The Great Tribulation - A Futurist Lie

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The time of the second resurrection (physical one for everyone who has died) is given relative to the return of the Lord and His wrath which is poured out upon the wicked.

Try to focus on this event that takes place at the 2nd resurrection, Rev 20:9.

Think about the circumstances surrounding this event.

Israel must be restored to Jerusalem.

Magog is moving to surround Jerusalem.

Focus on exactly when the 2nd resurrection takes place.

Because this is the LAST, LAST, LAST, FINAL, FINAL, FINAL, END, END, END, THE LAST EVENT TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS PLANET!!!!!!!

The final judgement is next where HEAVEN AND EARTH FLY AWAY, Rev 20:11.

We are here, this is it!

Gog, from Magog and her allies indeed attack from the north and destroy most of the Israelis to the north of Jerusalem. They surround Jerusalem just as the Romans did, and they kill half of the city, raping and pillaging as they go.

Just as the Romans did?


Zech 14:1, "Behold the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee."

V 2, "For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;..."


Just as there was a "Day of the Lord" against Babylon, Egypt, Edom, etc.,

There is also a "Day of the Lord" against Jerusalem, Acts 2:16-21, 70 ad.

It is then that the Lord God returns with all the Saints and kicks butt.

The Kingdom arrives, Zech 14:8, living waters, Jn 4:13-14.

See Zec 14. I do not see this as being fulfilled. "From Geba to Rimmon" being turned into a plain has not happened

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Literal?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Plague, sickness, disease.

The above passage from Zec 14 appears to be the same as this from Rev 20

Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them

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What is this fire?

Is this something that just appears out of nothingness?

Just flames, that originate without a material source?

Or is there a material source? Such as the sun, or an incoming comet or an asteroid (stone)?

What ever it is......the next event is the last judgement.

We don't have fulfillment of anything like this since Christ where divine intervention dissolved enemies which had attacked and killed much of Israel. Zone thinks this was Vesuvius of 79 AD but that doesn't fit IMO as it was 9 years after Jerusalem was sacked and Pompeii wasn't responsible for Titus' attack. Others think it will be a nuclear device used. I think it will be actually God doing it. We have precedence, see 2 Kings 1:10.

Which people? The Two Witnesses? Not sure about Jesus destroying the entire planet. We have three verses that contradict this notion. I know what 2 Pet 3 says but I think he's discussing the wicked in heaven and earth. In any event, this isn't important as there will be a new earth and new city for all saved to inhabit.

Yes, the 2 witnesses are the people of Israel.

They are killed after Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

This is the same event as Rev 20:9.

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If there is a new heaven and earth, then the old must pass away, Rev 20:11, 21:1.

Entirely new, not a rebuild.

Awe, the two witnesses. I'm not sure if this isn't more of a spiritual defeat rather than the destruction of Jerusalem. I see spiritual symbolism here:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt

The army that crosses the Euphrates River (Rev 9:14-16, Rev 16:12-16),

IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But just case you didn't get it, The Kings of the East across the Euphrates River is IRAN !



They kill the 2 witness, the people of Israel in Jerusalem.

IDK. The concepts of tanks, helicopters, guns etc wouldn't be familiar to Ezekiel or his audience. I don't see any great victory of the Jews in history where they gathered weapons to burn for 7 years. You'll have to show me when this was fulfilled.

From what I have read, many think that this passage is describing Antiochus.

The reason is that his armies consisted of troops from all those regions.

If you take this passage as literal, Ezek chs 38-39, it has to have been fulfilled because of the bows and arrows stuff.

Is there symbolism? Probably.

But I can't see arrows being tanks.

Would Ezek be saying something exclusively, about a battle over 2000 yrs away?

Or would this be an event that took place soon after the prophecy was made?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Try to focus on this event that takes place at the 2nd resurrection, Rev 20:9.

Think about the circumstances surrounding this event.

Israel must be restored to Jerusalem.

Magog is moving to surround Jerusalem.

