The Order Of 7 Books In The Old Testament PROVE A Pre Trib. Rapture!

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ChosenbyHim

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Pre Trib Rapture Moment 18: The Order Of 7 Books In The Old Testament PROVE A Pre Trib. Rapture!


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Published on Dec 21, 2013
Read the books of Ezra through Ecclesiastes, and you will see that the order of these books lays out the future of the nation of Israel. The book of Esther tells how the Gentile queen Vashti was taken away and a Jewish queen Esther was given to the king. Vashti pictures the disobedient body of Christ which exists on the earth today!
 

Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."

1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

The pre-trib doctrine was never preached before around 1830, and is in place to get people to accepth the anti-Messiah, they will be told "meeting Christ in the air is not literal, it's is a higher state of consciousness." The UN has been publishing magazines about thier comin "cosmic christ" for 40 years or something, called "Matreyu." (sp) You need to look into "PROJECT BLUE BEAM," they plan on using hologram technology to fake the second coming, and this is no cracker-jack attempt, it real and it's real serious. Many will fall for it if it happens.

Mattithyah 24:24-25, "For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!"

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223 - The New Age Agenda - Amazing Discoveries TV

625 - The Coming Cosmic Christ / Secrets of the Ages - John Triplett - YouTube

Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)

Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
 

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The Hebrew Bible uses a different order so your point is moot.
 

Hizikyah

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The Hebrew Bible uses a different order so your point is moot.
What????

Matt 24: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

ChosenbyHim

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The Hebrew Bible uses a different order so your point is moot.


Hello there Misty77, I understand that the Hebrew Bible uses a different order than the English Bible.


But that does not negate the truth of Bryan Denlinger's teaching in this video segment. The translators of the King James Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit. God preserved His word.


And there is a reason why He changed the order of the books of the Canon of Scripture as His pure word was being translated into the English language.
 
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What????

Matt 24: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Not to mention all of the pictures, paintings and future context through out the prophets and the psalms as well as in the law of Moses.
 
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That guy sounds knuts
 
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Hello there Misty77, I understand that the Hebrew Bible uses a different order than the English Bible.

But that does not negate the truth of Bryan Denlinger's teaching in this video segment. The translators of the King James Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit. God preserved His word.

And there is a reason why He changed the order of the books of the Canon of Scripture as His pure word was being translated into the English language.

The order of the books in the King James Bible was not inspired, only the text itself.


Zone, the TEXT of the Authorized King James Bible is inerrant and infallible.

The commentaries and notes which men write in the Holy Bible are not infallible, only the HOLY BIBLE itself is INFALLIBLE and INERRANT.
 

john832

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The Hebrew Bible uses a different order so your point is moot.
Originally, the O.T. ended with Chronicles.

The original order of the N.T. was not what we have today either.

I think it went Gospels, Acts, the universal epsitles, then Paul's writings then Rev. Even Paul's writings were in a different order.
 

jb

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The Order Of 7 Books In The Old Testament PROVE A Pre Trib. Rapture!
Complete And Utter Rubbish!

The actual order of any OT (or NT books for that matter) books have absolutely NO bearing on when the rapture will occur (which occurs immediately after the Great Tribulation, Matt 24v29-31)...period!

You people who believe in a (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture, do you think that by continually saying that it going to occur BEFORE the GT, that it is actually going to happen that way?

There is NO such thing as a (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture, so put away this false mantra!
 

john832

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Complete And Utter Rubbish!

The actual order of any OT (or NT books for that matter) books have absolutely NO bearing on when the rapture will occur (which occurs immediately after the Great Tribulation, Matt 24v29-31)...period!

You people who believe in a (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture, do you think that by continually saying that it going to occur BEFORE the GT, that it is actually going to happen that way?

There is NO such thing as a (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture, so put away this false mantra!
Excellent!
 

ChosenbyHim

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There is NO such thing as a (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture, so put away this false mantra!

There will be a catching away of the Body of Christ.

And JB, just because you continue to deny a Biblical truth, it's not going to change it. The King James Bible teaches a pre-trib. Rapture of the Body of Christ. Therefore the Body of Christ will be removed off of the earth before the time of Jacob's trouble starts.
 
