The Future Of Christ's Naughty Followers

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Who is a liar but he/she that Denieth that Jesus is the Christ? he/she is antichrist, that Denieth the Father and the Son.

Indeed.... Naughty naughty!
Well, that is a false accusation. I do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah or the Christ. I also believe Jesus is fully 100% God and 100% man. I believe Christ (The Eternal Word) came down into the flesh of a man to die for man's sins so as to offer man the free gift of salvation. Jesus then rose from the grave 3 days later so as to give us a new resurrected life in Him. Jesus (the Word) is the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity. For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost (1 John 5:7 KJV). The Word or Christ before the Incarnation had always existed eternally as a part of the Godhead.
 
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People see what they want to see. I don't need to defend myself, for the Lord will defend me and God's people (who know me) will defend me.

Your own words trap you Jason.. for you speak of those who 'deny the Power of God' as being not equal to you. you --------> 'without sin'...... and you full of the Power of God....... YET when asked if You Genuinely Have been Baptized in the Holy Ghost by Jesus the Christ , God manifest in the Flesh, WITH THE EVIDENCE THEREBY.. you deny Him.. your own words condemn you.. in the Book of Acts.. there was a 'man who went around doing what you do'.. a man manifesting himself as a great man of God.. but when confronted.. they found out who he really was.. indeed.. I believe his name was Simon the sorcerer... indeed!
 
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Your own words trap you Jason.. for you speak of those who 'deny the Power of God' as being not equal to you. you --------> 'without sin'...... and you full of the Power of God....... YET when asked if You Genuinely Have been Baptized in the Holy Ghost by Jesus the Christ , God manifest in the Flesh, WITH THE EVIDENCE THEREBY.. you deny Him.. your own words condemn you.. in the Book of Acts.. there was a 'man who went around doing what you do'.. a man manifesting himself as a great man of God.. but when confronted.. they found out who he really was.. indeed.. I believe his name was Simon the sorcerer... indeed!
Read Titus 2:11-12 and 2 Timothy 3:1-9, 2 Peter 2:1, 14. True believers are separate and different from those of this world are those false believers who remain in their wickedness or sin. Again, it is not the believer's righteousness but it is God who works His righteousness within the believer.
 
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Christ's NAUGHTY followers, were really never Christs to begin with.. so very simple.. Those who are Genuinely Christs , were His From the very Beginning, before Dirt and Time were Created, Decreed, by the Father, so that no man's carnal hands could claim them.. as they hold out jesus upon jesus upon jesus, that is all cut up!

No Man, No predicament, No Suffering, No Trial or tribulation, Not even Death itself. can 'tear' you from the Father's Hands.. nope!
 
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Read Titus 2:11-12 and 2 Timothy 3:1-9, 2 Peter 2:1, 14. True believers are separate and different from those of this world are those false believers who remain in their wickedness or sin. Again, it is not the believer's righteousness but it is God who works His righteousness within the believer.
you deny Him Jason.. you truly do. as Someone who claims to have this great Power , yet when confronted with the REality of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost by Christ.. you DENY Him.. we know... sorry .....carry on wayward son...
 
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I am wishing nothing but good things to you in Christ Jesus.
 
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I am wishing nothing but good things to you in Christ Jesus.

sorry Jason.. I know our cunningness. indeed... a skilled Warrior in Warfare is not ignorant of those who come masquerading as 'light'.. indeed.. your face in your picture , the eyes.. give you away.. indeed!
 
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Peace, love, and blessings be upon you from the Lord.
 
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sorry Jason.. I know our cunningness. indeed... a skilled Warrior in Warfare is not ignorant of those who come masquerading as 'light'.. indeed.. your face in your picture , the eyes.. give you away.. indeed!

I'm not sure it's appropriate, loving, or kind to engage in personal insults on message boards. If you have an issue with another person, deal with that person respectfully and privately. Trying to publicly shame someone is not remotely Christlike.
 

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Folks don't really seem to realize or think about the fact that the 600
thousand Israelites who were delivered by the way of the Red Sea had fallen
in the wilderness later on and were not allowed to enter the Promised
Land.
Although everyone over the age of twenty was forced to die in the wilderness
except for Joshua and Caleb; none were sent back to die in Egypt. In other
words: God didn't un-save them.

The passage below has been deliberately revised. See if you can spot the
changes.

†. Rom 8:12-13 . .Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation-- but it is not
to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the
sinful nature, you will be un-saved; but if by the Spirit you put to death the
misdeeds of the body, you will be saved.

FYI: Though God sentenced His people's adults to die in the wilderness; He
never once abandoned them, and He went right on providing for them too.
And though Aaron was one of those to die, God didn't decommission his
priesthood; nor shut down any of the Tabernacle services.

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I'm not sure it's appropriate, loving, or kind to engage in personal insults on message boards. If you have an issue with another person, deal with that person respectfully and privately. Trying to publicly shame someone is not remotely Christlike.
Trying to publicly shame someone is not remotely Christlike.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

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MMMMM did Jesus send emails or call the Scribes and Pharisees into private counsel? NO. this was Public.. and it irritated the brood of vipers, they were.. . not only Jesus did this but John the Baptist also.. publicly in front of hundreds.. indeed!

some words of Wisdom from the Master, who is the Wisdom of God...