Focus on exactly when the 2nd resurrection takes place.
Because this is the LAST, LAST, LAST, FINAL, FINAL, FINAL, END, END, END, THE LAST EVENT TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS PLANET!!!!!!!

Hello John,

The resurrection of the great tribulation saints takes place at the beginning of the thousand years, which is apart of the first resurrection. And there is a resurrection that take places at the end of the thousand years, which will be of the unrighteous dead that have been accumulating in Hades throughout all of history. That said, the attack of Gog and Magog and this heaven and earth passing away, does not take place until after the thousand years, which hasn't even begun yet. Therefore, from right now, we have over a thousand years before those events take place and that because the millennial period must still take place.

But I can't see arrows being tanks.

True, but the mention of arrows and spears would be in reference to hand-held weapons. Ezekiel certainly couldn't use the words "automatic weapons" or "AK-47's" etc. and that because he had nothing to compare what he saw in the future with anything during his time.

Would Ezekiel be saying something exclusively, about a battle over 2000 yrs away?

Yes, if God revealed it to him knowing that it would be written for future generations. Christ was mentioned in the beginning of Genesis, The virgin birth and Jesus as God in the flesh, was prophesied 700 years before it took place. Why is it so difficult to believe that God could show Ezekiel something that would take place far in the future from his time frame? Is God restricted? In the same way, God revealed events to John in the book of Revelation that would not take place for another 2000 years.

There is no way that the event of Ezek.38 & 39 has taken place. For during that battle, God alone kills them on the mountains of Israel. Every man's sword/weapon will be against his own brother.

" I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’ "

In this event, Israel does not lift a finger against those who will be coming against her, for God destroys them all. There will be no other explanation for it and all of the nations will know that He who does this is the Lord.

 

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[/SIZE]Hello John,

The resurrection of the great tribulation saints

The time of trouble began when Rome, (4th beast/iron legs,nations) invaded Israel.

The time of "great" trouble (the trib) that Jesus spoke about in Matt 24 began in 70 ad. with the destruction of Jerusalem.

These resurrected saints in Rev 20, are from the period between the invasion of Rome and the 1st resurrection.

This would include John the Baptist who did not take the mark of the 4th beast/Caesar.

takes place at the beginning of the thousand years,

Yes, the resurrection where Jesus rose.

The Pentecost Kingdom began shortly after that.

which is apart of the first resurrection.

No, it IS the first resurrection.

This is one place that should be taken as literal.

Take it for what it literally says,

The first resurrection, when Jesus rose, 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

I believe that you have it as the "4th?", 1st resurrection.

And there is a resurrection that take places at the end of the thousand years, which will be of the unrighteous dead that have been accumulating in Hades throughout all of history.

Jn 5:28-29,

V 28, " .... ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice,"

V 29, " And shall come forth....."

Good and evil,

Which resurrection is this?

It can ONLY be the resurrection at Jesus coming (last/2nd) 1 Cor 15:23-24.

Where is this resurrection, Jn 5:28, in your time line?

That said, the attack of Gog and Magog and this heaven and earth passing away, does not take place until after the thousand years, which hasn't even begun yet.

The Pentecost Kingdom age is coming to an end when Jerusalem is taken by Iran and Magog.

Therefore, from right now, we have over a thousand years before those events take place and that because the millennial period must still take place.

Over soon.

True, but the mention of arrows and spears would be in reference to hand-held weapons. Ezekiel certainly couldn't use the words "automatic weapons" or "AK-47's" etc. and that because he had nothing to compare what he saw in the future with anything during his time.

My Brother, Seriously?

Ok, what is it you say, About taking things literally?

You have to switch from literal to symbolic to make this fit the viewpoint you have chosen.

When it says, "bows and arrows", you won't accept it as literal?

