The prodigal son came back. Is coming 'back' a condition for OSAS faith ?

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally greatfull, I urge to humble yourself, for the very things that you have quoted that I have said and you have refuted are scripture!

katie, I urge you to humble yourself, for the very things I refuted are your misinterpretations of scripture. Your still depending on yourself to save you when only Christ can save you. You want to go back to Mount Sinai and the feerfull God when the author of Hebrews said we have come to mount Zion and Christ.

The word of God says we must continue in his kindness and it says his kindness leads us to repentance. The word of God says this! I gave you the verses so that you could see for yourself that this is Truth and not my own words.

It is your words, Your interpreting them out of context. And I must ask, why are you ignoring all the scripture I gave you which refutes those passages. Does the bible contradict? It can not say one thing in one area, and something apposed to that in another area, it would contradict itself and thus be obsolete and false.

It is you who is not listening to the word of God. I have come to you lovingly and every time showing you the scripture, but God's own words have not convicted you. Humble yourself, let Him show you. We have not attained to anything as we ought and if we will not allow Him to show us these things then we will not continue to grow up into the fullness of Christ. You are no longer disagreeing with me, but your argument is with God as it is His words that you are refuting, not mine. I have said nothing outside of the verses that I quoted to you and if you had read them you would have seen that. God's word does not contradict itself, it is all Truth I have said this many times and have shown scripture. I want you to see that this is a very serious warning, for if you do not allow the word of God to be right and stop holding to what you think and trying to make sense of things by your own effort then I fear that you will believe that you have already attained to something that you have not. As the scripture says, I urge you to watch your life and doctrine closely, test to see whether you are in the Faith. It is not fleshly works in anyway to say that we must do the very things that scripture warns and urges us to do. I have shown many scriptures that say what we should do and how we should be and act, none of which were of the law, but rather a life by the Spirit. Once again, that is the word of God and it seems that your fault finding is not in my words, but His. I pray that we may reason the word together as scripture says. Not claiming to know anything but His words and letting God speak through His word rather then thinking that our explanations are needed.
Sincerely,
with the Love of Christ,
Kate

You did not answer any of my questions. You demand I be humble. when you are not being very humble yourself.

so I ask again!

So eternal life (meaning Life forever) speaks only of past sin? And is not eternal at all?? WHy did even Christ call this new life we have in him eternal if it is not so?

So when jesus said that whoever believes in him will NEVER DIE, NEVER HUNGER OR THIRST. He meant just in the past. not in the future?

So when Paul says we are sealed with the HS of promise, who guarantees our inheritiance (salvation) until the day of redemption. he meant only some past day? and not the future day of redemption we place our hope in, whihc is why we place our faith in Christ in the first place?

 

[Katy-follower]

Galatians 1:8-9: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed"

Paul was warning them about false teachers that teach another gospel. Paul confirms that it's not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error.

This is not a scripture supporting conditional salvation at all.

This is showing that Paul, a man who had the Spirit, admits that he could come preaching another gospel and warns the Galatians to make sure that he is not. The Spirit of Christ does not preach a false gospel, which means in order for Paul to, he would have to choose to deny the Spirit.

A person who has the spirit of truth will be sharing the true gospel.

Paul was warning of false teachers that will show up, that we are not to accept what they say just because of who they appear to be. Appearances. Even if an angel comes preaching a different gospel, ignore them. Many believe in the apparition of Mary, where she supposedly appeared in the sky. This was a lying sign and wonder... the "news" 'she' brought was not in line with scripture. People were so enamored by this appearance that they were seduced by the message given without ever checking with scripture.

Paul was encouraging them to check everything. He is saying that it's not about WHO teaches, but WHAT they are teaching that is to be used to determine truth from error. There are many false teachers out there. They may have the appearance of a sound teacher, but what are they teaching? We have to check to see if what they teach lines up with God's word. If I go to a church where a pastor denies that Jesus is the only way, then I know that he is not saved. The truth is not in him.

