The Role of the Woman

[AgeofKnowledge]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults.

See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News National

See: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

I wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism.

Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse.

You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.

You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period.

The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

the OP is mainly (if not, all) about the wife/mother.

what about the single woman who has no children? or... am i just in the wrong thread? lol

 

[Misty77]

Time permits me from dismantling the erroneous thoughts in the OP. Suffice to say that I am created in God's image. I am commanded to subdue and have dominion over creation. I am called to bring glory to God, and that calling is independent of my relationship with any man.

Responses within marriage are a different subject.

 

[JFSurvivor]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults.

See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News National

See: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

I wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism.

Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse.

You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.

You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period.

The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

If you think that's what feminism is then that's sad. Feminism is all about equality.

 

[melita916]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults.

See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News National

See: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

I wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism.

Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse.

You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.

You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period.

The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

well, that escalated quickly. i didn't say i didn't like the OP. the title of the thread led me in here, and as i read the OP, i saw how it was mostly geared towards women who are wives/mothers. i am not a wife/mother, but i am a woman, so i asked my question because of the title of the thread. i understand tone can be misinterpreted, but my intention was never to lead the thread to feminism.

 

[Nautilus]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults. See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News NationalSee: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdfI wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism. Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse. You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period. The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

I've just come to the conclusion that one of two things have happened. Either you were married and she left and thus you blame feminism and everything else under the sun to resolve yourself of not making said marriage work or thta you are just impossible for women to stay with in the first place.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ya I never understood the whole man vs women thing even in a biblical view. Perhaps it's just the world I grew up in but to say that man is any better than woman seems wrong to me. Is it really the role of a women to be second best? to take care of the husbands needs clean the house exhaust herself and become neglected by the husband? There are many religions where the women is treated like this where she literally has no choice but to do as the husband commands and she is treated as an object not a person.

Marriage is an equal partnership not one where the man is more than the women, I do not claim to understand why the bible would say things like in the op but just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong. For example
1 Timothy 2:12 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.… it is written in God's holy word and I admit I have no idea how to counter it because I lack the understanding but still I can't help but feel like something is missing here like we are not understanding what the scripture is saying.

I see this scripture but then I also see who God is, God is no respecter of person he isn't sexist he loves both man and women with all his being not one person is more important to him than the other. This is basically my issue, I see what the scripture says but still something doesn't seem quite right. Perhaps I am not looking with the right eyes idk.

1 Timothy 2:12 is a good scripture that is misused a lot so I can see the confusion for some when trying to study and understand the word.

This scripture does not take away the equality in the marriage, nor does it keep a woman from holding a leadership role.
This scripture is about a woman is not to elevate herself above a man as head of the household, as the man is to hold this position. However this does not mean the woman is to be treated less then a man or looked down upon, for the bible says that the man is to show love and respect to her. Not be dominant and controlling over her to where it becomes abusive or disrespect.

Women where allowed to work, and are even shown in the OT to be out in the field working as well.
Those who say a woman's place is only in the home, to cook, clean, and tend to the other household choirs, and saying they can't work is not going by the true teachings of the bible.

Man is to be the head of household, but the woman is allowed to help out in holding their own jobs as well to help out in taking care of the financial needs.

 

[Angela53510]

Ever since the beginning, men have excluded women from translating the scriptures from the original and doing theology. So we have a Bible that is heavily biased towards a man's understanding and that is why there is such an emphasis on sexual sin and lust, neither of which are a common fault in women. For women it is often passivity that is their besetting sin.

There is a great book that every woman should read:

God's Word to Women: Katharine C. Bushnell: 9780974303109: Amazon.com: Books

which explains what submission really means translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek by a WOMAN.

She also explains that it was Adam that was thrown out of heaven, not Eve who was deceived which is nothing like the rebellion from her husband. Eve chose to go with him and was therefore putting herself under man's rule. If she had stayed who knows maybe Adam would have repented.

I read the opening pages of the book on the free preview. Some of it, I figured out on my own, studying both the English and the Hebrew. But some is new to me. It will take some time to digest.

Thanks for posting it. I may not agree with it, as only time will tell. But I certainly enjoy reading the different exegetical studies on the various chapters.

 

[TwilightSparkle]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults.

See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News National

See: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

I wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism.

Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse.

You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.

You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period.

The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

first off feminism is about equality marriage is in decline because we are in a fallen world because if people were to adhere to the Scriptures there would be more marriage but because we are falling as is this world that is not the case furthermore feminist argue pay equal rights and equal representation of women

 

[TwilightSparkle]

So I'd suggest learning what feminists actually stand for before speaking erroneously and out of arrogance and hate and disapproval. Like JF said. Feminism is about equality. The movement came about out of the inequality that exists between the sexes crated by man abusing the classic passage of wife sub mission

 

[CeileDe]

I'm sure most will dislike what I am about to post but oh well. This is a little write up I did about a subject very similar to this topic. Actually I'll just post the link here and give you the option to read it or not,

Women Pastors and the Feminist Movement!