Yes, if God revealed it to him knowing that it would be written for future generations. Christ was mentioned in the beginning of Genesis, The virgin birth and Jesus as God in the flesh, was prophesied 700 years before it took place. Why is it so difficult to believe that God could show Ezekiel something that would take place far in the future from his time frame? Is God restricted? In the same way, God revealed events to John in the book of Revelation that would not take place for another 2000 years.

I agree with you on this.

But, taking the bows and arrows as literal,

It probably won't be future.

There is no way that the event of Ezek.38 & 39 has taken place.

Antiochus?

For during that battle, God alone kills them on the mountains of Israel.

I didn't see that verse,

But Ezek 38:21, "and I will call for a sword against him through all my mountains, ...."

So it looks as if some swords are involved.

Every man's sword/weapon will be against his own brother.

" I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’ "

Maybe this did happen.

In this event, Israel does not lift a finger against those who will be coming against her,

Swords V 21

for God destroys them all.

Ezek 39:2, " ..."and leave but the sixth part of thee,"

There will be no other explanation for it and all of the nations will know that He who does this is the Lord.

When exactly do you see this "future" event taking place?

No one will be able to figure out what happened,

So it must be God?
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EG,

Is this what is confusing you? The Great Tribulation upon Israel is the worse tribulation any nation has had to endure in the history of the world. It isn't saying the world will endure the worst tribulation ever. Those in Judea are to flee, when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies. The world isn't to flee. Where would the world go - the Moon or Mars? This is the Great Tribulation of Israel.

Why are you adding to the word of God. (that is what bothers me) Never is it called the great tribulation of Israel. Jesus called it the great tribulation. Which has not been seen in the world.. It is a worlwide conflict, Not a localized one.

And I beg to differ even still. Look at the nations who had to endure both WW1 and WW2. Far greater than any Israel suffered in 70 AD. so in both aspects. you are mistaken.

No it isn't. Show me.

lol. Show you? Try Ezek 37 for starters, When the gentile nations are punished for what they did to Israel (never happened yet) Try practically the whole book of revelation. which speaks of this tiime of great wrath.. where things are so bad, 1/3 of the world is wiped out.

They did that already and now they are back. Satan has been making war with the church ever since.

Well actually no they did not. Unless you think Christ cameback in the 70's AD.. Israel as a nation was supposed to be protected.

Satan declared war in on the church on the day of pentecost.. or have you not been studying the NT?

there also was no abomination of desolation in 70 AD to give Israel the sign to run, Nor could they have seen it if there was..

Again, don't confuse the Great Tribulation of Israel with God's wrath.

Never heard of a great tribulation of Israel. not found in scripture.

The great tribulation, is the end of the age, Daniel prophesied about it, Jesus spoke of it. Israel is actually protected diring this time as it is also called the time of Jacobs trouble.

Also, I agree other places will be affected by Satan and we see that all the time. The Bible is Israel - centric. We aren't given a lot of details about other places and events that take place in other parts of the world. Nothing was said about Japan getting nuked twice, for instance.

Well of course not, Jerusalem was not affected.. there still is no great tribulation of Isreal. When jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, All prophesy stopped.. Until it is started up again, Because we are in the church age.. an age where there is no prophesy Thats why Jesus said do not look for signs.

 

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Just as I don't like 2,000 year gaps, .

I do not like symbolizing or allegorizing the interpretation of prophesy when reality does not fit my belief system either.

But hey, if that does not bother you. Then so be it.. Live on..

 

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Try to focus on this event that takes place at the 2nd resurrection, Rev 20:9.

Think about the circumstances surrounding this event.

Israel must be restored to Jerusalem.

Magog is moving to surround Jerusalem.

Focus on exactly when the 2nd resurrection takes place.

Because this is the LAST, LAST, LAST, FINAL, FINAL, FINAL, END, END, END, THE LAST EVENT TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS PLANET!!!!!!!

The final judgement is next where HEAVEN AND EARTH FLY AWAY, Rev 20:11.

We are here, this is it!






Just as the Romans did?


Zech 14:1, "Behold the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee."

V 2, "For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;..."