A person who is truly saved will not be teaching a different gospel. Paul was not warning of losing salvation, he was warning about false teachers that come preaching a different gospel. These people might have the appearance of men that are saved but you will know them by their fruits.

In using himself as an example, he was proving a point to them, that these false teachers may have the appearance of Paul even, but to ignore who they are and focus more on what they teach.

That scripture does not say that a born again Christian, who has the spirit of truth, will abandon the truth for a lie and then lose their salvation. It was a warning to look out for false teachers creeping into the churches. There are many apostates out there.

Many are doing what Paul warned us to watch out for. You're preaching a different gospel. We are discussing the eternal state of a christian, which is important because it has to do with the gospel. Conditional salvation is a different gospel. It goes against the truth, that it is Christ's blood that cleanses us from sin and that we are made righteous by His blood, not anything we do ourselves. CS denies that His sacrifice is enough, because it's believing that a person has the power to lose that free gift given, by something they do themselves.

Conditional salvation is a heretical teaching. It's a doctrine of the devil. Scripture says in the last days that many will be seduced by evil spirits that whisper in their ear, preaching doctrines of devils, another gospel.

 

[Kate913]

katie, I urge you to humble yourself, for the very things I refuted are your misinterpretations of scripture. Your still depending on yourself to save you when only Christ can save you. You want to go back to Mount Sinai and the feerfull God when the author of Hebrews said we have come to mount Zion and Christ.

The word of God says we must continue in his kindness and it says his kindness leads us to repentance. The word of God says this! I gave you the verses so that you could see for yourself that this is Truth and not my own words.

It is your words, Your interpreting them out of context. And I must ask, why are you ignoring all the scripture I gave you which refutes those passages. Does the bible contradict? It can not say one thing in one area, and something apposed to that in another area, it would contradict itself and thus be obsolete and false.



You did not answer any of my questions. You demand I be humble. when you are not being very humble yourself.

so I ask again!

So eternal life (meaning Life forever) speaks only of past sin? And is not eternal at all?? WHy did even Christ call this new life we have in him eternal if it is not so?

So when jesus said that whoever believes in him will NEVER DIE, NEVER HUNGER OR THIRST. He meant just in the past. not in the future?

So when Paul says we are sealed with the HS of promise, who guarantees our inheritiance (salvation) until the day of redemption. he meant only some past day? and not the future day of redemption we place our hope in, whihc is why we place our faith in Christ in the first place?

Romans 11:22
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

No interpretation. It says that very thing.
I've looked at the scriptures you posted and they do not contradict what I am saying to you. Yes, I would say that without the Spirit the word of God does seem to contradict itself, but the Spirit gives us wisdom to see that it does not.
I gave you the scripture that says we have been cleansed of our past sins, it does not say future anywhere. If so, please show me this scripture. We only have eternal life if we are keeping in step with the Spirit. It is eternal, if we finish the race. Once we have finished it we will have been perfected in our Faith, finished the race and received the crown of life. No one is saying that eternal life doesn't mean that very thing. We must continue to believe in Him. What Christ said is true, whoever believes in Him will receive those things, but what if I allow another Spirit to creep in? To accept and tolerate another gospel? Would that be believing in Him? It would not, because those who love him obey him and to no longer obey him would mean that I hated God. If we continue to believe in Him then we will receive these things. Can you not see the difference? For scripture says that even the demons believe and tremble at his name, but truly believing is walking daily in Love and obedience to God. Please read these verses...

1 Corinthians 9:25-27
25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Galatians 5:7
7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth?

2 Corinthians 7:1
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

James 2:19-22
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

2 Peter 3:17
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.

2 Peter 2:20-21
20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 6:12
12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

 

[Kate913]

idk why it put those verse in a double quote box like that...kinda weird. lol sorry about that.

 

[Kate913]

A person who has the spirit of truth will be sharing the true gospel.

