the Law

[oldthennew]

I realize this one has caused many pages of discontent among my fellow followers however; I was just in my study of Hebrews on chapter 7 and have come across great revelations and I hope you will give an open ear and mind to what I have to say about that law in chapter 7.

Christ is our King after the order of Melchezidec Correct? Meaning He had not beginning of days or ending of life. He is Eternal. As our high priest: Look if you will at the high priests in the old testament before Christ arrived. If you look carefully at the LAWS they were to follow, which admittedly I do not yet know all of them, Christ as our high priest came and nullified those LAWS because His priesthood came not from man but after the Eternal God the Father who granted Christ as His only begotten son to inherit all, including the souls of those whom He called.

One of the laws the high priests of the Old Testament were to perform is the sacrifice for sin. Now comes the interesting part of my study. You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross. However; if you look closely at Hebrews 7 you will find He did abolish the Law, the Law of the Priesthood, Not the law of the commandments. The Law of the priesthood I speak of is that of Christ gave His life for the sacrifice of the people's sin where as the levitical priests sacrificed animals in atonement for the peoples sin and for themselves. When Christ died on the cross He made those sacrifices of the levites null and void, no longer needed.

I can not count how many scriptures I find all over the place about keeping the commandments, my favorite of all of them has got to be, John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments. Can I get an AMEN!!! That my dear friends is found in the NEW TESTAMNT!! AMEN!!! I also am reminded of a scripture about needless arguments I believe that one is

Titus 3:9-11

9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Now for myself and the hope of others, we must strive to live our lives according to John 14:15. If you truly love our God and Savior don't you think one of the biggest challenges of the new testament is to show ourselves worthy of Gods awesome love and care by following a simple set of rules to live by. If you think about all 10 of those simple rules, doesn't it show the most reverent kind of love on could give to a Father who gave His only flesh and blood to die for our salvation. I mean come on people are they that difficult to comprehend.

In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~ [/QUOTE
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Rosy,

you are very blessed to comprehend this simple truth that our Father has led you to understand.
the simplicity that you have been shown, and the obvious willingness to obey is a beautiful gift
that will make your life and ministry a glorious blessing for the rest of your days.

we both rejoice in your new found blessing and we also bless the Holy Spirit for His beautiful
graciousness.
GBY




GBY

 

[Hizikyah]

Christ Jesus fulfilled the law in our stead, we keep the Sabbath as we rest in His law keeping and cease from our own efforts at meriting righteousness through our 'law keeping'.

Are you saying that by the power Yahweh has given us we are able to walk according to His Law or that we have the power to ignore it?

 

[Hizikyah]

9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

iniquity is:#0458 ???µ?a anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Brainfreeze]

It's not about keeping the whole law, but the whole Commandments, I don't play around with.
…7"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. 8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


These seem like small things but if it be Gods command, I suggest we do it. It's not about how righteous we are, it's out of respect, fear, and love that we don't have any other gods, make any images of gods or worship them, steal, murder, commit adultery, covet, taking Gods name in vain, keep the sabbath, honor thy mother and father, or lie.
Verse 7, we hear people in the world do all the time, O my G**.... It's like scratching a chalkboard around me, can't stand it. It's natural to keep the commandments, they are simple and easy for christians. Just to remember the sabbath day as it is holy is all.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I am not saying saved by following the commandments but they are not abolished. We are saved, become a child of God and in response to our gift of salvation we obey His commandments and keep His Seventh Day Holy. Enough said. Follow out of simple respect and love for God our Father who in the first commandment says: Love God the Father with all your heart, mind and soul. Amen.

A sabbath day of rest is good, resting from work. Requiring it to be observed on Saturday is not good for non-Jewish believers. It is in the same class as Passover, which had nothing to do with Gentiles. They were not offered either memorial by God, and not to Christians later. We are free to observe those as memorials, but not for the prophetic purposes of the Jews looking for their Messiah to fulfill. That was and remains for Jews, even though their general neglect of Jesus keeps them owing to those observances. If you are a Jew or Jewish Christian convert, such as Messianic Jew, then it is appropriate for you. The mentions of Church gatherings in the New Testament are on Sundays, except for Jesus by law having to keep the seventh day, and all other sabbaths.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

so I take it you follow all 612* (is this how many I may be off a few) of those laws to the T?

