The Logic of Gay Marriage Equality

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mustaphadrink

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Yes, I am aware of this verse. But God did start marriage. Marriage is from God, and yet of government fells they have the right to govern marriage. They think that they can make it "legal" for man to marry man. But as I said before, that separation of church and state (according to our courts) does not allow them to be involved.
The separation of church and state means that the Congress cannot create a state religion and cannot forbid the free exercise of religion. Outside of that it has no jurisdiction, even thought the atheists use it to try and stop anything to do with Christianity.
 

mustaphadrink

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Marriage is an institution, biblically defined as bond between male and female. Hence 'gay marriage' as a term is contradiction in itself. Mind you, I'm not contesting (or defending for that matter) the right of two people of the same gender to get a civil union here. My comment is just about the term 'gay marriage.'
I think one way we can turn the tables on "gay" marriage is to own the term for ourselves. if someone asks "do you believe in gay marriage?" we reply "I am 100% for gay marriage. The more happy marriages there are the better for the kids and the country. A smile a day keeps the divorce courts away."

SPREAD THE WORD AND GET THE BALL ROLLING. THAT WILL CONFUSE THEM TOTALLY.
 

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As much as I would like to agree with the OP, it has a critical logical flaw.

If the right to marry someone of the same sex is put into law, that right is extended to all people, homosexuals and heterosexuals, in exactly the same way as the legal right to marry someone of the opposite sex is currently extended to all people, homosexual or heterosexual. It is not only gay people who would be allowed to marry same sex people - they would, however, be the only people who would choose to.

It is not inequality in the same way that someone who chooses to not drive a car is not unequal - they may well be able to buy a car, get a license, and drive. Just because they decide not to does not make them unequal. The law provides people with rights, but does not compel people to exercise them.
 
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That is a furphy as you can leave what you want to who you want.
Not with the laws as they stand. Since the government does not fully recognize the choices and will of homosexuals, families often contest the will and win. Also, civil unions would allow loved ones to be at the bedside of sick and dying partners. Marriage is a sacrament of God, but civil unions are a contract of rights between the government and its citizens.
 
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I think one way we can turn the tables on "gay" marriage is to own the term for ourselves. if someone asks "do you believe in gay marriage?" we reply "I am 100% for gay marriage. The more happy marriages there are the better for the kids and the country. A smile a day keeps the divorce courts away."

SPREAD THE WORD AND GET THE BALL ROLLING. THAT WILL CONFUSE THEM TOTALLY.
Trying to do THAT will confuse 'us' even more, since we 'lost' that particular term decades ago. ;)

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mustaphadrink

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Trying to do THAT will confuse 'us' even more, since we 'lost' that particular term decades ago. ;)
All the more reason to regain it for its true meaning which has nothing to do with homosexuality. They have got where they have because they have said the same thing over and over again whether it is truth or lies. We have to take a leaf out of their book and do the same and reclaim the word for its true meaning which we have every right to do.

It might take a few years but if EVERYONE got involved we could crush the whole idea of gay meaning homosexuality.

SET THE BALL ROLLING EVERYONE.
 

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All the more reason to regain it for its true meaning which has nothing to do with homosexuality. They have got where they have because they have said the same thing over and over again whether it is truth or lies. We have to take a leaf out of their book and do the same and reclaim the word for its true meaning which we have every right to do.

It might take a few years but if EVERYONE got involved we could crush the whole idea of gay meaning homosexuality.

SET THE BALL ROLLING EVERYONE.
You had me wondering for about a minute. I prefer the term "happy marriage", verses "gay marriage" but that's just me.
 

Descyple

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Oh wow, this was one of the first threads I started when I joined CC four years ago (I just revealed the fact that I'm a CC Senior!!!).