Just as there was a "Day of the Lord" against Babylon, Egypt, Edom, etc.,

There is also a "Day of the Lord" against Jerusalem, Acts 2:16-21, 70 ad.







The Kingdom arrives, Zech 14:8, living waters, Jn 4:13-14.




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Literal?






Plague, sickness, disease.





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What is this fire?

Is this something that just appears out of nothingness?

Just flames, that originate without a material source?

Or is there a material source? Such as the sun, or an incoming comet or an asteroid (stone)?

What ever it is......the next event is the last judgement.










Yes, the 2 witnesses are the people of Israel.

They are killed after Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

This is the same event as Rev 20:9.

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If there is a new heaven and earth, then the old must pass away, Rev 20:11, 21:1.

Entirely new, not a rebuild.







The army that crosses the Euphrates River (Rev 9:14-16, Rev 16:12-16),

IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But just case you didn't get it, The Kings of the East across the Euphrates River is IRAN !



They kill the 2 witness, the people of Israel in Jerusalem.







From what I have read, many think that this passage is describing Antiochus.

The reason is that his armies consisted of troops from all those regions.

If you take this passage as literal, Ezek chs 38-39, it has to have been fulfilled because of the bows and arrows stuff.

Is there symbolism? Probably.

But I can't see arrows being tanks.

Would Ezek be saying something exclusively, about a battle over 2000 yrs away?

Or would this be an event that took place soon after the prophecy was made?

Revelation and much of the Bible is cyclic that is events and situations are described in different ways and lead eventually to the second coming. For example Antichrist figures appear in scripture and history Pharaoh, Herod, Antiochus, Nero until one final figure will appear before the second coming. other symbols for Babylon the great is used Jericho, Tyre Rome.
People and situations from the OT are used as figures and symbols to describe future events.Trying to interpret the Bible using modern situations and people is a futile exercise. That is why futurist Prophecy books keep being revised when some seemingly certain situation proves to be false.A classic example is Saddam Hussein. Writers were convinced that he was the Antichrist and the end was near and their books can be picked up in second hand shops. In ten years or less books about Iran and Islam could well be found in them as well.

 

[RickyZ]

Just as I don't like 2,000 year gaps,

I find it curious that those who cannot resolve a 2,000 year gap can so easily resolve a 2,000 year millennium.

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Revelation and much of the Bible is cyclic that is events and situations are described in different ways and lead eventually to the second coming. For example Antichrist figures appear in scripture and history Pharaoh, Herod, Antiochus, Nero until one final figure will appear before the second coming. other symbols for Babylon the great is used Jericho, Tyre Rome.
People and situations from the OT are used as figures and symbols to describe future events.Trying to interpret the Bible using modern situations and people is a futile exercise. That is why futurist Prophecy books keep being revised when some seemingly certain situation proves to be false.A classic example is Saddam Hussein. Writers were convinced that he was the Antichrist and the end was near and their books can be picked up in second hand shops. In ten years or less books about Iran and Islam could well be found in them as well.

Brother tanakh,

What you have said here is true.

I have also seen many prophetic statements proven false.


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I have spent a lot of time discussing these things with people on this website.

This is to see if what I believe will stand the fire of the scriptures.

If yes, then yes, if no, then no.


We seek God, but God reveals Himself to whom He wishes.


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One theory says all things were fulfilled by 70 ad, with significant historical evidence, and most of it, I agree with (Old Hermit).

But I don't believe that ALL was fulfilled by 70 ad.


The 2nd/final resurrection, where Jesus comes for His Kingdom and the events leading up to that event, are completely void, it seems, in that theory.


And it leaves no room for the Reality of the present state of Israel,

So the only option open is to "discredit" (take away any credentials, or confirming evidence) that the people may be the flesh of Israel.


Amos 3:7, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

I think Jesus gave the Revelation to us to show His servants what is going to happen.


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The next theory, says that all of Rev (chs 2-22, with allowances for variation), is future, 7yrs and 1000yrs.

