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Anyway i still love you EG even though I don't agree with you. How about we come to an agreement? I will pray that God will open your eyes and you pray that God open mine and we will come back when one or the other of us. sees something differently from those verses than what we see now? Gotta get some things done. leaving town this weekend to visit the in laws. ttyl 
thanks for not judging me and condemning me like some people do..
but this specifically says that scripture was at that time fulfilled (unless you're talking about the part which describes the spirit of grace and supplication poured out - which happened at Pentecost - which is when Peter preached and they were convicted, as well as whenever Jesus blessed and healed and ppl believed - GRACE AND TRUTH).
this is about looking on him whom they pierced.
John 19
Jesus Delivered to Be Crucified
1Then Pilate took Jesus and flogged him. 2And the soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head and arrayed him in a purple robe. 3They came up to him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!” and struck him with their hands. 4Pilate went out again and said to them, “See, I am bringing him out to you that you may know that I find no guilt in him.” 5So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Behold the man!” 6When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no guilt in him.” 7The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.” 8When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid. 9He entered his headquarters again and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” 11Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
12From then on Pilate sought to release him, but the Jews cried out, “If you release this man, you are not Caesar’s friend. Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar.” 13So when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Stone Pavement, and in Aramaica Gabbatha. 14Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour.b He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” 15They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” 16So he delivered him over to them to be crucified.
The Crucifixion
So they took Jesus, 17and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called The Place of a Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha. 18There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, and Jesus between them. 19Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.” 20Many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Aramaic, in Latin, and in Greek. 21So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but rather, ‘This man said, I am King of the Jews.’” 22Pilate answered, “What I have written I have written.”
23When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier; also his tunic.c But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom, 24so they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it shall be.” This was to fulfill the Scripture which says,
“They divided my garments among them,
and for my clothing they cast lots.”
So the soldiers did these things, 25but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
The Death of Jesus
28After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” 29A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. 30When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
31Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
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25but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
i am certain there was mourning going on there.
the scripture does NOT say the bad guys who had hard hearts would look upon Him and mourn.
it says they (doesn't say who they are) will look upon Him whom they (prolly the bad guys) pierced; and they (whoever knew it was Jesus and mourned) will mourn for Him.
so, bad guys pierced him, a few had changed hearts (the thief), (the soldier who pierced his side) and the others.
and some mourned.
easy, seems like.
especially since it says:
For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
this is about looking on him whom they pierced.
John 19
Jesus Delivered to Be Crucified
1Then Pilate took Jesus and flogged him. 2And the soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head and arrayed him in a purple robe. 3They came up to him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!” and struck him with their hands. 4Pilate went out again and said to them, “See, I am bringing him out to you that you may know that I find no guilt in him.” 5So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Behold the man!” 6When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no guilt in him.” 7The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.” 8When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid. 9He entered his headquarters again and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” 11Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
12From then on Pilate sought to release him, but the Jews cried out, “If you release this man, you are not Caesar’s friend. Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar.” 13So when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Stone Pavement, and in Aramaica Gabbatha. 14Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour.b He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” 15They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” 16So he delivered him over to them to be crucified.
The Crucifixion
So they took Jesus, 17and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called The Place of a Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha. 18There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, and Jesus between them. 19Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.” 20Many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Aramaic, in Latin, and in Greek. 21So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but rather, ‘This man said, I am King of the Jews.’” 22Pilate answered, “What I have written I have written.”
23When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier; also his tunic.c But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom, 24so they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it shall be.” This was to fulfill the Scripture which says,
“They divided my garments among them,
and for my clothing they cast lots.”
So the soldiers did these things, 25but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
The Death of Jesus
28After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” 29A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. 30When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
31Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
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25but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
i am certain there was mourning going on there.
the scripture does NOT say the bad guys who had hard hearts would look upon Him and mourn.
it says they (doesn't say who they are) will look upon Him whom they (prolly the bad guys) pierced; and they (whoever knew it was Jesus and mourned) will mourn for Him.
so, bad guys pierced him, a few had changed hearts (the thief), (the soldier who pierced his side) and the others.
and some mourned.
easy, seems like.
especially since it says:
For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
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slam dunk?
what has been done to romans 10 - 11 by ammills is a horrifying idea which takes words and peoples out of context.
acts 13 does not slamdunk anything.
all acts 13 does is try to prove to the people if isreal the salvic nature of things God promised in the OT.. it does not slam dunk anything.
my people are getting an attitude now adays! thats why this topic is so dangerous, it brings out the worst in people!
oh look it says Zechariah was actually fulfilled in Christ's Time.
John 19
Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
31Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
course nobody mourned for Him...certainly not his mother or john or the other marys. nope - they partied.
John 19
So the soldiers did these things, 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
and these people weren't mourning and lamenting for him: there followed him a great multitude of the people and of women who were mourning and lamenting for him.
Luke 23
The Crucifixion
26 And as they led him away, they seized one Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, and laid on him the cross, to carry it behind Jesus. 27 And there followed him a great multitude of the people and of women who were mourning and lamenting for him. 28 But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
nope THEY REJOICED AND HAD A PARTY!
John 19
Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
31Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
course nobody mourned for Him...certainly not his mother or john or the other marys. nope - they partied.
