The Homosexual Threat
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You are absolutely correct and this is a real problem. The people of God must be dedicated to the proposition that the Word of God relativizes all knowledge as found in socialization. The Word of God consistently reveals the inherent short comings of human intelligence by comparing it to what God has revealed to us of His own intelligence. The Word of God must be allowed to relativize what society thinks. Intelligence is looked upon by the world as a product of social engendering. Yet, true intelligence is not just an emerging social property and it cannot be allowed to be defined by the social conscience. We have allowed society to pronounce upon us what it believes must be regarded as the standard for an intelligent pattern of thinking. The world relies upon what is regarded as the nine fields of inquiry as the foundation of all knowable truth. This is all knowledge that comes about as a result of full socialization. The Word of God exists in a state of hostility with what society regards as knowledge. What the world operates on as a basis for knowledge is not what God regards as true knowledge. Society seeks peaceful coexistence, but only on its own terms. The problem that faces the world is that when the Word of God is brought to bear upon the social collective it produces a friction within that society. The Word of God renders the wisdom of man as foolishness. Human knowledge cannot be accepted on the same par with the revelation of God, (Act.19:19 the burning of books). The Word of God cannot prevail in the mind of man unless there is a conscious effort on the part of the individual to render the mind subject to the power of the Word of God. All other forms of knowledge must be rendered subordinate to revelation. The two cannot function together in the same mind. As long as we allow human knowledge to assume an elevated position in our thinking it will always dominate over the Word of God. God will not force His nowledge upon us but He does render forced consequences for the mind that rejects His wisdom.
Luke 5:31Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
Acts 16:18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
John 6:63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
If you want to judge a person by the natural, then go ahead, whatever method that you use to judge the physical nature or the spiritual nature of a person, and God will use that same method on you. But I'm going to let you know before you judge a person by the physical nature and remember that no sin out weighs another, but I'm going to tell you that even if you look at a woman lustful, you had committed adultery and if you even treasure your money that you have or wanting more, you have committed Idolatory because Jesus said that you can't serve God and money, andso John had came not eating nor drinking desirable food or wine and which Jesus had said that John came to show us the way, but we will not give up our mink fur and trade it in for camel hair coat; and even a certain rich-man that had observed all the laws which he believe, couldn't do what Jesus desire him to do by giving up all of his riches and which he should had done what Job had said, Naked that I came, and naked that I'll go, but I'm not going to abandon God for these worldly things. So can you give up all your possession? I know that you can't and even God know it, but that is why we need Mercy, because we are flesh and so weak towards temptations. But y'all will said that God give us money so that we can be like the others that has money, and as long as we say 15 hail Mary, we are okay. God only shows mercy to the ones that are merciful. And I'm going to let you know that if someone that's immature and listen to your teaching about homosexuals and goes out and committed a crime against one, God is going to see that you are consider to be partaker of that offense andf which mean that you are the one that had done the offense. And remember, satan didn't eat off the tree of knowing good and evil, but what happen to him?
Acts 16:18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
John 6:63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
If you want to judge a person by the natural, then go ahead, whatever method that you use to judge the physical nature or the spiritual nature of a person, and God will use that same method on you. But I'm going to let you know before you judge a person by the physical nature and remember that no sin out weighs another, but I'm going to tell you that even if you look at a woman lustful, you had committed adultery and if you even treasure your money that you have or wanting more, you have committed Idolatory because Jesus said that you can't serve God and money, andso John had came not eating nor drinking desirable food or wine and which Jesus had said that John came to show us the way, but we will not give up our mink fur and trade it in for camel hair coat; and even a certain rich-man that had observed all the laws which he believe, couldn't do what Jesus desire him to do by giving up all of his riches and which he should had done what Job had said, Naked that I came, and naked that I'll go, but I'm not going to abandon God for these worldly things. So can you give up all your possession? I know that you can't and even God know it, but that is why we need Mercy, because we are flesh and so weak towards temptations. But y'all will said that God give us money so that we can be like the others that has money, and as long as we say 15 hail Mary, we are okay. God only shows mercy to the ones that are merciful. And I'm going to let you know that if someone that's immature and listen to your teaching about homosexuals and goes out and committed a crime against one, God is going to see that you are consider to be partaker of that offense andf which mean that you are the one that had done the offense. And remember, satan didn't eat off the tree of knowing good and evil, but what happen to him?
