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Soyeong

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Once again you answer but can't tell me what a single commandment requires of me. How can you obey what you cannot explain?
If you want a list, then you can search for "613 commandments". For example, the Mosaic Law instructs us to honor our parents, so are you really denying that no one has ever done anything to honor their parents?
 

Cameron143

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If you want a list, then you can search for "613 commandments". For example, the Mosaic Law instructs us to honor our parents, so are you really denying that no one has ever done anything to honor their parents?
I don't need a list of the commandments. I can find those by reading the Bible. I'm asking an explanation of them. In other words, what, from both a negative and positive perspective, what is forbidden and what is called for? What does this consist of both outwardly and inwardly? How do I know I have kept all the commandments require of me and not done all that is forbidden, and done so with the appropriate inward motivation and done all completely?
 

SilverFox7

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#83
Brother Jesus doesn’t command believers to do things like that to someone who picked a stick up off the ground on a sabbath day

Moses law has a purpose it’s not our covenant however we have a word and covenant made through Jesus Christ and the gospel not this one

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

moses mediation was for them and that land because they were idolaters and worshipped false gods continually is why the angel was ordained and Moses made mediator it was because of what they did

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; ( ordained of angels ) as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices By the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And the star of your god Remphan, Figures which ye made to worship them: And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-43‬ ‭

We need the gospel it is the father son and Holy Ghost manifest offering life not the law given to israel for transgression that came along much later than the beginning
Jesus sums up the spiritual intent of the "law" in The Sermon on the Mount. The gospel magnifies the law given at Sinai and through Moses to those weightier matters of the law such as justice, mercy, and truth. And really, it all gets back to love and grace. We obey God's commandments because we love Him, and we love humanity.

God had to be harsh and stern with the Israelites. They had been in bondage for hundreds of years, and all they knew was following the orders of their taskmasters, the Egyptians. The Israelites had no idea how to live in liberty and freedom, and their "stiff-necked" nature on the whole required stern discipline, rules, and regulations. Even then, they couldn't meet the requirements, and we can't either without God's help.

Sin, the transgression of the law, is a serious matter in God's eyes. There was harsh judgement on those under the old covenant who disobeyed, and our sinfulness could only be addressed and resolved ultimately by Jesus and His sacrifice.

You're right, brother--we need the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to live our lives as God intended. We do not have the power on our own to obey God's commandments or taking it to the next level and manifesting the fruits of His nature to live as Jesus did.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#84
Jesus sums up the spiritual intent of the "law" in The Sermon on the Mount. The gospel magnifies the law given at Sinai and through Moses to those weightier matters of the law such as justice, mercy, and truth. And really, it all gets back to love and grace. We obey God's commandments because we love Him, and we love humanity.

God had to be harsh and stern with the Israelites. They had been in bondage for hundreds of years, and all they knew was following the orders of their taskmasters, the Egyptians. The Israelites had no idea how to live in liberty and freedom, and their "stiff-necked" nature on the whole required stern discipline, rules, and regulations. Even then, they couldn't meet the requirements, and we can't either without God's help.

Sin, the transgression of the law, is a serious matter in God's eyes. There was harsh judgement on those under the old covenant who disobeyed, and our sinfulness could only be addressed and resolved ultimately by Jesus and His sacrifice.

You're right, brother--we need the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to live our lives as God intended. We do not have the power on our own to obey God's commandments or taking it to the next level and manifesting the fruits of His nature to live as Jesus did.
“The law and the prophets ( Old Testament ) were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, (new testsment ) and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

The law says

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:


(jesus said the opposite )but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What Moses in the law commands

“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭

Jesus tesching that To obey Moses law there would be adultery

“It hath been said, ( in Moses law ) Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how Jesus is actually teaching the contrary spirit from the angel ordaining the law ?

this

“then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭25:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a Jesus teaches us to pardon sinners and not exact revenge or chop off limbs

“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus teaches us to always give mercy and not take equal revenge like Moses law taught

jesus teaches us to stay committed to marriage not to divorce if we aren’t happy like Moses law taught

I know the verse about magnifying the law and making it honorable , but when you look at what Moses taught in his law. And compare it to what Jesus taught in His Law a

what we find is that Jesus was teaching the opposite , the contrary the reason is the law is for these folk

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to bring them to this place

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.( only a guilty sinner can repent and accept the gospel and they have to know first)

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was preached until John because the time had come for fulfillment of the gospel

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus removed the vail over Moses words

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no vail on the gospel it’s open and simple and plain
 

SilverFox7

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#85
Do all here know that It is Jesus Yeshua Who gave thelaw to Moses? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Amen. In addition to giving Moses the law, Jesus (I love the Hebrew "Yeshua" name you use for Him) is the one who spoke face-to-face with Mose as the leader of God's chosen people, Israel.

