The law of Christ

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Really? Perhaps you care to explain this...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Maybe you can explain to us what Laws are being spoken of here?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
I sure can! As long as we view each other as unclean and continue to follow the tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye approach to how we live, we will always reap death under this written law.

We live in a world that would send a person to jail for stealing food he cannot afford TO PAY FOR in order to feed his hungry stomach or his children's. Today we would claim such a person to be a thief, put him in jail and declare this to be the right thing to! All because of a "thou shalt not". So as long as we continue to judge and manipulate according to what is written, then we shall not pass through it until all is fulfilled. Right now there are many people who hasn't accepted that ALL are dead under this written law.

Again the law in my heart is love. In this how can I be a theif or a murderer or anything else. I cannot rape a person I love or harm them in any way.
 

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We have the ten commandments written upon our hearts - those ten commandments and the prophets hang upon these two - Love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, love others as ourselves - the law encompasses much more than the ten commandments.
Which is exactly what Christ taught. Yet because it means much more than the Ten Commandments, it does not do away with them, rather it magnifies them (see Isa 42:21)


If a cup has been filled. . . you can't do anymore with it . . [unless you pour it out] . . . The foreshadowings of the OT speaking of Christ, i.e. the coming Messiah, the suffering servant, the Lamb of God, Feast of Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Pentecost, have been fulfilled cannot be fulfilled again . . . . Heaven and earth will not pass until ALL be fulfilled, i.e. Christ return, Feast of trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles.
Why are you purposely leaving part of that verse out? It does not say heaven and earth will pass away until all is fulfilled, it says that not a jot or tittle of the Law will pass away...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.



What do these portions of scripture mean to you? Seriously.

2 Corinthians 3:7-15 But if the ministration of death written and engraven in stones was glorious so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. . . . For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Notice the subject of the verses you quoted? What is it? The ADMINISTRATION of the Law, not the Law itself.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

And the vail has not been lifted yet!

Isa 25:6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

The above is a Millennial scripture, that vail is lifted at the return of Christ.


Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? it was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for unholy and profane, etc. , etc.
Are we not made righteous through our faith in Jesus Christ? Then the law is not for us . . . . .

This one has been beaten to death in other threads but the Law that was added was the Law of sacrifices...

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Please note there is not ONE WORD concerning sacrifices here. In fact, sacrifices were not offered until almost a year later.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
 
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Ok, you say this...






and the Word of God says this...


1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


I gotta go with the Word of God here.
How many did David kill again? All things are lawful, though not expedient. All men will be saved. Is it then safe to say that anyone who does not believe this has hate in their hearts, and thus are murderers?
 
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I sure can! As long as we view each other as unclean and continue to follow the tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye approach to how we live, we will always reap death under this written law.
Again I ask you what the eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth is in your opinion. I appears that you have no idea what the spiritual truth of that original concept really is.
 
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How much of Christ's laws do we know? some? a lot? all? Now answer this, how much of the laws do we keep? It's not knowing all the laws, its actually serving and following the laws that's important I would of thought. We can know things, but do we all follow them?
 
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believe what you want, if you don't see the difference between the Old and New covenant and choose to follow the Mosaic laws that is your choice.

Yes humans are at fault. However the OLD covenant and the laws given to Moses were also not good enough because God made a NEW covenant and gave NEW laws written in the hearts of His followers.

Those who have His holy Spirit know those laws.

so what Laws do you think God put in the hearts of His believers?

Is this part of the Mosiac Law ? Should we follow it today ? Why or Why not ?

Leviticus 19:32
Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am theLord.

Deuteronomy 22:6-7King James Version (KJV)


6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:


7 But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.


King James Version (KJV)








 
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How much of Christ's laws do we know? some? a lot? all? Now answer this, how much of the laws do we keep? It's not knowing all the laws, its actually serving and following the laws that's important I would of thought. We can know things, but do we all follow them?
It our duty to seek to know the Lord
[h=1]Jeremiah 9:23-24King James Version (KJV)[/h]23 Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord.
 
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Again I ask you what the eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth is in your opinion. I appears that you have no idea what the spiritual truth of that original concept really is.
And again I say how hard can it be? If you hurt me mines, I will respond in kind in hurting you and yours. Simple tit for tat.
 
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And again I say how hard can it be? If you hurt me mines, I will respond in kind in hurting you and yours. Simple tit for tat.
[h=1]1 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
 
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1 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)

9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
Exactly! This is a tooth for a tooth. We are not to act in such a way but to overcome evil and offenses with love and forgiveness, which is good.
 

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Study the law??? Again it's already written in me. Remember the Gentiles which had not the "law" did by NATURE what the law contained. Why? Because God's true law of love is already in them.
If this is the standard you're taking, that God's law is written in you, wouldn't that apply to the entire Word? And if so, then why read the Bible if it's already written in you?
 
