, they were not part of the body. That spiritual concept hasn't changed in the New Covenant according to Jesus words in John 4:22
No they were to adhere to the teachings of the prophets, not of the Jews. And those teaching find their full revelation in the New Testament.

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 12:49
Yes it is found in the New Testament.

Investigate the original and see for yourself by looking into this perfect law of liberty and rightly determining the chronology of God's truth. We have a choice to take it, or leave it, and then the fruit is revealed to the true body of Christ.
which is precisely what we have done which is why we do not follow Jewish ways. Psalm 119 reveals the true way of looking at the Law as a joyous expression of the mind of God.

A Gentile didn't pay for your debts.
Neither did a Jew. The One Who paid for our debts was the eternal Son of God. He was so much more than a Jew. Had He ben just a Jew He could not have paid our debts.
 
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This is the foundation that will begin to heal the division in the body that leads to agreement. It's a start whoever wants to adhere to these principles, and then we can begin to mature together.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22

If we refuse to be circumcised in heart to the same persuasion that the original believing Jews in Christ adhered to, and demand a different persuasion, (including all original scriptures they studied), I believe it's a contradiction to say we have been grafted into the true vine, while at the same time we are believing differently than the original Jewish persuasion manifested in scripture given to us "for salvation is of the Jews."

The RCC says salvation is through the church of the Gentiles. That's a clear contradiction of scripture.
The stranger and sojourner were circumcised into the Israelites, and were to adhere to their doctrine according to God's commandments. If they refused to do that, they were not part of the body. That spiritual concept hasn't changed in the New Covenant according to Jesus words in John 4:22

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 12:49

Investigate the original and see for yourself by looking into this perfect law of liberty and rightly determining the chronology of God's truth. We have a choice to take it, or leave it, and then the fruit is revealed to the true body of Christ.


A Gentile didn't pay for your debts.
Salvation is of God. Adam was saved by God, as was noah and abraham for there were no jew in their day.

lets be of the faith of abraham. Not the Roman catholic church, or the jewish movement, But of God.