The Real Biblical Replacement Theology

[Nehemiah6]

My comments in green.

1. I already confirmed that the OT prophets spoke about the salvation of the Gentiles. But they did NOT speak about redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body -- the Church -- with Christ as its Head. Paul makes it perfectly clear that this was a mystery hidden in times past ans revealed to him by Christ.

2. The Septuagint is the corrupted Hebrew Bible in Greek. Let's stick with the actual Hebrew Bible and show us where the Church is mentioned in the Old Testament.

3. So you are flatly denying what Paul affirms, and then adding error by talking about the Northern Kingdom, which has absolutely no bearing on this subject.

4. "Making the whole world Israel" is your own fantasy, so please go and study the matter before hurling insults and calling people heretics. You are extremely confused.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There was only one program for Israel and that was and is the church.

So now you are the one who promotes Replacement Theology. Good for you.

 

[J7]

Please Nehemiah, you are being stubborn. How dare you speak of scripture as fantasy. You need to listen and learn old boy.

Acts 10 34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

1. I already confirmed that the OT prophets spoke about the salvation of the Gentiles. But they did NOT speak about redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body -- the Church -- with Christ as its Head. Paul makes it perfectly clear that this was a mystery hidden in times past ans revealed to him by Christ.

2. The Septuagint is the corrupted Hebrew Bible in Greek. Let's stick with the actual Hebrew Bible and show us where the Church is mentioned in the Old Testament.

3. So you are flatly denying what Paul affirms, and then adding error by talking about the Northern Kingdom, which has absolutely no bearing on this subject.

4. "Making the whole world Israel" is your own fantasy, so please go and study the matter before hurling insults and calling people heretics. You are extremely confused.

 

[Locutus]

So now you are the one who promotes Replacement Theology. Good for you.

Of course, I'm stating that God's plan was to replace the old covenant physical form of Israel with the New Covenant form of Israel the church.

Eph 2:20-22

built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

[Snoozy]

Of course, I'm stating that God's plan was to replace the old covenant physical form of Israel with the New Covenant form of Israel the church.

Eph 2:20-22

built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

let me disprove replacement theology again:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[Locutus]

Let me re-disprove your attempt at disprovement...

The seed of Israel was transformed into the Israel of the church, the apostles were all of Israel and were transformed in the new creation.

Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

You snooze you lose....

 

[J7]

Correct. The Church never replaced Israel because it is Israel

let me disprove replacement theology again:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[valiant]

let me disprove replacement theology again:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

but the church is not replacement Israel, it is built upon the TRUE Israel, the follower of Messiah.

they were the election and beloved for their fathers; sakes.

 

[garee]

If what you say is true, we would not have this verse in Scripture, so after reading it you should think about this matter a little more carefully.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30 KJV).

Just so there is no misunderstanding, here is the verse from the KJV 2000

King James 2000 Bible
And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now commands all men everywhere to repent:

So it should be clear that there was a time when God did not command the Gentiles to repent but left them to their own devices, but now He commands ALL MEN everywhere to repent. Why? Because that is what the Gospel teaches, and the Gospel must be preached to every creature.

Dispensationalism is an oral tradition of men not a tradition of God.

There was never a time,, not even the twinkling of the eye that he did not call all men to repent by purifying their hearts by and through a work of His faith ….. (Abel… repent believe the voice of God.)

He lovingly commanded Abel to repent long before he started using the Jews as shadow in parables through ceremonial laws . Purifying their hearts also by a work of His faith

Again he works in the same way in any dispensation. Why would a person make the faith of God without effect by not taking Him at His word?

Again he works in the same way in any and every dispensation.And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:8

Ask yourself…How much of a difference ?


The commandment is in respect to the outward Jew as it is written. Not all Israel are born again Jews..

It is God who has no form who calls men… turning them by a work of His faith so then after they are turned they them can to comfort themselves .Repentance is a work of God who is not a respecter of persons..

 

[garee]

Scripture please showing that one OT saint was looking forward and put his faith and hope in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sin.

The Lord's disciples didn't even know about the cross. It was hid from man from the beginning of the world.

Luke 18:31-34
Romans 16:25-26

They knew a tree like the parable using a bronze serpent on a pole would represent the suffering the Father would afflict on the Son of man symbolized by the cross or the Garden demonstration.

