Word games? I'm not playing word games. You made a statement that people can live a depraved life of sexual immorality and it's all good because God IS love revealing that you have a seriously flawed understanding of the doctrine of grace in relation to God's holiness. I corrected your false assertion. As a straight A M.Div. with more than twenty-five years of living as a genuine Christian, I'm qualified to do that. So let's correct more of your false assertions.
1. Jesus Christ is NOT a fabricated pagan Roman deity but rather the very real resurrected living son of God.
2. Consistent with the Old Testament, in the New Testament
holiness takes on purity or freedom from sin. The fullness of the biblical witness testifies to God’s holiness (understood as God’s “otherness” and “purity”) as well as to God’s prerogative to set people and things apart for God’s own purposes together with the resulting godliness in the lives of those whom God declares to be holy.
As is the case in the Old Testament, a holy God calls people to holiness (1 Pet. 1:15–16).
Holiness continues to be permanently required of God’s people. The adjective
hagios is often used substantially to refer to Christians in the relationship to God. Through the sanctifying presence of the indwelling Spirit, on the basis of the atoning work of Christ, people who believe are saved and called to progress in holiness purifying themselves even as Christ is pure (e.g. sanctification) in preparation for eternity spent with holy God.
Hence: Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification NOT Salvation-->Desecration-->Glorification.
Genuine Christians (not mere people who profess to be Christians) realize the progressive action of obtaining holiness in their life over time (a process known as sanctification).
Paul uses the terms ‘righteousness’ and ‘sanctification’ in a way which shows their inseparability. Paul could not conceive of a person brought into a right relationship with God whose life would not result in progressive sanctification (i.e. a life of progressive holiness). Read Romans 6.
Paul has in mind both a state and a process of sanctification. That Paul can speak of both aspects of sanctification is confirmed in 2 Cor. 7:1. Here, in language reminiscent of the Old Testament context of purity and holiness, he urges his alienated readers to "cleanse yourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect."
His Christian readers are to purge themselves in every part, inwardly and outwardly (see Ps. 24:2–3, ‘clean hands and pure heart’), and live out the implications of their grace-given relationship to the holy God.
This is something, of course, only achieved with the help of God Himself. Were it not for the indwelling presence of the HOLY Spirit, all of this might seem to be mere wishful thinking. But Paul considers the sanctified life to be possible because of the indwelling presence of God’s empowering HOLY Spirit (2 Thes. 2:13).
Indeed, he says, anyone who rejects this way of living, rejects God who gives his Holy Spirit to you (1 Thes. 4:8).
Truth is found in correspondence. For example, if you sodomize people then you are a sodomizer. If you lie, then you are a liar. If you engage in sexual immorality, then you are a sexually immoral person.
This is why sexual immorality (i.e. homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, fornication, adultery, etc...) does NOT correspond to God's holiness.
Now antinomianism is a term used to characterize believers in the early church who wrongly thought that salvation by faith in Jesus Christ freed them from all moral obligations and that they could sin with impunity (Gk anti, “against,” + nomos, “law”) exactly like you do.
That's why the Apostles took care to refute it in letters to the early church.
Read 1 Timothy 1:9-11: "We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God..."
Read Ephesians 5: "Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Read 1 Thessalonians 4: "Finally, then, brothers, we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, just as you are doing, that you do so more and more.
For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God."
Read 1 Corinthians 6: 12-20 "18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."
Etc... etc... etc...
The issue is not whether those outside God's kingdom are or are not Christian (their status is known), but whether those within the church (e.g. all regenerated believers of Christ worldwide past, present, and future in God's kingdoms joined to Christ via their spiritual rebirth [e.g. regeneration of one's spirit and soul by the Holy Spirit Rom 8:9-10; John 3:7; Titus 3:5-8; 1 Peter 1:3, etc...]) are truly regenerate or merely professing to be.
If people claim to be regenerate and live wicked lives filled with blatant sexual immorality such as homosexuality, J
ohn the apostle states that the regeneration of those people should be doubted for their life shows that they are still a child of the devil in an unregenerate state. Jesus and the apostles clearly state in the Bible that we do NOT all have one father.
Jesus and the apostles refute your false assertions.
God's normative morality is very simply that which aligns with God's holiness or in theology that which corresponds to God's holiness qualified by an accurate application of His special revelation.
