"The Lord will miraculously heal."

[Depleted]

I and my fellow church members never declare that God will or must heal
someone because of our faith.
We do not command Jesus to do anything because of our own efforts or
doctrine.
We offer to pray for people with the hope that it is the will of God to
honour our prayers and faith and bless a person in need.

If a person does not get a healing instantly or is raised up miraculously
we do not blame the person in need; but rather we examine ourselves
on issues of faith, or our attitude or what might be lacking in myself.
It is never the fault of a person in need.

I remember when a woman, named Pat, was gravely ill and the whole church
was praying for her healing and recovery.
I fasted and prayed for her.
On the third day of prayer, while praying in tongues, I had a vision travelling
through of a most magnificent baroque style palace.
I knew then and there that Pat had died in the Lord. Jesus revealed this to me
(and I presume others) by giving a vision of his promise to us ...

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:2

Later on the following Sunday God spoke to his church through the gift of
prophecy and said (I'm paraphrasing here):
that we need not overly grieve or get despondent about the death of our loved
ones for they are asleep in Christ Jesus.
They have their salvation and are no longer tempted, nor suffer any more tribulations
and trials of faith, but are at peace.
They shall rise up at the last trumpet and be forever with their Lord and Saviour.

No one ever blamed Pat, or her husband Henry, for any lack of faith or for being
at fault in some way.
We would all have desired for Pat to be raised up miraculously - as a testimony
to our doctrine and faith. Very reassuring for us.
But our lives are in the hands of God and we all need to be righteous in faith
and our daily living ready to meet our Lord at any time.

Again recently two young men from another Assembly on the other side of
Adelaide were killed outright in a car crash.
People were in a state of shock. How could God possibly allow this?
People wobbled in their faith and commitment and sought answers.

The answer is like the vows of a traditional wedding -
for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better for worse, etc...
God does not promise us a bed of roses and an easy way of contentment
with no challenges nor trials and no tribulations.

At best we hope and pray, and seek the Lord.
And we rejoice in the hope and the promise that those who do depart in the
faith have their salvation in Christ Jesus our God and Redeemer.

Cool, because I was asking those who do say that God will heal the person.

 

[Willie-T]

I thought I might try and simplify again what I think you are asking! Really, I thought it was plain and clear in your OP and subsequent posts, but I guess there are some reading comprehension issues in the forum, to say nothing of people who really do NOT care what the OP was, and will use any opportunity to push their agenda.


1. If you pronounce that God has healed a sick person, in the name of Jesus, and they are not healed, then what?

2. If the person dies, and you foretold in the name of Jesus that they would rise up from their sickbed, what then?

3. What do we do with these people running around and claiming ”God told me to pray for you to be healed” and the poor sick person is not healed? In fact, they die of their sickness?

What do you intend to do about them? Has God given any of us a mandate to "do anything about anyone?" The problem does not seem to be the person speaking, but rather, the person listening to them as though they somehow were God's spokesperson.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Why pray for healing if you don't believe God hears and will answer? Once we pray, the details of working it out are with God.

Jesus says, "You will never die. Do you believe this?" Yes, I believe Him. Even if He "kills" me, I still believe Him and trust Him. Jesus Christ is more real and faithful than what our flesh tells us.

He instructs us to pray for the sick so that they'll recover. That's eternal Truth. All our doubting and fear doesn't change it.

John 8:51 "Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."

 

[Depleted]

I thought I might try and simplify again what I think you are asking! Really, I thought it was plain and clear in your OP and subsequent posts, but I guess there are some reading comprehension issues in the forum, to say nothing of people who really do NOT care what the OP was, and will use any opportunity to push their agenda.


1. If you pronounce that God has healed a sick person, in the name of Jesus, and they are not healed, then what?

2. If the person dies, and you foretold in the name of Jesus that they would rise up from their sickbed, what then?

3. What do we do with these people running around and claiming ”God told me to pray for you to be healed” and the poor sick person is not healed? In fact, they die of their sickness?

Welll, technically I didn't ask the third question, but it's a good question to ask.

 

[BillG]

So if I cause someone deep hurt, deep sorrow, and deep anger toward God because I was stupid enough to say God told me he would heal their loved one, and that loved one died, I ask for forgiveness and then wash my hands of that person?

Doesn't sound like God's will to me either.