UMM God does tell us why He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. To say it was because of homosexuality itself is very far from the truth. First when the men come to "Know" the angels,that is not by definition homosexuality. It is not men with men it is men with angels. That is only one example of the depths of sin that the city had sunk to. That example is to show us that they had come to the point of filling up the cup of iniquity. Now on the other to say that it wasn't part of it is just as wrong.
Ezekiel 16
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Pride was at the root of it. No question they did detestable things before the Lord but that is also a very broad based statement and not one you can hang that it was only because of one sin.
But on the other hand one can NOT leave out that God is very clear elsewhere that those who practice. (IE Those who continue doing it will not enter the kingdom of heaven) Notice it is not saying those who are tempted or are struggling with it,but those who practice it.
Ezekiel 16
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Pride was at the root of it. No question they did detestable things before the Lord but that is also a very broad based statement and not one you can hang that it was only because of one sin.
But on the other hand one can NOT leave out that God is very clear elsewhere that those who practice. (IE Those who continue doing it will not enter the kingdom of heaven) Notice it is not saying those who are tempted or are struggling with it,but those who practice it.
Back to the original post. What is happening with the so called homosexual threat,is that what is being missed is that it is a symptom of a much deeper problem. The church itself has become weak,shallow and feeble. Many believe that they have everything they need when in reality they are wretch,pitiful,poor,blind, and naked. How many people actually see the transforming power of the gospel to change hearts and lives? How many people actually see a difference between a Christian and the rest of the world?
How many take to heart what God told Solomon?
2 Chronicles 7
13 “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people,14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Notice who God puts the onus on. God on His people that if they will humble themselves,pray,seek His face and they TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS. We can NOT expect God to turn these things around UNTIL WE AS HIS PEOPLE START GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. When are we going to wake up to the fact that the problem is US the church,His people and it's not them whoever them is.
How many take to heart what God told Solomon?
2 Chronicles 7
13 “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people,14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Notice who God puts the onus on. God on His people that if they will humble themselves,pray,seek His face and they TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS. We can NOT expect God to turn these things around UNTIL WE AS HIS PEOPLE START GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. When are we going to wake up to the fact that the problem is US the church,His people and it's not them whoever them is.
well, perhaps you've not yet been called to Christ.
a crushed and contrite spirit is needed.
you don't just go and say, OKAY - save me...or OKAY, show yourself.
the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.
John 6
44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
i'll write to you later today Grey.
IF YOU ARE SINCERE in wanting to know.
we start with The Law, and what it says about ALL of us.
no one is exempt from it's terror and decrees against us.
and, worse than that - IT CAN NOT SAVE US.
the Law can't save us, it can not sanctify us or cleanse us or conform us into being like Jesus.
it can only ORDER US to do and not do.
it doesn't have the power to change us - BECAUSE YOU ARE AT WAR WITH GOD, CURRENTLY HATING HIM.
(the Bible says that - and all we who have been saved will tell you the same - we too were once that way).
and that hasn't changed. The doesn't change - but was fulfilled FOR you by One who was perfect.
if you reject Him - you are left with The Law.
it can't save you, it will rightly condemn you to hell.
it shows God's Holiness; His Standards; His expectations.
~
so later we can look at His Law and perhaps you will experience some Fear of God.
that's the beginning of wisdom (from Him)...knowing that we DO NEED to FEAR HIM.
because without the 2nd part of what we will discuss (the remedy to our inability to be saved by His Holy and Good Law) - which is the Gospel (Good News of Christ)....without Christ, we are UNDER THE LAW...by which we will be condemned and go off into hell.
THIS IS THE FEAR OF GOD.