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If this is the standard you're taking, that God's law is written in you, wouldn't that apply to the entire Word? And if so, then why read the Bible if it's already written in you?
I read it for understanding the mechanisms of the world around me, not for right or wrong. And I know most Christians refuses to understand this, but everything in the bible is NOT God's word. This is why He said to ONLY hear Christ and HIS words. His life, words and actions are the ONLY way to divide God's true and living words from the dead and lifeless words of men made in God's image. If the bible says "kill" but Christ said to "forgive", whom am I to listen to?
 
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And again I say how hard can it be? If you hurt me mines, I will respond in kind in hurting you and yours. Simple tit for tat.
It has to do with equity. Eye for eye, not to repay in kind. You don't know. Read the scripture that I gave to you in Exodus chapter 21.
 
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It has to do with equity. Eye for eye, not to repay in kind. You don't know. Read the scripture that I gave to you in Exodus chapter 21.
You may believe what you want. If I smack you in the face, whatever way you want to explain that feeling you would get when trying to get even with me is fine by me.
 
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It has to do with equity. Eye for eye, not to repay in kind. You don't know. Read the scripture that I gave to you in Exodus chapter 21.
You may believe what you want. If I smack you in the face, whatever way you want to explain that feeling you would get when trying to get even with me is fine by me.
I'd let you suffer the punishment and humiliation by turning the other cheek that would force you to slap me with an open hand putting us on an equal level according to the tradition during the time of Christ when He gave the sermon on the mount. That's the same principle of the original law. If you would like me to explain I will for your edification for we are to love one another.
 
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I sure can! As long as we view each other as unclean and continue to follow the tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye approach to how we live, we will always reap death under this written law.

We live in a world that would send a person to jail for stealing food he cannot afford TO PAY FOR in order to feed his hungry stomach or his children's. Today we would claim such a person to be a thief, put him in jail and declare this to be the right thing to! All because of a "thou shalt not". So as long as we continue to judge and manipulate according to what is written, then we shall not pass through it until all is fulfilled. Right now there are many people who hasn't accepted that ALL are dead under this written law.

Again the law in my heart is love. In this how can I be a theif or a murderer or anything else. I cannot rape a person I love or harm them in any way.
Same line I've heard before, a converted person wouldn't think to anything wrong. Only problem with this is that Paul teaches the opposite...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

And he wrote this twenty some years AFTER his conversion. He still was battling human nature.
 
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It our duty to seek to know the Lord
Jeremiah 9:23-24King James Version (KJV)

23 Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord.
Yes our duty to seek the lord, that i am not disputing, everyone is quoting scritpures that was should keep the laws of Christ. my statement is that we can know every law that Christ has told us, But How many of us, KEEP the law?, follow the law?, and most important, Obey the laws of christ? That was what I was implying. not seeking. I think you misread what I said.
 

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How many did David kill again? All things are lawful, though not expedient. All men will be saved. Is it then safe to say that anyone who does not believe this has hate in their hearts, and thus are murderers?
Was it life threatening?

2Sa 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Now why was the death penalty not enacted? Because David bitterly repented...

Psa 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Psa 51:2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
Psa 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

And you may read the rest of the chapter on your own. Did David walk away unscathed?

2Sa 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
2Sa 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
2Sa 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
2Sa 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
2Sa 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
2Sa 12:12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

What was the very first thing that happened?

2Sa 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
2Sa 12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

2Sa 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

The son that was born to David and Bathsheba DIED.

What else happened?


his family would “live by the sword” and die by the sword (2 Samuel 12:10)


his household would rebel against him (12:11)


his wives would be taken by another man (12:11)


all of Israel would know about the consequences he faced because of his sin (12:12)

And you speak as if there is no consequence to sin.
 

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Yes our duty to seek the lord, that i am not disputing, everyone is quoting scritpures that was should keep the laws of Christ. my statement is that we can know every law that Christ has told us, But How many of us, KEEP the law?, follow the law?, and most important, Obey the laws of christ? That was what I was implying. not seeking. I think you misread what I said.
What does God look for?

Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Do you tremble at God's word? Are you fearful to disobey? Do you repent immediately when you do sin? Or does it really not matter because the Law is done away?
 
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What does God look for?

Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Do you tremble at God's word? Are you fearful to disobey? Do you repent immediately when you do sin? Or does it really not matter because the Law is done away?
I am human, nothing else, I get things wrong, i get things right, My main goals in life as a christian is to try follow and obey God's laws. No one can judge me but God. But what I was saying we can know all the laws of Christ,. but how many people on the earth follow and obey them? thats all I ask. and judging by the replies, I don't think anyone can answer that. Im not judging, just asking, think about it, we all obey mans laws more than what Christ's laws. what does that say?