Paul was warning of false teachers that will show up, that we are not to accept what they say just because of who they appear to be. Appearances. Even if an angel comes preaching a different gospel, ignore them. Many believe in the apparition of Mary, where she supposedly appeared in the sky. This was a lying sign and wonder... the "news" 'she' brought was not in line with scripture. People were so enamored by this appearance that they were seduced by the message given without ever checking with scripture.

Paul was encouraging them to check everything. He is saying that it's not about WHO teaches, but WHAT they are teaching that is to be used to determine truth from error. There are many false teachers out there. They may have the appearance of a sound teacher, but what are they teaching? We have to check to see if what they teach lines up with God's word. If I go to a church where a pastor denies that Jesus is the only way, then I know that he is not saved. The truth is not in him.

A person who is truly saved will not be teaching a different gospel. Paul was not warning of losing salvation, he was warning about false teachers that come preaching a different gospel. These people might have the appearance of men that are saved but you will know them by their fruits.

In using himself as an example, he was proving a point to them, that these false teachers may have the appearance of Paul even, but to ignore who they are and focus more on what they teach.

That scripture does not say that a born again Christian, who has the spirit of truth, will abandon the truth for a lie and then lose their salvation. It was a warning to look out for false teachers creeping into the churches. There are many apostates out there.

Many are doing what Paul warned us to watch out for. You're preaching a different gospel. We are discussing the eternal state of a christian, which is important because it has to do with the gospel. Conditional salvation is a different gospel. It goes against the truth, that it is Christ's blood that cleanses us from sin and that we are made righteous by His blood, not anything we do ourselves. CS denies that His sacrifice is enough, because it's believing that a person has the power to lose that free gift given, by something they do themselves.

Conditional salvation is a heretical teaching. It's a doctrine of the devil. Scripture says in the last days that many will be seduced by evil spirits that whisper in their ear, preaching doctrines of devils, another gospel.

The word says that we must continue in order to receive the prize. Are you calling Gods word the devils work? You said there were not if's in scripture referring to salvation, but I showed you scriptures that said that very thing. Are you now arguing with the word of God?

CS denies that His sacrifice is enough, because it's believing that a person has the power to lose that free gift given, by something they do themselves.

The word actually talks about those who have acted as though Christ is not enough.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

If what you are saying is true, that Paul was only talking about apparitions, then why does the word of God warn us to watch our life and doctrine closely? What would be the point in that warning if we can't begin to hold to a doctrine contrary to what is Truth?

1 Timothy 4:16
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

katie, I urge you to humble yourself, for the very things I refuted are your misinterpretations of scripture. Your still depending on yourself to save you when only Christ can save you. You want to go back to Mount Sinai and the feerfull God when the author of Hebrews said we have come to mount Zion and Christ.

The word of God says we must continue in his kindness and it says his kindness leads us to repentance. The word of God says this! I gave you the verses so that you could see for yourself that this is Truth and not my own words.

No interpretation. It says that very thing.
I've looked at the scriptures you posted and they do not contradict what I am saying to you. Yes, I would say that without the Spirit the word of God does seem to contradict itself, but the Spirit gives us wisdom to see that it does not.
I gave you the scripture that says we have been cleansed of our past sins, it does not say future anywhere. If so, please show me this scripture. We only have eternal life if we are keeping in step with the Spirit. It is eternal, if we finish the race. Once we have finished it we will have been perfected in our Faith, finished the race and received the crown of life. No one is saying that eternal life doesn't mean that very thing. We must continue to believe in Him. What Christ said is true, whoever believes in Him will receive those things, but what if I allow another Spirit to creep in? To accept and tolerate another gospel? Would that be believing in Him? It would not, because those who love him obey him and to no longer obey him would mean that I hated God. If we continue to believe in Him then we will receive these things. Can you not see the difference? For scripture says that even the demons believe and tremble at his name, but truly believing is walking daily in Love and obedience to God. Please read these verses...

lol. So you do not wish to discuss it. Just say you think God gives you a spirit and I am wrong.

