The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

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chubbena

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Again a very presumptuous statement.

I rest from my normal everyday work 1 day a week. Sundays are my day to work around the house as I was working the other 5 days at my job.

In reality, I "work" 7 days a week when you consider that as a pastor, I work double-duty on the Sabbath.
You have a "job" job not relating to the faith? You are on the endangered species list :)
 
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chubbena

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Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 5:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

You are confused about what being in Christ is. You are double minded, attempting to mix your works at the law with grace. Common mistake.
You are here long enough to know very well that quite a few here remembering the Sabbath do not consider it the works of the law but rather enjoying the day off. Must they give up the day off to please the crowd?
 
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chubbena

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You don't read do you? You just post out of a knee jerk reaction.
I said ''if it is FORCED'', otherwise fine rest on the Sabbath all you want. I
The force is with the OP to run those Sabbath keepers out of here isn't it?
 
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You may add them, but you need to understand who the audience WAS to whom this was addressed:

(Mat 24:34 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

"This generation" refers to to those that heard Jesus - he was warning of the upcoming destruction of the temple and the sack of Jerusalem in 70AD.

It is has nothing to do with keeping the sabbath - those fleeing the "wrath to come" in the 1st century would have difficulty getting provisions on the sabbath in Jerusalem/Judea to assist in their flight.

That´s your perception and belief (I thing I respect).
 

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The force is with the OP to run those Sabbath keepers out of here isn't it?
I won't argue that that is over the top, but for Larry everything passed away by 70 AD :)
 
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Laodicea

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The sabbath was given to nation of Israel, the sabbath cults claim this was a creation ordinance which is highly debatable.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV
(28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 9:6 KJV
(6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


What is not debatable is the position of a Christian - dead the the Law:

(Gal 2:19 KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Does dead to the law mean the law is dead?

Romans 3:31 KJV
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 7:7 KJV
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 

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You don't read do you? You just post out of a knee jerk reaction.
I said ''if it is FORCED'', otherwise fine rest on the Sabbath all you want. I
My responses are truly heart felt and I do read - who has forced you? I am a Sabbath observer, my diet could be much better than it is and I would certainly be healthier if I observed more of those diet laws and I don't have trouble dressing modestly - no one has forced me to do any of this, but God has given all the guidelines and asked us to follow them.

Even God has not forced this on me or you as He gave us all free will to choose. I admit I don't always choose the best thing for me, however God's guidelines were given with our best interest in mind. So I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone.
 

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It became bad when people like yourself began to equate an ancient ceremonial law of ancient Judaism with God's moral universal law (a logical fallacy in Christian epistemology) and tell them they need to religiously practice an ancient Judaist ceremonial law in order to please God and live a holy life which is legalism and discards a measure of what Jesus accomplished.

You're greatly misinformed and seeking to mislead others into the error you yourself were misled into.

Read: Is the Sabbath a Moral Law or a Ceremonial Law? | Grace Communion International

Now please be honest, which Sabbath cult do you belong to? Is it the Seventh Day Adventist religious cult?
Since when are the 10 commandments ceremonial law? The 10 are the full disclosure of God's requirements that show our love to God and our love to man kind. I would whole heartily agree that I don't need to kill a lamb for a sacrifice as Jesus fulfilled that at the cross and guaranteed our salvation. But the 10 are still valid laws that require being kept otherwise our world would certainly be in more trouble than it is now with crimes of all sorts.
 

Hizikyah

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Sabbath is not "only for Jewish people" it was and always has been for all followers of Yahweh:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 
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Larry_Stotle

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The purpose of this thread is not to "force" the sabbateurs to leave the site.

I just think they are totally wrong on a number of issues.
 

Hizikyah

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The sabbath was given to nation of Israel, the sabbath cults claim this was a creation ordinance which is highly debatable.
Sabbath is not "only for Jewish people" it was and always has been for all followers of Yahweh:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Satan has worked very hard to get people to reject the mark of Yahweh, and not only do most reject the mark of Yahweh but readily and happily take another mark.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."
 
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The Sabbath was given as a special day that was blessed, hallowed, a sign between us and God
It was not with our ancestors that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.



7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and saidb :


“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.


9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.


10This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.


11No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.


12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”c



13By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.


whoever wrote hebrews was telling them that covenant they were used to was soon to disappear. that meant soon. for them. and it did.
 
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Larry_Stotle

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(Exo 31:16 KJV) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual (olam) covenant.

Olam does not necessarily mean perpetual or forever - it's Greek equivalent is aion.

Olam from H5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out etc.