There graves were opened as to the glory that followed Christ’s labor of Love and they entered the first resurrection witnessed by the angels of God in heaven .

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

It would seem you are under the teaching that Holy Spirit as Emanuel was not available until after the time of reformation at Pentecost when it had already began doing its work of faith in the hearts of men

Why they would leave the Old testament saints without a warning from the Spirit that lived in them remains a mystery?

 

[Snoozy]

Let me re-disprove your attempt at disprovement...

The seed of Israel was transformed into the Israel of the church, the apostles were all of Israel and were transformed in the new creation.

Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

You snooze you lose....

this doesnt disprove anything. i know ephesians 2. we are grafted into the tree which is Messiah Jesus. doesnt make u an israelite. if it does move to israel. the bible doesnt say da word spiritual israel even once.

u will probably quote this too

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Please Nehemiah, you are being stubborn. How dare you speak of scripture as fantasy. You need to listen and learn old boy.

Since I did not speak of Scripture as fantasy, but your interpretation as fantasy, stop your personal attacks and get down to actual Bible interpretation. So you posted a passage but failed to explain what it means in the context of the Church and Israel as two distinct entities. I will not respond again if you continue with your foolish talking.

 

[John146]

So were the OT saints Romans 3.25



So do the OT saints eccles 12.7



More fool you!

According to Galatians 3, the faith of Christ was not available unto after the resurrection.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The OT saints had faith, but not the faith of Jesus Christ. They lived by their own individual faith. We live by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[Locutus]

In Isaiah we have the new creation, part of the new creation according to Paul is Gentile and Jew/Israelite equality - one nation

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

 

[Nehemiah6]

In Isaiah we have the new creation, part of the new creation according to Paul is Gentile and Jew/Israelite equality - one nation

If you are referring to the New Heavens and the New Earth, yes. But the equality of Jew and Gentiles is within the Body of Christ -- the Church -- which Paul said was a mystery hidden even from Isaiah.

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Yes, all of this is applicable to the regenerated saints within the Church. So what you are saying is that the Church is an entity consisting of regenerated sinners.

That does not mean that the Church has replaced the nation and kingdom of Israel, as that is yet future. The Church will be in the New Jerusalem eternally whereas redeemed and restored Israel will be on earth eternally. There will also be saved nations on earth at that time. But th Church will remain the Wife of the Lamb (and presently she is the Bride of Christ).

 

[Locutus]

Judah and Israel's time in the sun as the chosen nation has long since gone, any living descendants need to seek the Son.

Darby's error is trying to promote a separation between them of the 1st century and the rest of the nations.

Acts 15:9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

 

[Bladerunner]

Another blow to dis-spentsationalists, is that they claim the "church" was born on Pentecost yet was unknown in the old testament.

But Peter said that all the prophets from Samuel on spoke of the days Peter was living in:

Acts 3:24 And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days.

So Peter says the prophets did prophesy the "church" while the dispensational "theologians" from Darby and his successors onward claim they didn't.

Do you care to tell us the verses and Prophets who are saying this? All of them.........

It is true the 'Church' was hidden in the OT. What is hidden in the OT is revealed in the NT...... Like a glove fits a hand, the OT and NT go together divinely.

 

[Locutus]

Do you care to tell us the verses and Prophets who are saying this? All of them........

I quoted Peter not myself...take it up with him..

 

[J7]

Since I did not speak of Scripture as fantasy, but your interpretation as fantasy, stop your personal attacks and get down to actual Bible interpretation. So you posted a passage but failed to explain what it means in the context of the Church and Israel as two distinct entities. I will not respond again if you continue with your foolish talking.

Well read it and think Nehemiah.

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)

Peter has made all people in every nation equivalent to Israel. Israel is then now the whole world, and this is the mystery Paul explains.

 

[Snoozy]

The Church will be in the New Jerusalem eternally whereas redeemed and restored Israel will be on earth eternally.

Nehemiah i cant send u a private message uce so let me ask u here. can u say more about ur belief that christians go to new jerusalem and israel doesnt? that i quoted above? scripture? not arguing asking with good spirit and intentions i consider u my uce in Christ