And that almost all (with variation) NT prophecies (and many OT) are also about that time frame, 7yr/1000.

By doing this, they have excluded almost any scriptures about the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad, and the 1900yrs following.


The identity of the 4th beast must be changed from Rome into ...... something else.


And the time line of the Rev is not one consecutive event timeline.

The 7 times are not literal years.


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Both of these theories leave out the time of;


70 ad - events leading up to and including restoration of present day Jerusalem.


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I have thought a great deal about what I am saying.

How can it be true unless all the pieces fit together without contradiction?

When they did, the answer was not sweet, it was bitter.

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Jesus is coming, but Israel will die first, that's why this planet ends.

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We know that the prophecies of the Bible must come true.

I believe that all the pieces do now fit.

That this Israel, is the Israel of prophecy to be fulfilled.

I believe that these events will be confirmed, as we draw closer to the day.

The signs of Israel's demise will be made plain ahead of time, as they are falling into place now.

All these signs will be shown ahead of time, it will be clear.

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Israel will lose in the battle of Armageddon,

Jerusalem will fall.

Jesus will appear at the resurrection, Rev 20:9.

Then it is THE END.

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1 Cor 15:23-38, 23-24.

Jesus the first fruits,

Those at His coming,

Then the end.

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It is here.

BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH.

 

[tanakh]

Brother tanakh,

What you have said here is true.

I have also seen many prophetic statements proven false.


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I have spent a lot of time discussing these things with people on this website.

This is to see if what I believe will stand the fire of the scriptures.

If yes, then yes, if no, then no.


We seek God, but God reveals Himself to whom He wishes.


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One theory says all things were fulfilled by 70 ad, with significant historical evidence, and most of it, I agree with (Old Hermit).

But I don't believe that ALL was fulfilled by 70 ad.


The 2nd/final resurrection, where Jesus comes for His Kingdom and the events leading up to that event, are completely void, it seems, in that theory.


And it leaves no room for the Reality of the present state of Israel,

So the only option open is to "discredit" (take away any credentials, or confirming evidence) that the people may be the flesh of Israel.


Amos 3:7, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

I think Jesus gave the Revelation to us to show His servants what is going to happen.


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The next theory, says that all of Rev (chs 2-22, with allowances for variation), is future, 7yrs and 1000yrs.

And that almost all (with variation) NT prophecies (and many OT) are also about that time frame, 7yr/1000.

By doing this, they have excluded almost any scriptures about the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad, and the 1900yrs following.


The identity of the 4th beast must be changed from Rome into ...... something else.


And the time line of the Rev is not one consecutive event timeline.

The 7 times are not literal years.


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Both of these theories leave out the time of;


70 ad - events leading up to and including restoration of present day Jerusalem.


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I have thought a great deal about what I am saying.

How can it be true unless all the pieces fit together without contradiction?

When they did, the answer was not sweet, it was bitter.

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Jesus is coming, but Israel will die first, that's why this planet ends.

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We know that the prophecies of the Bible must come true.

I believe that all the pieces do now fit.

That this Israel, is the Israel of prophecy to be fulfilled.

I believe that these events will be confirmed, as we draw closer to the day.

The signs of Israel's demise will be made plain ahead of time, as they are falling into place now.

All these signs will be shown ahead of time, it will be clear.

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Israel will lose in the battle of Armageddon,

Jerusalem will fall.

Jesus will appear at the resurrection, Rev 20:9.

Then it is THE END.

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1 Cor 15:23-38, 23-24.

Jesus the first fruits,

Those at His coming,

Then the end.

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It is here.

BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH.

There are four main positions with regard to end time Prophecy. What many on this site do not seem to realize or acknowledge is that none of them have the full picture. There are strengths and weaknesses with each one.

 

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There are four main positions with regard to end time Prophecy. What many on this site do not seem to realize or acknowledge is that none of them have the full picture. There are strengths and weaknesses with each one.