Jesus Christ taught on the Sermon on the Mount:
"Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'" Matthew 7:20-23
Using your logic, a person could be committing adultery with his father's wife and as long as he "loved" them (
it wouldn't be with God's love obviously because if it was he wouldn't be engaging in sexual immorality with his father's wife for he would love his father and his wife too much to engage in sexual immorality with them) it would be all good for they would just be breaking a "moral law" that has no consequence or significance as long as he loves them.
That's how ignorant and deceived you are. The truth is that if he truly loved his neighbor, he wouldn't commit sexual immorality period. If you truly love someone, you don't engage in depraved sexual perversity with them. You've got it all backwards. Let's see what Paul the Apostle actually says about this very situation in the Bible.
Read 1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “'Expel the wicked person from among you.'”
So you're a false teacher "Flamingspirit" who teaches EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE BIBLE DOES.
You equate a covenant established by God Himself (e.g. marriage between one man and one woman) with sexual immorality.
You state that God's holiness is not relevant for humanity any longer.
You confuse God's agape love shed in the heart of the regenerate by God's own HOLY Spirit with carnal feelings the unregenerate have for those they partner with in sexual immorality.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the doctrines of grace and morality.
You show that you have no idea what true love is.
You call righteousness hateful. You falsely accuse people who love God and His holiness and because their hearts have been regenerated by God's own HOLY spirit hateful if they point out that sexual immorality is sin
because they love others with God's pure love.
Jesus Christ, the apostles, the church fathers, the Holy Bible, etc... ALL refute and oppose your false assertions.
Your theology is false. Your logic is fallacious. You are either deceived or a liar but either way you're a false teacher.
Please, no word games. You know what I'm referring to. To some "Jesus" means Zeus. These people are not seeking anything. They are being used and manipulated for the same reason you are. To keep separation and enmity between you two.
You do not know what it means to be holy. To start, it means to be set apart, but that's a topic for another time and thread. And I choose to keep love simple. If you are married, did you give your wife a set of "moral laws" responsibilities and functions to define your love? Or did you make a vow to love her FOR BETTER OR FOR WORST???
This is exactly what you are doing to homosexuals in going to the law. I couldn't have said it better. Again love is simple, it covers faults and sins, and it leads to forgiveness and the understanding of grace.
Can't tell you what "Antinomianism" is but to love (that word again) your neighbor as yourself fulfills ALL of whatever moral law you have indoctrinated yourself upon. Can a homosexual love you as himself? Yes. Law fulfilled!
Why can't you do the same? Any man who hates his brother is a murderer, correct? You see yourself saved, and still call yourself a sinner, and then want to bring condemnation on another for being the same? So when you speak of these things, do you not teach yourself? Or are not these people your brethren too?
Have we not all one father? Have not one God created us? So if any man sees himself saved no matter what, what greater love can he has to see the same in everyone else, his brethren.
The first part is true to a real Christian, that no matter what tribulation he may go through in life, his inner man is at peace because he knows where he is going. He knows this because he can see in faith all there with him. The red is something that men came up with. If you cannot understand what I am saying in nothing else, try to understand that NO MAN ASKED TO BE HERE to begin with. Now I can break down biblically how the commandment of homosexuality was done away with, but you will not listen. The bible is a powerful two edged sword. What that means is that there's a thread on CC supporting the trinity complete with verses, and there are threads that dispute the trinity complete with verses. So then it is the heart that directs what a person will get out of it. Are you looking for life, or are you looking for death? Now let me give you an example of what I mean.
There is a law in the bible that says pretty much that if a man rapes a female, he must pay the woman's father and keep her.
Obviously this law does NOT apply to us in this day and time and you can understand that, but do you know why this law was written to begin with?
This is true in its proper meaning. Emphasis on the word NEW. But if we continue (which we are doing) on the things we KNOW are destroyed (if they die for being gay, then what WILL you die for) that makes us transgressors.
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This is why I say everyday here to get rid of money! There are 7 billion people here on this planet today. How much of the percentage of this do you really believe are homosexual (come on you all, use common sense, we are 7BILLION PEOPLE)?
Again, the first part is true. The wages of sin is death, as such you are judged the same as well. By the law no flesh is justified, not even Jesus. So why use the law unjustly when you yourself cannot be justified by it?
The part in red is us. We still die in the midst of a risen savior.
This makes no sense.