Fear Him.
we'll discuss the Law and what it demands, if you want to.
zone
a crushed and contrite spirit is needed.
you don't just go and say, OKAY - save me...or OKAY, show yourself.
the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.
John 6
44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
i'll write to you later today Grey.
IF YOU ARE SINCERE in wanting to know.
we start with The Law, and what it says about ALL of us.
no one is exempt from it's terror and decrees against us.
and, worse than that - IT CAN NOT SAVE US.
the Law can't save us, it can not sanctify us or cleanse us or conform us into being like Jesus.
it can only ORDER US to do and not do.
it doesn't have the power to change us - BECAUSE YOU ARE AT WAR WITH GOD, CURRENTLY HATING HIM.
(the Bible says that - and all we who have been saved will tell you the same - we too were once that way).
and that hasn't changed. The doesn't change - but was fulfilled FOR you by One who was perfect.
if you reject Him - you are left with The Law.
it can't save you, it will rightly condemn you to hell.
it shows God's Holiness; His Standards; His expectations.
~
so later we can look at His Law and perhaps you will experience some Fear of God.
that's the beginning of wisdom (from Him)...knowing that we DO NEED to FEAR HIM.
because without the 2nd part of what we will discuss (the remedy to our inability to be saved by His Holy and Good Law) - which is the Gospel (Good News of Christ)....without Christ, we are UNDER THE LAW...by which we will be condemned and go off into hell.
THIS IS THE FEAR OF GOD.
Fear Him.
we'll discuss the Law and what it demands, if you want to.
zone
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Yes, there were Homosexuals, Beastialities, and even the ones that we accepted asl being normal, that is making love to your neighbors spouse and sex toys. This is what happens when we live in a free society. In our heart is filled with all kinds of sins especially Lust that is ready to be unleash unto society. But your way of perceiving the scriptures is like enjoying all of those who watches porn video will be swimming in the lake of fire forever; because they had fornicated from their heart and which fornicating is lusting after something and which it is consider as coveting. So do you still want God to judge us on our physical nature or what in our heart.
But that is NOT the whole picture you left out Ezekiel 16
Ezekiel 16
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
And no where in Jude can one pull out that it was JUST homosexuality. The list also included
fornication and strange flesh (ie they tried to rape ANGELS)
Ezekiel 16
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
And no where in Jude can one pull out that it was JUST homosexuality. The list also included
fornication and strange flesh (ie they tried to rape ANGELS)
Not sre now either, I would have to go back and look to see. I am pointing this out though that God died for all sin (s)of the whole world including the Homo-sexual threat. and because alot or a few do not believe God did do this forgive all. Take sides and do not love all as God does love all. So maybe that might help don't know
Have you ever thought that it was not for the sexual sins as much as it was for the taking away of free will. Whether they had sex with them or not, they took unconsenting people against their free will. The issue of what they were doing was forcing others to do what they wanted. It was all about them, and they could have just wanted their money against their free will or their companionship against their free will.
And When God freed the Israelites from slavery after 430 years passed by from Abraham where the promise was made to him by Faith in God, before any Law was ever put in place, you think God heard their prayers against the Egyptians going against their free will, or was it they were having sex with them?
Just something to think about. God is against others taking others free will away from them. And I end this with you have free choice to see what is said or not, I am not harmed by it, just love you as I love all unconditionaly as God does already through the cross where he Christ, died for the sins of the whole world, and for us to be thankful.and rest in God by this through the resurrected Christ who has now come to live in us and be free in God's type of Love
And When God freed the Israelites from slavery after 430 years passed by from Abraham where the promise was made to him by Faith in God, before any Law was ever put in place, you think God heard their prayers against the Egyptians going against their free will, or was it they were having sex with them?
Just something to think about. God is against others taking others free will away from them. And I end this with you have free choice to see what is said or not, I am not harmed by it, just love you as I love all unconditionaly as God does already through the cross where he Christ, died for the sins of the whole world, and for us to be thankful.and rest in God by this through the resurrected Christ who has now come to live in us and be free in God's type of Love