 

[cmarieh]

I'm sure most will dislike what I am about to post but oh well. This is a little write up I did about a subject very similar to this topic. Actually I'll just post the link here and give you the option to read it or not,

Women Pastors and the Feminist Movement!

I agree with you. I desire to be dominated by my future spouse whoever he may be because I want him to take responsibility of the household. The only thing I desire is to be valued and to captivated him.

 

[cmarieh]

And I refuse to lead a group in a church environment because I need to be in submission to the pastor. I don't see anything wrong with being a teacher in the children's ministry, but I have to be accountable to the leader and I believe he needs to be male.

I don't have a problem having a guest speaker be a woman who gives the sermon as long as the pastor is in the congregation.

 

[JFSurvivor]

I agree with you. I desire to be dominated by my future spouse whoever he may be because I want him to take responsibility of the household. The only thing I desire is to be valued and to captivated him.

dominated...really?? is that sarcasm or are you serious?

 

[MarcR]

Mary Anne. Sister I cant support everything you said. I just don't see it as my role to be subordinate to anyone. If I marry I see it as a partnership. I'm definitely not any expert only matters of sex but I see both partners having responsibilities. I know enough about sex to know a lot of men have a lot of work to do in being good sexual partners. But my main thing about women subordination and obedience is that withdrawing love from a husband is natural and even right where the husband is abusive either physically or verbally. There can be no such thing as the dutiful wife in those circumstances and her priority is to her own safety and the safety of her children.

Zoli,

I do not see God's model of male leadership as having the intent of subordinating women; though I certainly acknowledge that many people (mis) understand it that way.

It should have NOTHING to do with value or ability.

I believe that the primary issue is accountability.

In the garden, after Adam and Eve sinned, Eve tried to blame the serpent, and Adam tried first to blame Eve and then to blame God. NOBODY wanted to take responsibility!

People make mistakes; and, when mistakes are made, God wants the man of the family to step up and take the heat.

Men who attempt to use God's desire for male leadership to dominate, abuse, or lord over their wives totally misunderstand and mis-apply theis concept.

Men should fully involve their wives in the decision making process; and put their wives' needs and feelings ahead of most other considerations. However, as the one accountable, he needs the authority to make the final decision.

If a man abuses this authority, that is evidence that the woman chose NOT TO CONSULT GOD IN CHOOSING HER SPOUSE. God will still be concerned for your welfare and will enable you to make the best of that choice, if you accept that help from Him..

 

[cmarieh]

dominated...really?? is that sarcasm or are you serious?

I am being serious because I want him to control and manage the household. However, there is a BIG difference between being dominate and domineering

 

[phil112]

To the OP, ahem, are you single and do you like older men?
To the rest, don't confuse God's design with something that makes women less of a human than a man is. If I were a woman I would love to be under subjection a man that was under subjection Christ.
Get your disagreements right.
It isn't man vs woman, it is woman and man fulfilling roles assigned by God.

 

[JFSurvivor]

I am being serious because I want him to control and manage the household. However, there is a BIG difference between being dominate and domineering

....*backs away slowly* I'm not even gonna go there.

 

[jsr1221]

I am being serious because I want him to control and manage the household. However, there is a BIG difference between being dominate and domineering

What do you mean by dominant and control? Because those words aren't very kind when a woman says she wants that in a husband. For a lot of people, dominant is domineering. Example... "Here do this for me. I am the alpha male. Go to the kitchen and make a sandwhich." Etc., Etc., Etc. What is the Christian version of domination and control? Could you clarify that?

 

[cmarieh]

....*backs away slowly* I'm not even gonna go there.

What do you mean by dominant? Because the word dominant has a bad connotation to it. For a lot of people, dominant is domineering. (I am the alpha male!) So could you clarify that?

I realize a scared you and I humbly apologize for that.

To dominate is to: control, rule, manage, govern
To be domineering is to be: assertive, overbearing, imperious, oppressive

 

[jsr1221]

I realize a scared you and I humbly apologize for that.

To dominate is to: control, rule, manage, govern
To be domineering is to be: assertive, overbearing, imperious, oppressive

I think I know what you're saying. You just might want to use a different meaning next time. Because I immediately thought 50 Shades type dominating when you said that I've seen a lot of your posts to know that's not what you meant, but that's the society we live in unfortunately. That's what "dominant" has turned into.