Yes, I have often seen that each one has part of the truth.

If they could only take the parts that they have right and follow them to their logical conclusions.



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I believe that much was fulfilled by 70 ad.

And I think that if Israel had not become a nation,

And Jerusalem had not returned to Israel,

I would have been agreeing with them.


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But Israel's very existence as a nation,

Shows God's Power and will.


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Is it so hard to believe that we are about to face the fulfillment of prophecy, at last, after all these years of humanity trying to understand God's prophetic word?

I guess maybe it is.

And I didn't want to believe what I understood,

So I checked and discussed, and read, and studied the Bible,

Looked at other ideas, talked, etc., came to this website.



For the Pentecost Kingdom, great news, Jesus is coming and taking us to our eternal home,

For every one else who has not obeyed Jesus........ The door of the Ark will be shut forever more.


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Jesus told us exactly when this would happen,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the Kings of the East, across the Euphrates (Iran), (6th trump, 6th vial)

And it's allies, Magog (Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, etc.) Rev 20


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Here's one of the worst things about it,

Now that we understand and see things coming,

There is really nothing that we can do, except preach the gospel and get people into the Ark of Jesus,

That is, there is nothing that we can do, to change what is going to take place,

We can only understand what is going on, and watch it all happen, as far as the events of the world that are taking place.


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You see, Jerusalem is already surrounded by Iran and Magog.

Their forces increase daily.

The end is coming, it is here,

There will be no doubt when the forces of Iran are standing in Jerusalem.


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My opinion follows:

I hope that I am wrong.

The war against ISIS will be diminishing soon, (1-2 yrs? who knows, not me).

Then the weapons of war will be close to, and turning to destroy Israel and take Jerusalem.

The role of the USA in the Middle East will be greatly diminished for some reason, politics, money, hatred for Israel on the world level, dissolution of Nato?, .... a combination of these?

Will the USA risk WW 3 for Israel?


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Yes or no, Jerusalem is going to fall.

The army of 200 million people who hate Israel is getting ready now, forming now.

When the time comes, they will march.

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[tanakh]

Yes, I have often seen that each one has part of the truth.

If they could only take the parts that they have right and follow them to their logical conclusions.



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I believe that much was fulfilled by 70 ad.

And I think that if Israel had not become a nation,

And Jerusalem had not returned to Israel,

I would have been agreeing with them.


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But Israel's very existence as a nation,

Shows God's Power and will.


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Is it so hard to believe that we are about to face the fulfillment of prophecy, at last, after all these years of humanity trying to understand God's prophetic word?

I guess maybe it is.

And I didn't want to believe what I understood,

So I checked and discussed, and read, and studied the Bible,

Looked at other ideas, talked, etc., came to this website.



For the Pentecost Kingdom, great news, Jesus is coming and taking us to our eternal home,

For every one else who has not obeyed Jesus........ The door of the Ark will be shut forever more.


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Jesus told us exactly when this would happen,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the Kings of the East, across the Euphrates (Iran), (6th trump, 6th vial)

And it's allies, Magog (Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, etc.) Rev 20


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Here's one of the worst things about it,

Now that we understand and see things coming,

There is really nothing that we can do, except preach the gospel and get people into the Ark of Jesus,

That is, there is nothing that we can do, to change what is going to take place,

We can only understand what is going on, and watch it all happen, as far as the events of the world that are taking place.


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You see, Jerusalem is already surrounded by Iran and Magog.

Their forces increase daily.

The end is coming, it is here,

There will be no doubt when the forces of Iran are standing in Jerusalem.


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My opinion follows:

I hope that I am wrong.

The war against ISIS will be diminishing soon, (1-2 yrs? who knows, not me).

Then the weapons of war will be close to, and turning to destroy Israel and take Jerusalem.

The role of the USA in the Middle East will be greatly diminished for some reason, politics, money, hatred for Israel on the world level, dissolution of Nato?, .... a combination of these?

Will the USA risk WW 3 for Israel?