But in all seriousness, it's good to see the conversation still going.
 

tourist

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Not with the laws as they stand. Since the government does not fully recognize the choices and will of homosexuals, families often contest the will and win. Also, civil unions would allow loved ones to be at the bedside of sick and dying partners. Marriage is a sacrament of God, but civil unions are a contract of rights between the government and its citizens.
That verse on the bottom of your page from the Song of Solomon is a favorite on mind and I often use it.
 

mustaphadrink

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You had me wondering for about a minute. I prefer the term "happy marriage", verses "gay marriage" but that's just me.
When you are involved in spiritual warfare what you prefer is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we need to do to reclaim the ground we lost and which is rightfully ours.
 
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First the important factor is GOD created all. Therefore HIS law and Commandments are what is of importance. GOD created woman for man, there is no other way none that is accepted by GOD. One can argue, make their facts and even have others in agreement with them but it all comes down to does it line up with GOD.

Marriage is sacred it is between GOD, man and woman this union should not be broken because it first must be set up by GOD. It brings about children a generation that will stand for Holiness.

We see in the Bible how the lifestyle of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah angered GOD even with Abraham communing with GOD to not destroy it the people were so far from the will of GOD and theirs hearts sought only evil. GOD destroyed all and everything in it only by the love for Abraham did GOD save Abraham's nephew and his family. When Lot Abraham's nephew and his family was led by an angel were told not to look back Lot's wife disobeyed and therefore was punished. This very sin from the cities showed up within in the daughters of Lot who sought to get their father drunk and sleep with him. This is the very sin nature that displeases GOD. It is to protect our minds from reacting to this sort of sin because if led to increase in numbers will wipe out humankind. As we know same sex can not produce even though mankind has sought out other ways to produce without the law of GOD by sexual intercourse.

Same sex is ungodly in no form or fashion were the male body created for the purpose of sexual intercourse with another male as well as the female. The enemy satan has brainedwashed many but there is still hope we must pray that they have a renewed mind and see the error of their ways Repent and live for GOD.

Those who will not will be turned over to a reprobate mind.

Blessings!!!!!!! :")
 
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I'd remember a few years ago watching the News on T.V. about a man that has gotten his paralyzed girlfriend pregnant; and which people were outrage and reacted harshly, because they had thought that it was disgusting for a man to have sex with his paralyzed wife. But the people didn't know that the woman has feelings as her husband as well. Now a lot of paraplegics were coming up pregnant and then overtime, people has gotten use to it.
 
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God condemns homosexuality just like he condemns every other sin. The homosexual movement is not fighting for equal rights. That is a cover for what they really want: acceptance. They want to make us, who stand on God's side and condemn their lifestyle, accept what they are doing and be happy about it. They are just like Herod and his sister in law. They don't want anybody telling them that they are living in sin and they better repent.
 
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God condemns homosexuality just like he condemns every other sin. The homosexual movement is not fighting for equal rights. That is a cover for what they really want: acceptance. They want to make us, who stand on God's side and condemn their lifestyle, accept what they are doing and be happy about it. They are just like Herod and his sister in law. They don't want anybody telling them that they are living in sin and they better repent.
Being gay is an issue of men not God. Love covers transgression, and God IS love.
 
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Your first mistake is equating the sin of immoral homosexual acts with "being gay." "Being gay" is to be lighthearted and carefree. Obviously, such a person would not be seeking to use the government as an agency to persecute normatively moral people by depriving them of their human right under natural law to a free moral conscience and their religious liberty toward a normative morality.

Your second mistake is in discarding God's holiness as if it were dog poo on your shoe. It is in scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.

The goal of Christianity is to be spiritually reborn into a new creature with a new nature that desires God's holiness (and love) into God's kingdom embarking on a life of sanctification (e.g. purifying oneself of sin even as Christ is pure as per 1 John 3:3).

Choosing to engage in homosexual acts is an issue of men that has already been judged by God. As such, there's nothing "gay" about it. As Jesus said in Matthew 7:23, "I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification is God's formula. You're formula is Salvation-->Desecration--> Glorification. Can you guess where the problem is with your formula? (Hint: replace Desecration with Sanctification).

Being gay is an issue of men not God. Love covers transgression, and God IS love.