News flash, This is a bible discussion forum. We do not jkust tell people they are wrong, we tell them why we disagree,

Let me help.

Your answers should be God only promised eternal life to those who believe for past sin not future, and this is why

Jesus did not mean we will never die, live forever, have eternal life. he meant (fill in the blank)

But since you do not want to discuss scripture. We can move on..

Eternal life is not eternal according to you. Thats all I needed to know. God is a liar. lets just burn the bible because it is useless.

Past from condemnation to life. HAS eternal life. Never die. Not suffer Gods wrath, etc etc.

I will believe God not someone who wants to try to earn her salvation by being a modern day pharisee.

 

[GreenNnice]

K8ee, YOU follow Him ! John 21:22


Here's what Paul said to the Corinth church, a third time telling them to WAKE UP to their UNREPENTANT WAYS, their debauChery and filth living RIGHT in the church, having received Christ but still NOT LIVING that life that He showed them in accepting Him in the first place. And here we go examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith test yourself do you need not know you yourself are having Jesus Christ in you unless indeed you are disqualified that's the holy spir.it . you speak from God loose lips sink ships you make certain that he is leading what utterance from you you remember this to Paul was asking them of the Corinthian church to repent of what they have done this is not something you do once it's all the time , as the Lord leads.


Those who do not get this 'leading' understanding need to be prayed for, but REBUKED IF they begin to attack your race of how God's righteously led you, through His Spirit, to follow Him.

K8ee, do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption let all bitterness wrath anger clamor an built evil speaking be put away from you with all malice and be kind to one another tender hearted forgiving one another even as God in Christ forgave you .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

K8ee, YOU follow Him ! John 21:22


Here's what Paul said to the Corinth church, a third time telling them to WAKE UP to their UNREPENTANT WAYS, their debauChery and filth living RIGHT in the church, having received Christ but still NOT LIVING that life that He showed them in accepting Him in the first place. And here we go examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith test yourself do you need not know you yourself are having Jesus Christ in you unless indeed you are disqualified that's the holy spir.it . you speak from God loose lips sink ships you make certain that he is leading what utterance from you you remember this to Paul was asking them of the Corinthian church to repent of what they have done this is not something you do once it's all the time , as the Lord leads.


Those who do not get this 'leading' understanding need to be prayed for, but REBUKED IF they begin to attack your race of how God's righteously led you, through His Spirit, to follow Him.

yep lets look at them awful filthy sinners.

paul called them brothers and sisters in christ. how can this be?

K8ee, do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption let all bitterness wrath anger clamor an built evil speaking be put away from you with all malice and be kind to one another tender hearted forgiving one another even as God in Christ forgave you .

yep do not make the HS sad.. for he has sealed you until the day of redemption and guaranteed your salvation. so do not make him have to chasten you. but allow him to bless you..

If we are sealed for that day, and as Paul says in eph, this seal is the guarantee of our inheritance (eternal life) then how can we ever lose salvation. I guess I am stronger than God that I can break his seal??

but the last thing we should do is fear this sealing ministry of the HS will ever fail because we did not live good enough lies..

God did not give us a spirit of fear. but a spirit of adoption.

 

[PS]

yep lets look at them awful filthy sinners.

paul called them brothers and sisters in christ. how can this be?



yep do not make the HS sad.. for he has sealed you until the day of redemption and guaranteed your salvation. so do not make him have to chasten you. but allow him to bless you..

If we are sealed for that day, and as Paul says in eph, this seal is the guarantee of our inheritance (eternal life) then how can we ever lose salvation. I guess I am stronger than God that I can break his seal??

but the last thing we should do is fear this sealing ministry of the HS will ever fail because we did not live good enough lies..

God did not give us a spirit of fear. but a spirit of adoption.

This is a serious matter and this is why we should not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when someone blasphemes. Eph 4:30 tells us we should not grieve the Holy Spirit, so obviously we can.