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Jason makes it his motive and mission to send all those who dont 'believe' in his heresy hunt.... an email.. condemning them and linking them with the 'heresy' he hunts.. a Pharisee at its utmost.. sorry. it is what it is..[/TD]
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Okay, I'm probably about to sound naive, but SERIOUSLY???? There are like 50,000,000 threads on this board about how awful it is for Christians to sin and isn't God going to get you in the end. Do we really need another?

Also, what kind of churches are y'all attending? What Christians are you hanging out with? The Christians I know are wonderful, loving, fallen, screwy, kind, frustrating, compassionate, forgiven people. They're people who are seeking after God, who care about serving others, and who screw up royally on a regular basis.

Yes, some of them get caught in sin (do we need another list??). Guess what I do for these fellow-believers? I pray for them.

If I know them well and they ask for my input, I may even remind them how their sin is grieving God and corrupting them spiritually.

Otherwise, I mind my own business, AND I PRAY FOR THEM.

And I trust that the Holy Spirit...you know, the Third Person of the TRINITY....part of the GODHEAD...the one who RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD...I trust that Spirit is powerful enough to transform the inner (and eventually outer) life of my fellow Christian.

Maybe it is naive of me, but it seems (to me anyway) a bit more effectual than complaining about how awful my fellow believers are (compared to my virtuous example, naturally).



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It's interesting how human nature tends to grade itself on a curve. For
example, a surprising number of Christ's followers-- both his believing
followers and his unbelieving followers --seriously believe that LGBT are the
lowest form of sinners on the earth; but note the variety of behaviors in the
passage below ranked right up there with LGBT.

†. 1Cor 6:9-10 . . Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.

Some of the behaviors on that list have become so common in American
society that you'd think they were normal; e.g. sexual immorality, adultery,
theft, alcoholism, slander, and swindling.

I have seen 1Cor 6:9-10 on many occasions used to bash LGBT, but I cannot
remember even one instance of it being used to bash porn stars, or people
that sleep around, or cohabitating couples, or people conceiving babies out
of wedlock, or people cheating on their spouses, or that shop lift, or Ponzi
schemers, or unscrupulous investment bankers, or Wall Street barracudas,
or heavy drinkers, or people that say things about others that aren't true.
Curious, isn't it?

An example is Oregon's ex governor John Kitzhaber. Not only was he
shacking up with a girlfriend while in office, but they were living together
right inside the Governor's mansion; and the media, instead of raking
Kitzhaber over the coals for his indiscretion, took to calling his paramour The
First Lady.

Supposing one of Christ's believing followers is pegged in the list of scum bags
that Paul compiled in 1Cor 6:9-10. Will they be banned from the kingdom if they
don't cease and desist whatever it is they're up to that's no good?

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But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in
Jason0047 is a professed believer--NOT a scribe or a Pharisee. Beating someone with a doctrine stick and then calling them a "scribe and pharisee" afterward to justify a lack of emotional control is not appropriate.

Jason gave several responses to the thread. When it was clear that discord was occurring, he very graciously responded and stopped posting.

This is a member of YOUR BODY...the BODY OF CHRIST. Beating up your own body and claiming some kind of fruitful, victorious work is not remotely demonstrated by Jesus.
 
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Jason0047 is a professed believer--NOT a scribe or a Pharisee. Beating someone with a doctrine stick and then calling them a "scribe and pharisee" afterward to justify a lack of emotional control is not appropriate.

Jason gave several responses to the thread. When it was clear that discord was occurring, he very graciously responded and stopped posting.

This is a member of YOUR BODY...the BODY OF CHRIST. Beating up your own body and claiming some kind of fruitful, victorious work is not remotely demonstrated by Jesus.

Lack of emotional control? are you telling the Spirit Filled Believer how to act? because it doesn't line up with a carnal interpretation of the Scripture based on man pulling God down to his/her level, I'm sure there were those around Jesus when He unleashed on the Hypocrisy of His Day.. saying.. He's not of God. look at how He acts.. lolz.. careful... you cant put a 'natural ' leash on a Supernatural God, tell Him and His kids.. how to act according to your carnal interpretation of the scripture.. but dont get too down, cause many apostate christians, in the future will get that chance.. to become christian sorcerers, as they dont like the behavior of someone.. we need to change. that.. and they will feed em behavior control meds.. to make them conform.. indeed! oh thats coming.. SOMEBODY is Holding this back though. I guarantee When He is gone, you will get your chance.. until then, I just admonish you.. careful..
 
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It's interesting how human nature tends to grade itself on a curve. For
example, a surprising number of Christ's followers-- both his believing
followers and his unbelieving followers --seriously believe that LGBT are the
lowest form of sinners on the earth; but note the variety of behaviors in the
passage below ranked right up there with LGBT.

†. 1Cor 6:9-10 . . Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.

