The law of Christ

[peacefulbeliever]

The question remains. What really is the "Name of the Lord?" I don't think most people really know anymore than mouthing those words at the end of a prayer.

Exodus 23:21-22
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that "I" speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

"my name" [SUP]H8034[/SUP]8034 shem shame a primitive word (perhaps rather from 7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; Compare 8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character:--+ base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.

God's name is all He has testified of Himself.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall "call" upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1941. epikaleomai ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee middle voice from 1909 and 2564; to entitle; by implication, to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.):--appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

Calling upon the name of the Lord is to cause all of what God has testified about Himself to be incorporated into one's own life. We appeal unto Him and call unto Him to make this happen in us because "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

We call upon the name of the Lord when we are sick and tired of being sick and tired!

We hear the word of God and believe it. We believe that the Lord Jesus died for remission of our sins and that God raised him from the dead therefore we call upon him through repentance - placing Jesus as Lord in our lives. We are born again of God's Spirit hence receiving the gift of holy Spirit and we endeavor to walk by the Spirit as we are led.

Yes, all scripture is profitable - profitable for doctrine, profitable for reproof and correction when needed, and profitable for instruction in righteousness [doctrine] so that we, the man/woman of God may be perfect, perfectly furnished for all good works. Those good works do not come BEFORE we call upon the name of the Lord.

I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. This is the day which the LORD has made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Ps. 118:21-23

 

[john832]

Actually, repentance does come before forgiveness.

 

[just-me]

We call upon the name of the Lord when we are sick and tired of being sick and tired!

We hear the word of God and believe it. We believe that the Lord Jesus died for remission of our sins and that God raised him from the dead therefore we call upon him through repentance - placing Jesus as Lord in our lives. We are born again of God's Spirit hence receiving the gift of holy Spirit and we endeavor to walk by the Spirit as we are led.

Yes, all scripture is profitable - profitable for doctrine, profitable for reproof and correction when needed, and profitable for instruction in righteousness [doctrine] so that we, the man/woman of God may be perfect, perfectly furnished for all good works. Those good works do not come BEFORE we call upon the name of the Lord.

I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. This is the day which the LORD has made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Ps. 118:21-23

I agree with all you wrote but our walk with Christ doesn't stop unless we purposefully reject any part of what our Lord''s Father has spoken and ever will speak. We should constantly search all scripture for the truth that is within them for all time, for none of us will know the whole truth until all is fulfilled in heaven and on earth.

John 5:36-40
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Actually, repentance does come before forgiveness.

I'm sorry - is this addressed to me? Did I say forgiveness before repentance?

I don't recall but I believe the moment you repent; you are forgiven of all past sins.

 

[just-me]

I'm sorry - is this addressed to me? Did I say forgiveness before repentance?

I don't recall but I believe the moment you repent; you are forgiven of all past sins.

I think it was a general statement defining the process in which God forgives and also a pattern for us. That has always been that way and will always be that way.

Luke 17:3-4
3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Mouthing the words "I'm sorry" and then doing the same thing again and again is not repentance. In those cases there is no forgiveness. The intent of the heart MUST be sincere.

 

[john832]

I'm sorry - is this addressed to me? Did I say forgiveness before repentance?

I don't recall but I believe the moment you repent; you are forgiven of all past sins.

Not at you, a general comment but you are absolutely correct, when one sets his mind to repent, stop sinning and obey, God forgives his sins. From that day forward we are counseled to seek forgiveness daily...

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Coupled with repentance, we are forgiven daily.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I agree with all you wrote but our walk with Christ doesn't stop unless we purposefully reject any part of what our Lord''s Father has spoken and ever will speak. We should constantly search all scripture for the truth that is within them for all time, for none of us will know the whole truth until all is fulfilled in heaven and on earth.

John 5:36-40
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

No one that I know of purposely rejects any part of scripture. If you are saying that because I am not under bondage to the law that I purposely reject it - that is not correct. I don't purposely reject any scripture but I know there is a difference in application for those scriptures written directly to the church [me] and those written directly to the "children of Israel" or unto the "Gentile". If I write you a letter addressed specifically to Mr. just-me that letter is between you and me - you would be able to apply what I have written to you directly to your life or to your circumstances. Now if someone else were to read your letter - they might learn something indirectly that may or may not be applicable to their life and/or circumstances. Letters are personal - specifically meant for the people to whom they are addressed.

You are correct none of us will know the whole truth until we see him face to face - we now only know in part.
"for the works which the Father hath given me to finish" - the works the Father gave him to complete, to fulfill. I believe those "works" or "purposes" prophesied in the OT concerning Christ are partially fulfilled. I also believe the words of the OT scriptures are wonderful words and there are tremendous lessons to learn from - as I stated in a previous post: Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written afore time were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Seeing what Daniel endured, seeing what David accomplished, seeing Job's life, etc. - shows me what others have endured, therefore I receive patience and comfort and hope through those scriptures. Different dispensations/administrations - different application of scripture - ALL still profitable for doctrine, reproof, and correction - for instruction in righteousness.