I think hardsell was saying "as a result of getting it wrong if you apologised and asked for forgiveness then you have done what is right" if they refuse to accept your apology then it's in their court.

If they refuse to accept it then It's in their hands and not yours.

 

[Depleted]

Whomever told someone else God would heal another person needs to take a long look at Scripture, get under some sound preaching, teaching and instruction. That right there tells me they have no clue as to what the Gospel is, nor is there much understanding of the nature and character of God. Unreal.

[video=youtube;cJHpGmjGX-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJHpGmjGX-g[/video]

Poor Sproul. Out of all he said and did, his best line comes down to "What's wrong with you people?" lol

 

[Depleted]

I think healing will come depending on our spiritual walk with God,whether it draws us closer to God,or away from Him.

Paul was given a thorn in the flesh to keep him humble,so he would not get exalted above measure for the abundance of revelations God showed him,for if he would of exalted himself then God could not use him like He would want to use him,for God resists the proud but gives grace unto the humble.

Paul asked God three times for it to be taken away,and the answer was no,My grace is sufficient for you,so Paul said he will glory in his infirmities,for when he is weak then he is strong,for the power of Christ rests on him.

What if someone were in a wheelchair,but had trouble with thoughts of the opposite sex,and gets healed,and then is out at the bar,and chasing women,his healing was not good in his spiritual walk with God.

Some people might not get healed if it is going to cause their spiritual walk with God to decline.

Better to have an ailment and closer to God depending on Him,than to have no ailment,in great health,and wavering in your walk with God,and not depending on Him as much.

Like God said concerning now,they say they are rich,and increased with goods,and say they have need of nothing,but do not know that they are in bad shape,for they do not depend on God like they should.

Better to be poor and be closer to God depending on Him,than to be rich and wavering in your walk with God,and not depending on Him as much,and also it neglects the poor and needy,which then their faith is dead.

We are not to trust in riches,but in God.

Also Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith,which a lot of people lack faith,which can come by way of loving money,and material things,wants,and having sin in their life,which love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,and is not arrogant,and not selfish,and not unkind,and only goes by their needs,and helps the poor and needy.

And there will be a lot of hypocrites at the end time,so there will not be a whole lot of healings,and the prayers of a righteous person avails much,not the prayers of a hypocrite.

Considering you didn't bother reading my post, don't mind me for not reading yours.

 

[Depleted]

What do you intend to do about them? Has God given any of us a mandate to "do anything about anyone?" The problem does not seem to be the person speaking, but rather, the person listening to them as though they somehow were God's spokesperson.

You're the one who set your story up that you were God handing out money to anyone willing to open their hands. Now you're complaining because we find that offensive?

Yeah. I find it offensive to tell people "open your hand because I have a wad of money," knowing all along you didn't mean THEY'd get your money.

 

[Depleted]

Why pray for healing if you don't believe God hears and will answer? Once we pray, the details of working it out are with God.

Jesus says, "You will never die. Do you believe this?" Yes, I believe Him. Even if He "kills" me, I still believe Him and trust Him. Jesus Christ is more real and faithful than what our flesh tells us.

He instructs us to pray for the sick so that they'll recover. That's eternal Truth. All our doubting and fear doesn't change it.

John 8:51 "Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."

You find the dude who keeps God's word, and I'll be sure to send all the sick his way.

 

[Willie-T]

You're the one who set your story up that you were God handing out money to anyone willing to open their hands. Now you're complaining because we find that offensive?

Yeah. I find it offensive to tell people "open your hand because I have a wad of money," knowing all along you didn't mean THEY'd get your money.

You have a horrible habit of constantly trying to change what someone posts. Go back and read what I ACTUALLY said.

 

[Depleted]

I think hardsell was saying "as a result of getting it wrong if you apologised and asked for forgiveness then you have done what is right" if they refuse to accept your apology then it's in their court.

If they refuse to accept it then It's in their hands and not yours.

When I'm really completely sorry, and I know it's all my fault, I go all out to try and make things right with the person. I've never had anyone stay mad at me for too long. (Not to be confused with being mad at me for a while.) And, even if the person doesn't accept my apology right away, if humanly possible, he/she is getting dinner sent to home. He/she is getting the snow brushed off the car. If the loved one's passing was such a shock no funeral plans were made, I'm taking up a collection to help those expenses. I'm sending a card of sympathy. And, if any way possible, I'm going to keep checking up on the person to see if they need any help doing stuff they just don't want to do because they're mourning.