Interesting that during the transfiguration, Moses is one of the people along with Elijah who the glorified Jesus talked to during that remarkable "mountain top" experience that Peter, John, and James witnessed (Matthew 17).
 

JaumeJ

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#86
Amen. In addition to giving Moses the law, Jesus (I love the Hebrew "Yeshua" name you use for Him) is the one who spoke face-to-face with Mose as the leader of God's chosen people, Israel.

Interesting that during the transfiguration, Moses is one of the people along with Elijah who the glorified Jesus talked to during that remarkable "mountain top" experience that Peter, John, and James witnessed (Matthew 17).
I believe you will appreciate what I have to post here, or perhaps you already do.

There is a great blessing in knowing what names translate as in the Word. King Dvid-s name, David, means Beloved. King David's Father's name was Jesse or Yeshi meaning My redeemer.

I believe this sheds bright light on the mention often of David's throne.............
 

SilverFox7

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#87
I believe you will appreciate what I have to post here, or perhaps you already do.

There is a great blessing in knowing what names translate as in the Word. King Dvid-s name, David, means Beloved. King David's Father's name was Jesse or Yeshi meaning My redeemer.

I believe this sheds bright light on the mention often of David's throne.............
Yes I do, brother. My parents named me David in honor of king David. They wanted me to always know I am "beloved." Wow, did they put high expectations on me! :)
 

JaumeJ

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Yes I do, brother. My parents named me David in honor of king David. They wanted me to always know I am "beloved." Wow, did they put high expectations on me! :)
Now those are thoughtful parents indeed. God bless you and all there with you.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Amen. In addition to giving Moses the law, Jesus (I love the Hebrew "Yeshua" name you use for Him) is the one who spoke face-to-face with Mose as the leader of God's chosen people, Israel.

Interesting that during the transfiguration, Moses is one of the people along with Elijah who the glorified Jesus talked to during that remarkable "mountain top" experience that Peter, John, and James witnessed (Matthew 17).
Notice the cloud appeared around them all and remember how Moses entered the cloud
 

Magenta

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#90
I don't need a list of the commandments. I can find those by reading the Bible. I'm asking
an explanation of them. In other words, what, from both a negative and positive perspective,
what is forbidden and what is called for? What does this consist of both outwardly and inwardly?
How do I know I have kept all the commandments require of me and not done all that is forbidden,
and done so with the appropriate inward motivation and done all completely?
What? Are you suggesting you do not have the full 613 laws/mitzvots written
on your heart as Soyeong asserts we do? Falsely asserts, I might add.
 

Cameron143

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What? Are you suggesting you do not have the full 613 laws written
on your heart as Soyeong asserts we do? Falsely asserts, I might add.
Unfortunately, like the Grinch, I have a small heart. But I am told that it did grow 3 sizes one day.
 

Magenta

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#93
If you want a list, then you can search for "613 commandments". For example, the Mosaic Law instructs us to honor our parents, so are you really denying that no one has ever done anything to honor their parents?
How in the world do you get Cameron denying anyone ever honoring their parents out
of his question to you? Little wonder so few trust your interpretations of Scripture.
 

Soyeong

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How in the world do you get Cameron denying anyone ever honoring their parents out
of his question to you? Little wonder so few trust your interpretations of Scripture.
One of God's laws is the command to honor our parents, so the position that it is impossible to keep God's law includes the position that it is impossible to honor our parents.
 

Magenta

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One of God's laws is the command to honor our parents, so the position that it is impossible to keep God's law includes the position that it is impossible to honor our parents.
That was not the question.
 

Cameron143

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One of God's laws is the command to honor our parents, so the position that it is impossible to keep God's law includes the position that it is impossible to honor our parents.
You misunderstood. I believe that individuals can outwardly keep commandments. But they cannot do so inwardly apart from Christ.
The law requires not only correct outward observance, but correct motivation in the heart as well.
I suspect that most of us most of the time are merely drawing nigh with our lips to God, but our hearts are far from Him. And I also suspect that people know far less of what it is to walk in the Spirit than they suppose. We have a form of godliness but lack any real power.
In Matthew 5 we are told to let our lights so shine among men that when they observe us, they glorify God. When is the last time you remember this happening in your life?
I'm not trying to single you out. We all could use a little more and better scrutiny of our own lives. But I've been meditating alot on Isaiah 58 recently. It's worth a look-see.
 

Pilgrimshope

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One of God's laws is the command to honor our parents, so the position that it is impossible to keep God's law includes the position that it is impossible to honor our parents.
yeah look how it was dealt with under the law of Moses

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭21:18, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Sure glad God the father isn’t like that
 

Soyeong

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yeah look how it was dealt with under the law of Moses

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭21:18, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Sure glad God the father isn’t like that
In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it. Jesus defeated the temptations of Satan by quoting three times from Deuteronomy, so he affirmed its authority.