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (Eph 4:30)

Obviously someone who is sealed with the Holy Spirit is a true believer and not a "pretend" Christian (I hate that expression), yet they are warned against grieving the Holy Spirit so we must be able to "Grieve the Holy Spirit." We see an example of this in Isa 63:10 "But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them."

We read nearly the same thing in Psa 78:40 "How oft did they Provoke him in the wilderness, and Grieve him in the desert! Let every man, therefore, take heed that he grieve not the Spirit of God, lest God turn to be his enemy, and fight against him."

I suggest that we are sealed unto the day of redemption and are kept safe and secure in his loving arms but to say we cannot backslide, blaspheme and commit apostasy is fearful error. There are so many warnings in the Bible about backsliding and to say they never were true Christians may well be blasphemous in itself, people who teach error are most likely grieving the Holy Spirit when they say that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is a serious matter and this is why we should not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when someone blasphemes. Eph 4:30 tells us we should not grieve the Holy Spirit, so obviously we can.

Yeah we can. I grieved my earthly parents all the time. The chastened me like they should. but they did nto kick me out of their family.

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (Eph 4:30)

why do you want to focus on one word (grieve) and not on the most important words (sealed for the day of redemption)

Obviously someone who is sealed with the Holy Spirit is a true believer and not a "pretend" Christian (I hate that expression), yet they are warned against grieving the Holy Spirit so we must be able to "Grieve the Holy Spirit." We see an example of this in Isa 63:10 "But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them."

We read nearly the same thing in Psa 78:40 "How oft did they Provoke him in the wilderness, and Grieve him in the desert! Let every man, therefore, take heed that he grieve not the Spirit of God, lest God turn to be his enemy, and fight against him."

I suggest that we are sealed unto the day of redemption and are kept safe and secure in his loving arms but to say we cannot backslide, blaspheme and commit apostasy is fearful error. There are so many warnings in the Bible about backsliding and to say they never were true Christians may well be blasphemous in itself, people who teach error are most likely grieving the Holy Spirit when they say that.

Ok. lets rewrite the passage to fit your belief.

And do not grieve the HS, by whom you were sealed as long as you do not backslide, apostatize, or blaspheme.

Nope. sorry, I looked, can't find that passage anywhere.

 

[PS]

Yeah we can. I grieved my earthly parents all the time. The chastened me like they should. but they did nto kick me out of their family.




why do you want to focus on one word (grieve) and not on the most important words (sealed for the day of redemption)



Ok. lets rewrite the passage to fit your belief.

And do not grieve the HS, by whom you were sealed as long as you do not backslide, apostatize, or blaspheme.

Nope. sorry, I looked, can't find that passage anywhere.

I wouldn't joke about it. It is the Holy Spirit that keeps you secure and if you offend the Holy Spirit...well. I was going to suggest you study these things, but something tells me you are not in the right frame of mind, but you see it isn't just your salvation you need to worry about, it is those who may be led astray not only by this teaching, but all heresy and unfortunately are are many who teach this and more.

Take care.

 

[Kate913]

katie, I urge you to humble yourself, for the very things I refuted are your misinterpretations of scripture. Your still depending on yourself to save you when only Christ can save you. You want to go back to Mount Sinai and the feerfull God when the author of Hebrews said we have come to mount Zion and Christ.



lol. So you do not wish to discuss it. Just say you think God gives you a spirit and I am wrong.

News flash, This is a bible discussion forum. We do not jkust tell people they are wrong, we tell them why we disagree,

Let me help.

Your answers should be God only promised eternal life to those who believe for past sin not future, and this is why

Jesus did not mean we will never die, live forever, have eternal life. he meant (fill in the blank)

But since you do not want to discuss scripture. We can move on..

Eternal life is not eternal according to you. Thats all I needed to know. God is a liar. lets just burn the bible because it is useless.

Past from condemnation to life. HAS eternal life. Never die. Not suffer Gods wrath, etc etc.

I will believe God not someone who wants to try to earn her salvation by being a modern day pharisee.