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Yes or no, Jerusalem is going to fall.

The army of 200 million people who hate Israel is getting ready now, forming now.

When the time comes, they will march.

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The single main reason for armies to march on Israel is for a desperate attempt to prevent Christ and his host from
returning to Earth. It wouldn't take two hundred million people to destroy Israel which is about the size of a large US State. Also as long as the US supports Israel no one would dare to try it unless they wish for national suicide. According to Revelation 20 Gog and Magog are the nations in the four corners of the Earth not just those in the middle east. They are all supposed to do this at the end of the Millennium, which leaves room for another discussion as to why having redeemed mankind after Adams fall God allows Satan to start all over again with the Millennium population, but that leaves room for another discussion.

 

[RickyZ]

The single main reason for armies to march on Israel is for a desperate attempt to prevent Christ and his host from
returning to Earth. It wouldn't take two hundred million people to destroy Israel which is about the size of a large US State. Also as long as the US supports Israel no one would dare to try it unless they wish for national suicide. According to Revelation 20 Gog and Magog are the nations in the four corners of the Earth not just those in the middle east. They are all supposed to do this at the end of the Millennium, which leaves room for another discussion as to why having redeemed mankind after Adams fall God allows Satan to start all over again with the Millennium population, but that leaves room for another discussion.

Since satan is bound during the millennium, the people follow Christ by default and not by choice. God wants those who CHOOSE Him, so to find them He has to re-introduce the choice.

 

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The main reason to march on Israel is to get rid of a terrorist state that is an existential threat to the world, and the root cause of most of the world's problems

 

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The main reason to march on Israel is to get rid of a terrorist state that is an existential threat to the world, and the root cause of most of the world's problems

Israel is a threat to the world ?

The root cause of MOST of the worlds problems ?

So all this time, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, the RCC, Russia, Islam, are less of a problem than Israel ?


Rev 11:10, " And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth."


You're on the wrong side,

Will you rejoice when Jerusalem falls?

 

[kaylagrl]

The main reason to march on Israel is to get rid of a terrorist state that is an existential threat to the world, and the root cause of most of the world's problems

Ahhhhhh!
I knew it!! Replacement theology at its finest.smh I was wondering when the truth was going to come out. And there it is. Have you been having a few brews with Mel Gibson perchance? Unbelievable.

 

[abcdef]

Since satan is bound during the millennium, the people follow Christ by default and not by choice. God wants those who CHOOSE Him, so to find them He has to re-introduce the choice.

RickyZ,

In the context of Rev 20, Satan is ONLY bound 2 ways,

He cannot return to heaven.

He cannot deceive the nations (Magog), to surround Jerusalem, until the 1000 yrs are completed.

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The idea that He is bound in any other way,

is not shown as far as I can tell.

So Satan can and will operate as He always has with sin and temptation.

 

[ZEEK]

Ahhhhhh!
I knew it!! Replacement theology at its finest.smh I was wondering when the truth was going to come out. And there it is. Have you been having a few brews with Mel Gibson perchance? Unbelievable.

Simply stealing someone's name doesn't make you that person. It is called Identity Fraud.

E.G.

6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they met a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet, named Bar-Jesus.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Simply stealing someone's name doesn't make you that person. It is called Identity Fraud.

E.G.

6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they met a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet, named Bar-Jesus.

Bar-Jesus means the son of Jesus. Jesus was a popular name those days. Even Barabbas other name was Jesus.

 

[ZEEK]

You trust magicians Gandalf?

I should be shocked, but hold on...look at your name

 

[tourist]

The main reason to march on Israel is to get rid of a terrorist state that is an existential threat to the world, and the root cause of most of the world's problems

Israel is not a terrorist state but is dedicated to fighting the evil of terrorism. Most of the terrorist live in those other countries that surround Israel. The root cause of most of the world's problems is evil. It's certainly not Israel. In the end Israel will prevail. That's in the bible somewhere. You can take that to the bank.