The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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Dear Svedbygrace,
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
C
Dear Svedbygrace,
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
C
Dear Svedbygrace,
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
The passage your looking for is in I timothy 2: 1 thru 6.
1.) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men:
2.) For Kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may be lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3.)For this[is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4.)Who will have ALL men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5.)For there is one God, and mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ;
6.) Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
Respectfully, Here is your "All the world" you were asking for. All the sins of the world have been paid for by the blood of Christ.
God now offers the free gift of salvation to everyone who would believe that Christ died for everyone.
He gives everyone the FREE CHOICE to accept it or reject it.
it is the individuals choice. No one can make this choice for them.
Svedbygrace,
Your reference to "False Christ's" in Matt.24 is a reference to the end times. This is wrong due to an innocent error on your part involving future events. They have nothing to due with church denominations. These False Christ's i.e. False prophets, will appear on earth after Gods removal of the great restrainer(the holy Spirit). This will occur a some point in time before the Trubulation Starts.
I hope this was helpful to you.
In Christs Name
C
Your words;
So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
Here is your scriptural proof: I Timothy 2: 1-6 More precise I Timothy 2:3-6
v3 - For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour:
v4 - Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
v5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ:
v6 - Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
In verse 3 GOD is the "Who" in verse 4 who will haveall men to be saved. Verse 5 restates that there is one God and this God has places one mediator between HIMSELF and men, the MAN Jesus Christ. Who gave himself a ransom (Died on the Cross)
FOR ALL.
Please forgive my multiple listings. I'm new to this and am still trying to learn the proceedured.
So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
Here is your scriptural proof: I Timothy 2: 1-6 More precise I Timothy 2:3-6
v3 - For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour:
v4 - Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
v5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ:
v6 - Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
In verse 3 GOD is the "Who" in verse 4 who will haveall men to be saved. Verse 5 restates that there is one God and this God has places one mediator between HIMSELF and men, the MAN Jesus Christ. Who gave himself a ransom (Died on the Cross)
FOR ALL.
Please forgive my multiple listings. I'm new to this and am still trying to learn the proceedured.
The Death of Christ Gathers !
That other Sheep I have [ other than jewish sheep] and them too I must bring or gather, same connotation as Jn 11:52
52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Yes, His Death has gathering power...
The end of Christ death is to Gather into one The Children of God, or the Children of Promise Rom 9:8.
So the death of Christ in and of itself [no help from man] Gathers in or brings to God, all for whom He died. He brings them to Glory, for thats the stated purpose Heb 2:10
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringingmany sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
It is they who by His death shall be made righteous as per Rom 5:19b
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The obedience here means His death or His cross Phil 2:8
8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.280
52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Yes, His Death has gathering power...
The end of Christ death is to Gather into one The Children of God, or the Children of Promise Rom 9:8.
So the death of Christ in and of itself [no help from man] Gathers in or brings to God, all for whom He died. He brings them to Glory, for thats the stated purpose Heb 2:10
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringingmany sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
It is they who by His death shall be made righteous as per Rom 5:19b
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The obedience here means His death or His cross Phil 2:8
8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.280
The "...other sheep I have which are not of this fold" (John 10:16) are one and the same with "...the children of God that were scattered abroad" (John 11:52). These were "...the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24) the non-Jew Israelites of the dispersion.
When Jesus walked in Palestine most Isralites were in dispersion, and had been for over 600 years. It was they that the Judean Pharisees spoke of when saying, "...will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles" (John 7:35)?
Thus were the Christians called Gentiles in Paul's epistles. They were not (as seminaries teach) a mixture of Canaanites, Edomites and/or other non-Israelites. Do not be deceived with this idea. All contextual evidence in Paul's epistles identify the Christian "Gentiles" as non-Jew Diaspora Israelites, as "...the lost sheep of the house of Israel" being regathered in the New Covenant.
When Jesus walked in Palestine most Isralites were in dispersion, and had been for over 600 years. It was they that the Judean Pharisees spoke of when saying, "...will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles" (John 7:35)?