Eternally-grateful, I say this out of Love, you are defending what you think on here rather than what the word of God says. Whether you do it unknowingly or not I do not know, but I pray that rather than replying so quickly and angrily to things, you would first go to Lord with it. You have called the very word of God a lie and a works based gospel and continue to hold certain phrases and scriptures up higher then others when God says it is all Truth. You have formed a gospel that is pleasing to yourself, one that tells you have already been made perfect rather than you must continue to be made perfect. This is a lie, one that I will not tolerate because the word of God says that we do not tolerate another Gospel. I will not listen to the forum rules when the word of God says otherwise. You say that we aren't supposed to tell people when they are wrong but rather discuss why we believe differently....the word of God does not say that! It says that if you see a brother in error, go to them out of love. We are supposed to rebuke one another out of Love so that they do not let another gospel creep in and begin to believe a lie! The gospel is offensive to our flesh, it does not feel good, it hurts to die to ourselves, but God says that is the only thing that will give us LIFE. Wake up! This is not about "im right your wrong" its about true life that lasts and letting God be right and every man a liar. This should be our aim and fight, to not want anyone to see us, but to see Him more and more. I know that God wants us to see these things, and I will not smile and pat you on the back while you lead yourself and others astray. This is what the word of God says, are we willing to truly believe it?
In Christ's Love,
Kate

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wouldn't joke about it.

Who is joking about it? your the one making a mockery of it. The day of redemption is the day of redemption. not anything else. Your the one sayng his seal is a lie. Not me.

It is the Holy Spirit that keeps you secure and if you offend the Holy Spirit...

If I offend the HS. well, It will be like I sinned against my faither. I will be chastened for my sins against him. But again i ask you. did my father kick me out of his family? did my sonship based on blood cease to exist?

Remember, Scripture states if we are not chastened we are illegitimate and not sons. why are we chastened? because we have grieved the spirit.

well. I was going to suggest you study these things, but something tells me you are not in the right frame of mind, but you see it isn't just your salvation you need to worry about, it is those who may be led astray not only by this teaching, but all heresy and unfortunately are are many who teach this and more.

Take care.

If I have to worry about my salvation. I have been given a spirit of fear. not adoption. And thus God lied.

if you worry about salvation, it is because your trusting self and your ability, and not God and his promises.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally-grateful, I say this out of Love, you are defending what you think on here rather than what the word of God says.

No. I am defending what the word of God says. were you given the spirit of fear? or of adoption? were you given eternal life or conditional life? Did God say you have passed from judgment or did he not?

Your the one defending your interpretation. and I say that in love also.

Whether you do it unknowingly or not I do not know, but I pray that rather than replying so quickly and angrily to things, you would first go to Lord with it. You have called the very word of God a lie and a works based gospel and continue to hold certain phrases and scriptures up higher then others when God says it is all Truth. You have formed a gospel that is pleasing to yourself, one that tells you have already been made perfect rather than you must continue to be made perfect. This is a lie, one that I will not tolerate because the word of God says that we do not tolerate another Gospel. I will not listen to the forum rules when the word of God says otherwise. You say that we aren't supposed to tell people when they are wrong but rather discuss why we believe differently....the word of God does not say that! It says that if you see a brother in error, go to them out of love. We are supposed to rebuke one another out of Love so that they do not let another gospel creep in and begin to believe a lie! The gospel is offensive to our flesh, it does not feel good, it hurts to die to ourselves, but God says that is the only thing that will give us LIFE. Wake up! This is not about "im right your wrong" its about true life that lasts and letting God be right and every man a liar. This should be our aim and fight, to not want anyone to see us, but to see Him more and more. I know that God wants us to see these things, and I will not smile and pat you on the back while you lead yourself and others astray. This is what the word of God says, are we willing to truly believe it?
In Christ's Love,
Kate

Pleasing to myself? wow! You do not know me very well. Every day I wake up I realise more and more how much a sinner I am and how undeserving of eternal life I am. And you call this boasting? In who? me???.. No, In Christ!