So when we consider that Hebrews calls a finish to the old covenant then this olam covenant terminated in 70AD and is no longer active.

(Heb 8:13 KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 

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(Exo 31:16 KJV) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual (olam) covenant.

Olam does not necessarily mean perpetual or forever - it's Greek equivalent is aion.

Olam from H5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out etc.

So when we consider that Hebrews calls a finish to the old covenant then this olam covenant terminated in 70AD and is no longer active.

(Heb 8:13 KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The all fulfilled at 70ad is a Jesuit doctrine and so very foolish. The age or aeon is not even over yet, until the Messiah returns. And even then the Sabbath will be kept by the children of Yahweh:

Isayah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh."

H#5769
olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity​
Original Word: עוֹלָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Short Definition: forever

[h=4]Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/h]
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world 1a) ancient time, long time (of past) 1b) (of future) 1b1) for ever, always 1b2) continuous existence, perpetual 1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity


[h=4]Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)[/h] From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity; frequentative adverbially (especially with prepositional prefix) always:—always (-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare H5331, H5703.
 

Hizikyah

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And concerning the covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah, priesthood has been transferred to Messiah and sacrifice has been done, how else would you being born 2,000 years later accept a cleansing Sacrifice is the Law were "off the books?"

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Isaiah 59:20, "A Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," declares the LORD. "As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the LORD: "My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring's offspring," says the LORD, "from now and forever."
Romans 11:26, "And so all Israyl will be saved, as it is written: The Deliverer will depart from Zion, and He will turn away unrighteousness from Yaaqob."

Isayah 59:20-21, "The Redeemer will idepart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares Yahweh. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Instructions which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
One that is a part of the covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah, has the Law of Yahweh or more accurately the Torah, written on their heart, how could one believe it shouldnt be followed, it shouldnt be read, or it applies no longer if they are truly a part of this covenant? I believe the only reason I love His instructions is because Yahweh has put this on my heart, years ago when I was lost I certainly did not enjoy His Instructions.
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
 

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Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
 
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These days, last month, I have seen their CULTS in Carnival feasts + their CULTS during the "Holy" Week... I´ve seen that, for 52 years and it shows me I´m wrong and in the wrong place.

Soon or later, I will procede to santify my life one way or another. I hope I could keep this tiny and virtually remote fellowship I have built (from years) with some Catholic believers and unbelievers, and with those men and women who need the same salvation I need, because that´s up to GOD´s decision and at Jesus´ will, to take me home. No matter the day!

The more I put my life in HIS more chances to be His new day.

Psa 37:4 Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
 
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The all fulfilled at 70ad is a Jesuit doctrine and so very foolish. The age or aeon is not even over yet, until the Messiah returns. And even then the Sabbath will be kept by the children of Yahweh:
The end of the age came in 70AD - Jesus and the apostles all stated that the end of the age was upon THEM:

1Co 10:11 (NASB) Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Paul is telling them that the ends of the age have come upon THEM.

Heb 9:26 (NASB) Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin fnby the sacrifice of Himself.

We are in the age of Messiah - that's why your "theology" is up the creek without a paddle.
 

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My responses are truly heart felt and I do read - who has forced you? I am a Sabbath observer, my diet could be much better than it is and I would certainly be healthier if I observed more of those diet laws and I don't have trouble dressing modestly - no one has forced me to do any of this, but God has given all the guidelines and asked us to follow them.

Even God has not forced this on me or you as He gave us all free will to choose. I admit I don't always choose the best thing for me, however God's guidelines were given with our best interest in mind. So I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone.
that was my point, it's fine if one is doing it out of a 'want to' not a 'have to'.
 

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The end of the age came in 70AD - Jesus and the apostles all stated that the end of the age was upon THEM:

1Co 10:11 (NASB) Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Paul is telling them that the ends of the age have come upon THEM.

Heb 9:26 (NASB) Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin fnby the sacrifice of Himself.

We are in the age of Messiah - that's why your "theology" is up the creek without a paddle.
Paul thought the Messiah would return in his lifetime, yet He did not. You see "the end of the age" has been going on for a while, the 1st of the 4 horseman was active in the earth shortly after Messiah left earth. Messiah has not yet returned and the kingdom of Yahweh is not yet in Yerusalem. Yahweh Shammah is not yet here... And that brings another question to mind, since Isayah 66 says the followers of Yahweh will keep the Sabbath in the new heavens and earth and you say that age is here? why no Shabbat?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-15, "For if we believe that Yahshua died and was raised again, so also those who sleep in Yahshua will Yahweh bring with Him. For we say this to you by the word of Yahweh, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Savior will by no means precede those who are asleep."