The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

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saved1975

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svedbygrace said:
Do you believe each and everyone Christ died for will as a result and effect of His Death trust in Him ? Yes or No ?
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The answer to that is NO..
You must believe that Jesus died for you, But you don't trust Him.
Mk 16: 15--16, .Jn 1: 12--13. Jn 3: 15--17.
 
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svedbygrace said:
The world in all those verses means the all the Elect, Sheep, or the Church.

See most people do not understand what the word world means. Its the word kosmos and one of its meaning is :

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort !

So that means, all of His Sheep make up a World ! Or all of Christ's Body members the Church, constitute a World. Tats the World Christ came to save and did save by His Death. So appealing to the word world cannot help you here, because it means any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort . This you cannot possibly refute, sorry !
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And EVERYBODY has the Free Will to become a member of His Flock, to become one of His Sheep, just by believing that Christ is the Savior. This is what He meant and who He died for. You. Me. My sister. The cop on the beat. The clerk at the Am/Pm. The prisoner in cell block 98. EVERYONE!
 
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saved1975 said:
The myth is, Jesus only died for the elect.
2 Cor 5: 19. 1 Jn 2: 2. 1 Tim 4: 10.
All say Jesus died for the whole world.

In fact in 1 Tim 4: 11, we are commanded to teach that God is the saviour of all men.
But it's those who believe that enjoy the blessings of salvation.
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therefore I am convinced to tell all men that God does just love them, beleive and seek this out, to be set free to love as God does in 1 Cor 13:4-13, usually used to condemn, and God wants to give this to you in the new life God gives via the resurrected Christ, The full Gospel not the half sham one where he just died for you, now you better get out there and make smoke as the world has twisted this into this mess. Yet so he did die for all, but there is no life in death is there?
 
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This seems rather obvious but:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that WHOEVER believed in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth that "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
vs. 12 & 13 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him, for "EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Shall I go on? I can of course, but....
 
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svedbygrace

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Nancyer said:
This seems rather obvious but:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that WHOEVER believed in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth that "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
vs. 12 & 13 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him, for "EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Shall I go on? I can of course, but....
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Not one of those scriptures say that everyone has a freewill to become a member of Christ flock. You obviously cannot read !
 
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Nancyer

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I can read, but I don't need things spelled out to me word for word in such minute detail.
The words FREE WILL don't have to be specified in each and every scripture. When it says everyone who calls on the name of... it means everyone who CHOOSES to call on the name of....

Whoever believes in Him means whoever CHOOSES to believe in Him. WHOEVER doesn't refer to whoever is worthy, or whoever is without sin or whoever God likes. It means WHOEVER makes the choice and anyone can make that choice.

I'm sorry, but this seems obvious to me. If you walked in a crowded room and said "Whoever wants to go to lunch, follow me," then ANYBODY in the room could go to lunch with you. If you were inviting only certain people you would say "Whoever is wearing green sneakers and wants to go to lunch, follow me." See the difference?
 
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svedbygrace

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Nancyer said:
I can read, but I don't need things spelled out to me word for word in such minute detail.
The words FREE WILL don't have to be specified in each and every scripture. When it says everyone who calls on the name of... it means everyone who CHOOSES to call on the name of....

Whoever believes in Him means whoever CHOOSES to believe in Him. WHOEVER doesn't refer to whoever is worthy, or whoever is without sin or whoever God likes. It means WHOEVER makes the choice and anyone can make that choice.

I'm sorry, but this seems obvious to me. If you walked in a crowded room and said "Whoever wants to go to lunch, follow me," then ANYBODY in the room could go to lunch with you. If you were inviting only certain people you would say "Whoever is wearing green sneakers and wants to go to lunch, follow me." See the difference?
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Evidently you can't read, since you don't have a scripture that states what you stated !
 
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