Show me where I boast in self in my faith? I am not the one trying to earn a gift. I have recieved the gift. based on Christ alone. Your the one trying to earn a gift. thus your the one who in reality is boasting in self.

Not of works lest any man should boast. No works in my gospel. My work is because i am saved. Just like abrahams works were because he was saved. He was not saved as a result of his work.

 

[GreenNnice]

Eternally-grateful, I say this out of Love, you are defending what you think on here rather than what the word of God says. Whether you do it unknowingly or not I do not know, but I pray that rather than replying so quickly and angrily to things, you would first go to Lord with it. You have called the very word of God a lie and a works based gospel and continue to hold certain phrases and scriptures up higher then others when God says it is all Truth. You have formed a gospel that is pleasing to yourself, one that tells you have already been made perfect rather than you must continue to be made perfect. This is a lie, one that I will not tolerate because the word of God says that we do not tolerate another Gospel. I will not listen to the forum rules when the word of God says otherwise. You say that we aren't supposed to tell people when they are wrong but rather discuss why we believe differently....the word of God does not say that! It says that if you see a brother in error, go to them out of love. We are supposed to rebuke one another out of Love so that they do not let another gospel creep in and begin to believe a lie! The gospel is offensive to our flesh, it does not feel good, it hurts to die to ourselves, but God says that is the only thing that will give us LIFE. Wake up! This is not about "im right your wrong" its about true life that lasts and letting God be right and every man a liar. This should be our aim and fight, to not want anyone to see us, but to see Him more and more. I know that God wants us to see these things, and I will not smile and pat you on the back while you lead yourself and others astray. This is what the word of God says, are we willing to truly believe it?
In Christ's Love,
Kate

You're strong, K8, against a great OSAS debater, you've preached Christ alone through the Spirit in you leading, the Lord, your strength and your strong, for all those who believe, like the prodigal son, whom i asked others if he beared signs showing he was a acknowledging follower and, based on their comments, first 3 votes may have all been from OSAS believers.

I didn't vote but I'm not OSAS, so, my vote i s known, yes

But, and who did vote 'no,' you are welcome to PM me, or, say here, makes no difference to me. The Lord leads.

But, the son acknowledges that he 'sinned against God and heaven.'

This explains that the prodigal son BELIEVED, as the prodigal son 'came to his senses.'

He was a Christian but became wayward, like eg said, like, I think, crossnotes, and, books said, they strayed. I've strayed, too. Haven't we all?

But, yes, this son who was spiritually alive forsook the good life he had, in a very selfish fashion o taking his part of inhritance and living life large. And, in a span of time , squandered all that wealth.
People like to think the son, who knew he sinned against God, was for CERTAIN going to come back....

But, we, truthfully, do not know that true, do we, Christ peeps.

Actually, Scripture says a freewill doctrine saying, active tense: HE came to his senses.

God, therefore, like he does for all of us, was undoubtably trying to get the APOSTATE SON to return to Him whom dear ole dad raised the apostate son to have faith, in Him. (Philipians 3:8,9)

The son's CHOICE caused his alive faith to become DEAD, with NO 'always going to come back' words in Scripture, or, any words even remotely close.

Do not become lost in your worldly sating pleasures when He is leading you to Him, othrwise you may become wrapped in a 'way' that you will never be found

The Lord leads, by His given grace, but never forget, we are saved, too, in His measure of faith given us.

 

[mailmandan]

In this parable, being made "alive again" foreshadows the "born again" experience that Jesus spoke of in John 3:3. Of course Jesus wasn't talking about being born again spiritually again and again. We are born once physically and born "again" once spiritually. People in the NOSAS camp interpret this parable as the prodigal son was spiritually alive, then spiritually died (lost his salvation) and was spiritually alive again (regained his salvation). I find it interesting that certain translations of Luke 15:32 simply say your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found (ESV); your brother was dead, but now he is alive. He was lost, but now he is found (NCV); this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and has been found (NRS); this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found (NAS).