Some of the behaviors on that list have become so common in American
society that you'd think they were normal; e.g. sexual immorality, adultery,
theft, alcoholism, slander, and swindling.

I have seen 1Cor 6:9-10 on many occasions used to bash LGBT, but I cannot
remember even one instance of it being used to bash porn stars, or people
that sleep around, or cohabitating couples, or people conceiving babies out
of wedlock, or people cheating on their spouses, or that shop lift, or Ponzi
schemers, or unscrupulous investment bankers, or Wall Street barracudas,
or heavy drinkers, or people that say things about others that aren't true.
Curious, isn't it?

An example is Oregon's ex governor John Kitzhaber. Not only was he
shacking up with a girlfriend while in office, but they were living together
right inside the Governor's mansion; and the media, instead of raking
Kitzhaber over the coals for his indiscretion, took to calling his paramour The
First Lady.

Supposing one of Christ's believing followers is pegged in the list of scum bags
that Paul compiled in 1Cor 6:9-10. Will they be banned from the kingdom if they
don't cease and desist whatever it is they're up to that's no good?

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Sin is sin. But some sins are worse than others. Murder is worse than slander.

If folks seem to look more down upon homosexuality than other sins, it is probably because homosexuality is not only a sin, but it is out of the ordinary. It is gross. It is perverted. It is why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
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"at one point or another" is one thing. But what about Christ's followers who
consistently practice one or more of the behaviors listed in 1Cor 6:9-10; will
they be banned from the kingdom?
Verse 9 says quite clearly "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Christ-followers don't have any righteousness of their own, but bear His righteousness by their faith in His death on the cross and resurrection from the dead to pay the price for their sins and give them newness of life.

If one doesn't bear Christ's righteousness, he isn't His, is he? It has nothing to do with works, and everything to do with faith through grace. You need to write that backwards on a sticky note and paste it to your forehead so you'll read it in the bathroom mirror and start out the day on the right foot each morning.

Wouldn't hurt you to do the same, Jason. You two need to get it through your thick heads we can never be "good enough" to "earn" salvation, or "keep" salvation. It is all 100% by the grace of God. Period.

Done here. I need to take a shower after visiting these threads.
 

WebersHome

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†. 2Cor 5:17-18 . . From now on we regard no one from a worldly point of
view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the
new has come!

Back in the decade of the nineteen-seventies, I consulted a radio pastor in
Vista California to ask him a question that was really eating at my insides. I
explained that 1John 3:9 says that born-again Christians not only don't
practice sin; but they cannot practice sin. So I logically concluded that I
must not be born again because I was still sinning.

The pastor pointed out that the man who penned 1John 3:9 is the self-same
man who penned 1John 1:8-10; which essentially says that if born-again
Christians claim to be sinless they are not only delusional; but also
insinuating that God is dishonest. And the pronouns "us" and "we" implicate
the author just as much as they implicate his readers.

The pastor went on to explain that the birth about which Christ spoke at
John 3:3-8 does not remove one's human nature; not in this life anyway.
No, born-again Christians retain their human nature and it exists right
alongside the divine nature that they obtained from undergoing the Spirit
birth.

†. John 3:6 . .That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born
of the Spirit is spirit.

That which is born of the Spirit of course never sins, nor can it sin because it
takes after God, who cannot lie (Titus 1:2, Heb 6:18) who cannot sin (1John
1:5) and who cannot be tempted to sin (Jas 1:13). But of course human
nature never gives up on sinning; thus the necessity of 1John 1:9

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

"our sins" aren't committed by that which is born of the Spirit (1John 3:9)
but by that which is born of the flesh; viz: human nature; which born-again
Christians retain until their natural body's demise. That's when the
circumcision spoken of at Col 2:11 takes over and deceased born-again
Christians shed their human nature like a dead skin; which indeed it is.

†. Rom 6:6 . . For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that
the body of sin might be done away with; that we should no longer be slaves
to sin

†. Col 3:3-4 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in
glory.

Bottom line: The Spirit birth about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, and the
circumcision about which Paul wrote at Col 2:11, assure that Christ's
naughty followers won't be naughty in the future. But of course this only
applies to Christ's believing followers. His entourage of non-believing
followers are excluded.

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JesusIsAll

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Done here. I need to take a shower after visiting these threads.
rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif (Just had to use this gif, ripped off from somebody the other day.)

Where's great Grandma's old lye soap, when you need it the most?
 

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Okay, I'm probably about to sound naive, but SERIOUSLY???? There are like 50,000,000 threads on this board about how awful it is for Christians to sin and isn't God going to get you in the end. Do we really need another?
Sharks need food to have a frenzy.
 

Utah

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Christ-followers don't have any righteousness of their own, but bear His righteousness by their faith in His death on the cross and resurrection from the dead to pay the price for their sins and give them newness of life.

If one doesn't bear Christ's righteousness, he isn't His, is he? It has nothing to do with works, and everything to do with faith through grace. You need to write that backwards on a sticky note and paste it to your forehead so you'll read it in the bathroom mirror and start out the day on the right foot each morning.
ROFLMBO!!!!! ;)