 

[just-me]

Not at you, a general comment but you are absolutely correct, when one sets his mind to repent, stop sinning and obey, God forgives his sins. From that day forward we are counseled to seek forgiveness daily...

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Coupled with repentance, we are forgiven daily.

Amen. I like that prayer because it points directly toward the law of the 7th year forgiveness and also the law concerning the year of Jubilee. The 50 years and days can also be compared with the feast of weeks, the giving of the law, and the day of Shavuot Pentecost. It is all so beautiful and substantial.

 

[just-me]

No one that I know of purposely rejects any part of scripture.

Except the law given to Moses.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Not at you, a general comment but you are absolutely correct, when one sets his mind to repent, stop sinning and obey, God forgives his sins. From that day forward we are counseled to seek forgiveness daily...

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Coupled with repentance, we are forgiven daily.

Oh, Are you saying one has to stop sinning FIRST then repent or repent FIRST? Seems to me if a person doesn't repent - have a change of mind to believe in Jesus Christ - he doesn't know how to stop sinning? So God doesn't forgive our sins until we stop sinning and obey? I'm confused!

Asking for forgiveness daily, we are forgiven daily!

 

[john832]

No one that I know of purposely rejects any part of scripture.

Have you read this lately?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seen any discussion about this passage?

 

[john832]

Oh, Are you saying one has to stop sinning FIRST then repent or repent FIRST? Seems to me if a person doesn't repent - have a change of mind to believe in Jesus Christ - he doesn't know how to stop sinning? So God doesn't forgive our sins until we stop sinning and obey? I'm confused!

Asking for forgiveness daily, we are forgiven daily!

Repentance is to stop sinning. Used in the context of salvation, they are the same thing. When one repents, they quit sinning.

 

[john832]

Oh, Are you saying one has to stop sinning FIRST then repent or repent FIRST? Seems to me if a person doesn't repent - have a change of mind to believe in Jesus Christ - he doesn't know how to stop sinning? So God doesn't forgive our sins until we stop sinning and obey? I'm confused!

Asking for forgiveness daily, we are forgiven daily!

When God calls a person (John 6:44,65) and opens their mind...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

to the Knowledge of the Truth, then he can understand what sin is and can repent. Does God forgive sin without repentance?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Peter is pretty plain here, that sin is blotted out upon repentance.

 

[john832]

People get really complicated about sin and repentance but the first few chapters of Acts deal with it in a basic way.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Have you read this lately?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seen any discussion about this passage?

Yes, I have seen much on this . . . I am one of the one's who believe that day of rest doesn't have to be exactly the seventh day but we can honor it with any day by setting apart a day for the Lord as a day of rest. I guess I do this because I am one of those people whose work is a split shift so it's hard for me to actually keep the 7TH day. If this is wrong and my salvation is based on whether I keep the Sabbath day, the 7TH day as holy and a day of rest - then I am just going to hell.

Thank God my salvation is NOT based on the above!

 

[john832]

Yes, I have seen much on this . . . I am one of the one's who believe that day of rest doesn't have to be exactly the seventh day but we can honor it with any day by setting apart a day for the Lord as a day of rest. I guess I do this because I am one of those people whose work is a split shift so it's hard for me to actually keep the 7TH day. If this is wrong and my salvation is based on whether I keep the Sabbath day, the 7TH day as holy and a day of rest - then I am just going to hell.

Thank God my salvation is NOT based on the above!

Interesting, God says the seventh day. Another interesting point is that no one ever contends the other nine Commandments, it is always the fourth one...

Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

And it has always been the test Commandment.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

When God calls a person (John 6:44,65) and opens their mind...

Ok. God calls people through his word [Romans 10:17] faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Hearing the word of God opens peoples hearts to have a love for God and gives them a heart to repent to change from a mind of unbelief to belief.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

The disciples did not believe Jesus had risen - So he told them - O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets had spoken [concerning me]: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. - you know all those shadows and types in the OT concerning Jesus. [this verse hasn't anything to do with opening ones mind to repentance]

to the Knowledge of the Truth, then he can understand what sin is and can repent. Does God forgive sin without repentance?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Peter is pretty plain here, that sin is blotted out upon repentance.

Ok . . . yes - I would agree sin is blotted out upon our repentance.

Repentance is to stop sinning. Used in the context of salvation, they are the same thing. When one repents, they quit sinning.

Hope you have had great success with that -

 

[Ariel82]

Except the law given to Moses.

Do you still give sacrifices of animal blood for your sins at the Temple?

Are you rejecting the law given to Moses when you don't?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Interesting, God says the seventh day. Another interesting point is that no one ever contends the other nine Commandments, it is always the fourth one...

Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

And it has always been the test Commandment.

I don't believe that I need manna from heaven . . . If I had lived at that time - I would have gathered my manna appropriately . . But now - my God supplies all my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. [Phil. 4:19]

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. . . . Col. 2:16 These things were only shadows of the reality - Christ Jesus.

 

[just-me]

Do you still give sacrifices of animal blood for your sins at the Temple?

Are you rejecting the law given to Moses when you don't?

Ya. I kill a lamb every March and smear blood all over my house. Please ask some questions that have some sincerity that are connected nerve endings in the upper latitudes of your mind.