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Hello there Misty77, I understand that the Hebrew Bible uses a different order than the English Bible.


But that does not negate the truth of Bryan Denlinger's teaching in this video segment. The translators of the King James Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit. God preserved His word.


And there is a reason why He changed the order of the books of the Canon of Scripture as His pure word was being translated into the English language.
transliterate and translate are two different words and without a doubt there are words that are transliterated instead of translated not to mention that in the opening salvo of why they did what they did it states clearly that they DILIGENTLY COMPARED IT TO THE FIRST ENGLISH translation. The bible was given in Hebrew, some Chaldean and Koine Greek and if you don't know the languages I just mentioned then get a Greek/Hebrew concordance and start looking the words up. Start with Galatians Chapter 1:6-7 and the word "another".
 

john832

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Hello there Misty77, I understand that the Hebrew Bible uses a different order than the English Bible.


But that does not negate the truth of Bryan Denlinger's teaching in this video segment. The translators of the King James Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit. God preserved His word.


And there is a reason why He changed the order of the books of the Canon of Scripture as His pure word was being translated into the English language.
All 47 translators were from the Church of England. Do you suppose some of their thoughts crept into the translation?

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 

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You know what would be nice? A short verse that says something like this:

"Then immediately before the Tribulation of those days the Lord will return to gather all His believers in the clouds and return to heaven with them."

Wouldn't a clear and concise teaching like this be helpful? But obviously such a verse cannot be found. Instead we have the Lord teaching that He returns AFTER the Tribulation. To prove a Rapture, we have to discard what Jesus taught and listen to the likes of Brother Chosen and his side kick Bryan Denlinger. We have to rely on Youtube videos that massage the Word, twisting and turning it into something more palatable than the teaching that does exists.

We also have to cherry pick verses such as 1 Thes 4:13-17 stopping short of gaining the context which is found 3 verses later in 1 Thes 5:2 which clearly identifies this passage as the Day of the Lord which we all recognize as the Second Coming of Christ. It really is a pity some will do and say anything in an attempt to alter God's Word into something they like better rather than to just standing on the truth.
 

PlainWord

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1 Cor 4:

9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

Where's the Rapture?
 

zone

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Pre Trib Rapture Moment 18: The Order Of 7 Books In The Old Testament PROVE A Pre Trib. Rapture!

Published on Dec 21, 2013
Read the books of Ezra through Ecclesiastes, and you will see that the order of these books lays out the future of the nation of Israel. The book of Esther tells how the Gentile queen Vashti was taken away and a Jewish queen Esther was given to the king. Vashti pictures the disobedient body of Christ which exists on the earth today!
and you claim a literal interpretation:confused: lol.

 
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I think Vashti was earthly Jerusalem and Esther was heavenly Jerusalem. Earthly Jerusalems estate was taken away and given to heavenly Jerusalem.
 

ChosenbyHim

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You know what would be nice? A short verse that says something like this:

"Then immediately before the Tribulation of those days the Lord will return to gather all His believers in the clouds and return to heaven with them."

Wouldn't a clear and concise teaching like this be helpful? But obviously such a verse cannot be found. Instead we have the Lord teaching that He returns AFTER the Tribulation. To prove a Rapture, we have to discard what Jesus taught and listen to the likes of Brother Chosen and his side kick Bryan Denlinger. We have to rely on Youtube videos that massage the Word, twisting and turning it into something more palatable than the teaching that does exists.

We also have to cherry pick verses such as 1 Thes 4:13-17 stopping short of gaining the context which is found 3 verses later in 1 Thes 5:2 which clearly identifies this passage as the Day of the Lord which we all recognize as the Second Coming of Christ. It really is a pity some will do and say anything in an attempt to alter God's Word into something they like better rather than to just standing on the truth.

Plain, you still do not understand that there is a Dispensational distinction between the Church Age and the Time of Jacob's trouble??

In the Church Age every born again believer has Eternal Security.

But in the time of Jacob's trouble, no one has eternal security except the 144,000.

Therefore to force the Body of Christ into the time of Jacob's trouble is to cause the Bible to contradict.

You need to be dispensational Plain. You need to start rightly dividing the word of truth.

The time of Jacob's trouble is for unbelieving Israel. It is not for the Body of Christ.
 
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