John 19
So the soldiers did these things, 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
and these people weren't mourning and lamenting for him: there followed him a great multitude of the people and of women who were mourning and lamenting for him.
Luke 23
The Crucifixion
26 And as they led him away, they seized one Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, and laid on him the cross, to carry it behind Jesus. 27 And there followed him a great multitude of the people and of women who were mourning and lamenting for him. 28 But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
nope THEY REJOICED AND HAD A PARTY!
it's shameful and disgraceful and people who can't be bothered to actually read the Gospels are without excuse.
an embarassment to Christianity these who say they have been studying for 30 years and are now teachers and leaders and don't have a clue what the Bible says.
in fact they lie about it.
oh well....they are without excuse.
party on.
an embarassment to Christianity these who say they have been studying for 30 years and are now teachers and leaders and don't have a clue what the Bible says.
in fact they lie about it.
oh well....they are without excuse.
party on.
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well that makes more sense (in your way of thinking)... still don't agree but I didn't know why you would think "them" needed saving from Judah.......I still take it to mean He raised JESUS and give him a new body/tent first and then raised the rest of the dead saints of Israel and gave them bodies/tents but I doubt we will agree...
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lol. yes,, Not saved from Judah, But saved Judah from them.
as for the rest.. I am not saved from anyone but myself. No one caused my spiritual death but me (maybe adam since I am in him, but only up until I commited my first sin, then i caused my own death) I sinned, I caused my own spiritual death, and only christ can save me.. I have no army trying to kill me,. I killed myself. so if we are talking a salvic interpretation of this passage, I would be the army, and God saved me from myself.
does not make sense literally, or symbolically. God calls them army, not soldiers.
so again, it does not make sense in the prophesy, if we really look at it.
so again, it would not fit..
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hmm.. wonder if I should report someone who responded to me again.. Seems like they can't do what they demand someone else do for them.
Zone, get over yourself!
The gospel is what saves all people from adam until the last man on earth. it is the same Gospel. it is Christ. no other name in heaven by which men must be saved.
You can scream, lie, yell, post all your propoganda and conspiracy theories all you want. You will not prove I teach a different gospel.
now do what you demanded I do to you. and stop talking to me, and responding to my posts! (reformatting them to try to hide the fact you are responding to me will not help you. all it does is prove your deviance and manipulation.. and why people refuse to chasten you and your ways is beyond me.. It is causing undue division in Gods church and this chatroom!
Zone, get over yourself!
The gospel is what saves all people from adam until the last man on earth. it is the same Gospel. it is Christ. no other name in heaven by which men must be saved.
You can scream, lie, yell, post all your propoganda and conspiracy theories all you want. You will not prove I teach a different gospel.
now do what you demanded I do to you. and stop talking to me, and responding to my posts! (reformatting them to try to hide the fact you are responding to me will not help you. all it does is prove your deviance and manipulation.. and why people refuse to chasten you and your ways is beyond me.. It is causing undue division in Gods church and this chatroom!
screaming, lying, yelling, propoganda and conspiracy theories....accused of these things....because i agree with Jesus.
that sounds vaguely familiar.
but anyways:
Luke 24
On the Road to Emmaus
13That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven milesa from Jerusalem, 14and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. 18Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?” 19And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. 22Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, 23and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” 25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
that sounds vaguely familiar.
but anyways:
Luke 24
On the Road to Emmaus
13That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven milesa from Jerusalem, 14and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. 18Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?” 19And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. 22Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, 23and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” 25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Perhaps it would be better if you were not so critical of others and what they believe concerning the first and second comings. Talk and discuss yes. You do have a problem with the specifics of Zechariah 12 but that is your understanding and it does not negate the doctrine the church has been given concerning Jerusalem and the covenant God has established with those of Israel. You may convince some of your own doctrine but the doctrine of the church of whom Christ is the head will remain as a pillar of the truth and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. I look forward to the day when God has his way with Israel and restores them when they finally lay their eyes and behold the lamb of God whom they have pierced. In that day their will be great mourning for they will see him as he is and their mourning will be turned into joy. That is the great deliverer doing his work and fulfilling his word of promise.
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Zone?? You never answered my questions. I noticed many translations state "in that day". While EG uses "on that day". What is the refference of day in correlation to time. A specific day? a time period? I do agree John 19, has fulfilled part of Zechariah 12. Just not sure all of the prophecy is has been fulfilled.
Guess my view in this is that their is no such single day, Day is period time just like it was in on the first day in Genesis. Zechariah is not written in chronological order but rather a set of events that will take place during this time period. Each time the term "in that day" is used it is stating other events that are going to be occuring within that time frame.
So in Zechariah when it says "I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem". I can see past and present on this.
So I am very curious as to what you think are the symbolic meanings of Judah, Jerusalem and House of David,
Guess my view in this is that their is no such single day, Day is period time just like it was in on the first day in Genesis. Zechariah is not written in chronological order but rather a set of events that will take place during this time period. Each time the term "in that day" is used it is stating other events that are going to be occuring within that time frame.
So in Zechariah when it says "I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem". I can see past and present on this.
So I am very curious as to what you think are the symbolic meanings of Judah, Jerusalem and House of David,