Thus were the Christians called Gentiles in Paul's epistles. They were not (as seminaries teach) a mixture of Canaanites, Edomites and/or other non-Israelites. Do not be deceived with this idea. All contextual evidence in Paul's epistles identify the Christian "Gentiles" as non-Jew Diaspora Israelites, as "...the lost sheep of the house of Israel" being regathered in the New Covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:8 say that the New Covenant was promised to, and made with "...the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah." Jesus, speaking to a Canaanite woman said, "...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not meet to take the children's bread and to cast it to dogs" (Matt. 15:24, 26). Roman's 9:4-5 says:
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. A'-men. Romans 9:4-5
Since Essau also, was of Abraham, it was necessary for Paul to explain that his descendants were not those "to whom pertaineth." This is stated as "...these are not the children of God" (v. 8), and "...Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" (v. 12).
Question number one: Do the above references agree with a Jesus who came to, and died for, all men without exception?
Question number two: If, as taught by the religious establishment, everything listed in Romans 9:4-5 pertaineth also to Edomites, Canaanites and other non-Israelites why is it not found equally distributed among them?
Question number three: If, as seminaries teach, the Christian "Gentiles" were not non-Jew Diaspora Israelites (the covenant people), where in the context of Paul's epistles are they identified as Edomites, Canaanites and/or other nearby non-Israleites?
Question number four: If, as the seminaries teach, there was a wholesale rejection of Jesus by Israel, why, for most of Christian history, have the essentials of Christianity listed in Romans 9:4-5 not been equally found among non-European people. Why has the New Covenant, that which was promised to, and made with, "the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" been so disproportionately found among the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Scandinavian and related European people? Why does the religious establishment ignore and/or claim that this is mere coincidence?
Question number five: Why is Jesus and the New Covenant, that which was promised to, and made with "...the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" (Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:8) so disproportionately absent among those the seminary professors say pertaineth the covenants and everything mentioned in Romans 9:4-5? Why?
Question number six: Why do seminary professors tell we who accept Jesus as Messiah "come in the flesh" (2 John v. 7) to bless and support those who deny that Messiah "is come in the flesh?" The apostle John, in the verses that follow said the opposite. Why then does the religious establishment tell us that we must bless and support "...them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9)---or God will curse us!
For a good source of uncensored truth on this subject go to Home
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. A'-men. Romans 9:4-5
Since Essau also, was of Abraham, it was necessary for Paul to explain that his descendants were not those "to whom pertaineth." This is stated as "...these are not the children of God" (v. 8), and "...Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" (v. 12).
Question number one: Do the above references agree with a Jesus who came to, and died for, all men without exception?
Question number two: If, as taught by the religious establishment, everything listed in Romans 9:4-5 pertaineth also to Edomites, Canaanites and other non-Israelites why is it not found equally distributed among them?
Question number three: If, as seminaries teach, the Christian "Gentiles" were not non-Jew Diaspora Israelites (the covenant people), where in the context of Paul's epistles are they identified as Edomites, Canaanites and/or other nearby non-Israleites?
Question number four: If, as the seminaries teach, there was a wholesale rejection of Jesus by Israel, why, for most of Christian history, have the essentials of Christianity listed in Romans 9:4-5 not been equally found among non-European people. Why has the New Covenant, that which was promised to, and made with, "the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" been so disproportionately found among the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Scandinavian and related European people? Why does the religious establishment ignore and/or claim that this is mere coincidence?
Question number five: Why is Jesus and the New Covenant, that which was promised to, and made with "...the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" (Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:8) so disproportionately absent among those the seminary professors say pertaineth the covenants and everything mentioned in Romans 9:4-5? Why?
Question number six: Why do seminary professors tell we who accept Jesus as Messiah "come in the flesh" (2 John v. 7) to bless and support those who deny that Messiah "is come in the flesh?" The apostle John, in the verses that follow said the opposite. Why then does the religious establishment tell us that we must bless and support "...them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9)---or God will curse us!
For a good source of uncensored truth on this subject go to Home
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John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
And he was and is raised from the dead, lifted up, and so all are drawn, not all beleive and none were ever saved by the death. It is life that saves, yet death had to come before new life could be given, So
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Notice death above was first needed for reconciliation, but one is not saved without new life in Spirit of God, and that is a free gift to all that believe God.
And he was and is raised from the dead, lifted up, and so all are drawn, not all beleive and none were ever saved by the death. It is life that saves, yet death had to come before new life could be given, So
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Notice death above was first needed for reconciliation, but one is not saved without new life in Spirit of God, and that is a free gift to all that believe God.
Only a Remnant shall be saved !