The law continues to show how much of a sinner we are. once we are perfected, then and only then will the law cease to serve its usefulness. For we will all be perfect.

 

[Hizikyah]

A sabbath day of rest is good, resting from work. Requiring it to be observed on Saturday is not good for non-Jewish believers. It is in the same class as Passover, which had nothing to do with Gentiles. They were not offered either memorial by God, and not to Christians later. We are free to observe those as memorials, but not for the prophetic purposes of the Jews looking for their Messiah to fulfill. That was and remains for Jews, even though their general neglect of Jesus keeps them owing to those observances. If you are a Jew or Jewish Christian convert, such as Messianic Jew, then it is appropriate for you. The mentions of Church gatherings in the New Testament are on Sundays, except for Jesus by law having to keep the seventh day, and all other sabbaths.

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm with you ladybug, but Saturday or " 7th day " is the sabbath and we should keep it Holy. Doesn't mean not to go to church on Sunday if we want, but to know the true sabbath, which is Saturday.

saturday was a day of rest. God created us, and new we needed a day of rest. our bodies can not take going full bore 24/7. so he gave us this day to rest our minds and spirits.

It is sad we do not take it, if we did, we would not be so wore out all the time, and busy bodies, to busy to do anything.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Christ Jesus fulfilled the law in our stead, we keep the Sabbath as we rest in His law keeping and cease from our own efforts at meriting righteousness through our 'law keeping'.

yes this also. which is even more important then resting on a given day.

 

[Hizikyah]

so I take it you follow all 612* (is this how many I may be off a few) of those laws to the T?

The law continues to show how much of a sinner we are. once we are perfected, then and only then will the law cease to serve its usefulness. For we will all be perfect.

None of us are perfect yet.

The Messiah clearly states we are to follow it. It is even made clear in Revelation 2 times, that is the Final Message.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you saying that by the power Yahweh has given us we are able to walk according to His Law or that we have the power to ignore it?

that we have the power to try to do it on our own. And do not need to look at it, because we are looking to the spirit

The jews have proved since the law was given to them how impossible it is to keep the law. no matter how hard we try, do we think we are any better then them?

 

[Hizikyah]

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Hizikyah]

that we have the power to try to do it on our own. And do not need to look at it, because we are looking to the spirit

The jews have proved since the law was given to them how impossible it is to keep the law. no matter how hard we try, do we think we are any better then them?

The Jewish people made their own law the Talmud.

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

None of us are perfect yet.

The Messiah clearly states we are to follow it. It is even made clear in Revelation 2 times, that is the Final Message.

so again, you follow all 600 and some?

and how do you know you follow it. the pharisees thought they did (and they were pretty good at it, to be shown by Jesus our righteousness has to excee theirs, which I would say is quite impossible) yet failed miserably.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Jewish people made their own law the Talmud.

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

All the laws of moses were included in the talmud, they just made extra laws to make it harder to break the real ones (its origional intended purpose)

So again, How good are you at keeping them?

 

[Free-To-Be]

Hizikyah



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[tourist]

Are the 10 commandments the law or part of the law?

 

[Hizikyah]

All the laws of moses were included in the talmud, they just made extra laws to make it harder to break the real ones (its origional intended purpose)

So again, How good are you at keeping them?

This is simply not true.

The words of Messiah make it clear, their law allowed for complete nullification of Yahweh's Law. Theeir law permits stealing, murder, and worse, but one must have studied to know this, 23 vols.

One should be able to understand this from Yahshua's words....

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72285-key-unlock-some-yahshuas-words.html

 

[Hizikyah]

Are the 10 commandments the law or part of the law?

So basically, there are 2 Laws and contained in those 2 are 10, and contained within those 10 are 613.

One cant keep the 2 if they trample on the rest of the Laws

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are the 10 commandments the law or part of the law?

part of the law.

I call them Gods law for dummies, He gave us only ten, and said you have to obey all of these perfectly every minute from birth to life, or you wil be cursed. And we can not even obey these. Let alone the MANY MANY laws God has given us from genesis to revelation. It is easier for us dummies to see we can not even keep ten. then to give us the whole list we could not even possibly keep track of.