Mostly? Mostly I'm praying a whole lot that God helps this person grieve. Because, sometimes, society goes off and decides for us how long to grieve, and truthfully, grieving is as long as grieving takes. No shorter. And it really never completely goes away.

That's no mere person going through that grief. If I told them that person would live, and he did not? I am the cause of part of that grief.

 

[Depleted]

You have a horrible habit of constantly trying to change what someone posts. Go back and read what I ACTUALLY said.

Why? You didn't bother answering what I asked after you posted anyone. You tend to post and run, then come back, post more, and run again.

 

[preacher4truth]

Poor Sproul. Out of all he said and did, his best line comes down to "What's wrong with you people?" lol

I truly love, respect and miss that man of God.

 

[BillG]

When I'm really completely sorry, and I know it's all my fault, I go all out to try and make things right with the person. I've never had anyone stay mad at me for too long. (Not to be confused with being mad at me for a while.) And, even if the person doesn't accept my apology right away, if humanly possible, he/she is getting dinner sent to home. He/she is getting the snow brushed off the car. If the loved one's passing was such a shock no funeral plans were made, I'm taking up a collection to help those expenses. I'm sending a card of sympathy. And, if any way possible, I'm going to keep checking up on the person to see if they need any help doing stuff they just don't want to do because they're mourning.

Mostly? Mostly I'm praying a whole lot that God helps this person grieve. Because, sometimes, society goes off and decides for us how long to grieve, and truthfully, grieving is as long as grieving takes. No shorter. And it really never completely goes away.

That's no mere person going through that grief. If I told them that person would live, and he did not? I am the cause of part of that grief.

Yes you were, only to the point that you got it wrong and not God.
You have followed up your getting it wrong. I'm sure you are doing it out of love and not in order to be forgiven.

 

[RickyZ]

If only that were my question. That wasn't even remotely related to my question.

Actually, yes it was. If someone said a person was going to be healed, and then they die, WHAT I WOULD DO is praise God for their full and eternal healing. Assuming they are Christs, of course.

But I get your point about false prophets.

 

[AuntieAnt]

You find the dude who keeps God's word, and I'll be sure to send all the sick his way.

Jesus healed all them that came to Him.

 

[PennEd]

Why pray for healing if you don't believe God hears and will answer? Once we pray, the details of working it out are with God.

Jesus says, "You will never die. Do you believe this?" Yes, I believe Him. Even if He "kills" me, I still believe Him and trust Him. Jesus Christ is more real and faithful than what our flesh tells us.

He instructs us to pray for the sick so that they'll recover. That's eternal Truth. All our doubting and fear doesn't change it.

John 8:51 "Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."

Sister. Your question, implies that God's answer always has to be yes.

The Lord sometimes answers no, and sometimes we aren't always told why it is no. But we DO know it's always for our good and His glory.

Jesus prayed that His Father would take the cup from Him. It is likely the saints in Hebrews prayed not to be tortured and sawn in half, but both achieved a better resurrection.
Christ to eternal glory, and the saints we know not what yet.

 

[OtherWay210]

If you are a believer, Christ can heal through you, in His name. It has been done .

Everything you read in the Bible Christ did, follows those that have faith and believe.

No faith ? then forget it .

Also do things Gods way . Wont care to do it His way ? Forget it . We are told to anoint with the olive oil and ask God to bless it in Christs name .

Do no doubt, only believe.


Mark 16:17-18King James Version (KJV)

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Luke 1:37 (KJV)
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

 

[OtherWay210]

If you see the word tongues, and think you need to babble, or that you can drink poison, then you're not getting it .
That is Not Gods way . God wont bless stupidity ... We have to live according to Gods written Word.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Sister. Your question, implies that God's answer always has to be yes.

The Lord sometimes answers no, and sometimes we aren't always told why it is no. But we DO know it's always for our good and His glory.

Jesus prayed that His Father would take the cup from Him. It is likely the saints in Hebrews prayed not to be tortured and sawn in half, but both achieved a better resurrection.
Christ to eternal glory, and the saints we know not what yet.

I'm sorry if that's what it seemed I was implying, brother PennEd. I was saying that when we pray, we are to believe we will receive what we ask of God. And of course, our Father will answer according to His will.

Jesus prayed, "Father, if you are willing, please take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

God is faithful to answer (according to His will) because all of His promises are yes and amen.