Romans 9:27
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
The word remnant is the greek word hypoleimma and means remains
That means it is equivalent to a few, or a small part..it's made up of the root word kataleipo meaning:
to leave behind
a) to depart from, leave
1) to be left
b) to bid (one) to remain
c) to forsake, leave to one's self a person or thing by ceasing to care for it, to abandon, leave in the lurch
1) to be abandoned, forsaken
d) to cause to be left over, to reserve, to leave remaining
It has never been God's purpose, desire, or will to save all mankind without a exception, even as it was not with Israel, but only a portion.
Jesus reaffirms this idea in His words Matt 7:13
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Jesus could say this and mean it, for He is the life and the way to life, and He is the one who must find us for that Life..
Lk 15:4-5
4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Jn 10:10
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they [His Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
He came to save the remnant of mankind that were of His Sheep, whether of the jews or gentiles.
The remnant are those He particularly reserves for Himself as Illustrated in Rom 11:4-5
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Notice, He says a remnant that I have reserved for myself, that is God is quite active in this reserving for Himself. The word for reserve is the same word earlier that was the root word for remnant..
God reserves for Himself a remnant of mankind from Idolatry, or baal worship and worship of the beast in the last days Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The remnant that does not worship the beast are those whose names were written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, corresponding to the reserved in Israel of old who were kept back from baal worship, who were of the election of grace..
This was due to the Lamb slain from the foundation, the cross work of Jesus Christ, for this goes to prove the scope and intention of His death and its effects amongst mankind.
Why would Christ die for any who were not written in His book of life before the foundation ?
Why would God save by Grace, whom He did not chooses in the election of Grace ? Those He did not choose are called the rest Rom 11:7
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
The rest are also a remnant ! So God purposed that there would be a remnant of mankind that are to be blinded..
Its in the passive voice, were hardened, by the purpose and power of God, were hardened !
Those outside of the election of grace, not written in the lambs book of life, Christ did not die for, hence its only a myth that Christ died for all men without exception, for He died only for that remnant that shall be saved281
Romans 9:27
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
The word remnant is the greek word hypoleimma and means remains
That means it is equivalent to a few, or a small part..it's made up of the root word kataleipo meaning:
to leave behind
a) to depart from, leave
1) to be left
b) to bid (one) to remain
c) to forsake, leave to one's self a person or thing by ceasing to care for it, to abandon, leave in the lurch
1) to be abandoned, forsaken
d) to cause to be left over, to reserve, to leave remaining
It has never been God's purpose, desire, or will to save all mankind without a exception, even as it was not with Israel, but only a portion.
Jesus reaffirms this idea in His words Matt 7:13
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Jesus could say this and mean it, for He is the life and the way to life, and He is the one who must find us for that Life..
Lk 15:4-5
4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Jn 10:10
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they [His Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
He came to save the remnant of mankind that were of His Sheep, whether of the jews or gentiles.
The remnant are those He particularly reserves for Himself as Illustrated in Rom 11:4-5
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Notice, He says a remnant that I have reserved for myself, that is God is quite active in this reserving for Himself. The word for reserve is the same word earlier that was the root word for remnant..
God reserves for Himself a remnant of mankind from Idolatry, or baal worship and worship of the beast in the last days Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The remnant that does not worship the beast are those whose names were written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, corresponding to the reserved in Israel of old who were kept back from baal worship, who were of the election of grace..
This was due to the Lamb slain from the foundation, the cross work of Jesus Christ, for this goes to prove the scope and intention of His death and its effects amongst mankind.
Why would Christ die for any who were not written in His book of life before the foundation ?
Why would God save by Grace, whom He did not chooses in the election of Grace ? Those He did not choose are called the rest Rom 11:7
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
The rest are also a remnant ! So God purposed that there would be a remnant of mankind that are to be blinded..
Its in the passive voice, were hardened, by the purpose and power of God, were hardened !
Those outside of the election of grace, not written in the lambs book of life, Christ did not die for, hence its only a myth that Christ died for all men without exception, for He died only for that remnant that shall be saved281
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John 6:33 "For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the whole world."
John 6:35 Jesus declared, " I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." Skip to 6:40 " For my father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day." NIV
I believe that everyone means everyone. If you trust and believe that Jesus died on the cross for you.
John 6:35 Jesus declared, " I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." Skip to 6:40 " For my father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day." NIV
I believe that everyone means everyone. If you trust and believe that Jesus died on the cross for you.