The Satanic Statue Being Made for Oklahoma's Statehouse Is Coming Along Nicely

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Having read some of the materials on the Satanic Temple website (the organization who wish to donate the statue to the Capitol Preservation Commission), their adoption of the 'Satanic' label and image seem to be controversy pulls, not actually statements of their beliefs. It seems to me that they take up the image to, somehow ironically, show up the pettiness within religion (simply because of their image, they are faced with various insults, death threats etc, all because of what they believe is illogical offense grounded in religious superstition).

Typically, LaVeyan Satanism is rather self-centered, egoistic and not particularly altruistic, but this group's statement portrays that they believe in; the removal of superstition from religion; in the underlying principle that compassionate and altruistic thoughts should ideally govern the motives of every human individual, and that reason accords to the validity and correctness of said principle; that a judicial system of understanding, compassion and fairness supersedes law and institution; that the freedoms of others should be respected and that encroachment on another's freedom is essentially encroachment on your own; that people are fallible, thus if a mistake is made it should be rectified and any harm done should be understood and helped at one's best ability; that all these tenets are to inspire consistent nobility in action and thought, and such compassionate thoughts should always be held in higher esteem than what is mere written or spoken word.

In all honesty, those beliefs really aren't far from what many Christian churches teach in many moral respects; love others, have compassion, defend justice, seek forgiveness, don't follow ritual or dogma, respect people as human beings. Obviously they differ tremendously in that this organization do not believe in God, but it seems to me that their attitude, at least where other human beings are concerned, is fairly rational and not really the evil that people seem to make it out to be. Of course, it could be argued that the mission and tenets of a religion are rarely what the adherents to that religion actually follow. I suspect many young people join up to these kind of organizations on merit of their rebellious image, failing really to understand the point behind the choosing of that image in the first place.

Still, I was suprised that this wasn't (at least from their statement) a cultish extremist group of some kind, promoting selfishness or downright animalism.
 
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Well, sir. It seems you and I agree on a great many things! *the following is sarcasm... in case you couldn't hear it in the text, everyone else*

I'm gonna tell you a super, top-secrety Christian secret... Don't tell them I told you, they'll stone me... You ready?

Christians aren't supposed to do that. In fact, when they do that, they're directly contradicting Jesus Christ himself. I don't blame you in the slightest for being fed up with it. I'm a Christian, and i even get fed up with it. The links you posted were very informative. Some of the sources the cited seem to be a bit out of date (not that that's at all your fault. Shame on them.) But, even if they were more up to date, I'm sure they'd reflect similar results. I'm about to do something that isn't going to make me very popular, but hey. Jesus wasn't very popular either. (They crucified him, you know.)
I am quite familiar with Jesus of Nazareth, and you know, even if I am not a Christian or don't follow the creed of the various sects that have sprung up since his time on the Earth, I can still believe in the merit of the man's moral teachings, because he was right.

I think we all could stand to learn a little something from Mr Human over here. He and I don't agree on whether or not there's a god. But we seem to be able to hold a civilized, rational discussion. If he had any questions about my faith, I could answer them kindly and honestly, without generalizing his beliefs. Shame on us all if we can't manage the one thing Christ told us directly to do. Truly... And even after being persecuted, by probably more "Christians" than I'd care to know about, he's having patience with me. He's being kind. Sounds a lot like coming in love, doesn't it?
If I can't be patient (and sometimes I can't) it's very difficult to expect anyone else to be. You know, I might not believe in the God of the various churches, but I do believe that patience, kindness, empathy and consideration lead to better lives than whichever characteristics are their opposites.

If we expect to be taken seriously, or even remotely begin to help people understand our faith and why we want to share it, we need to get our act together. And this atheist does a fine job articulating his points and has boundless patience, making the majority of us look like uneducated children in the process. He's not the enemy, people. He's a human being. They're all human beings. Learn to relate, learn to articulate, and for crying out loud, remember the things taught by Christ.
Everybody is a human being, and I would give anybody the benefit of the doubt and approach them without opposition in any area, that is until opposition is presented to me.

And, I stress again, atheist and satanist are NOT interchangeable terms.
Absolutely.

Human, if you want to hash any of this out in PMs before we're both attacked, feel free to PM me.
I'd love to, whenever you're ready and free. Throw me a topic, a joke, a quip, a story, whatver you like.

Everyone else (the exceptions know who they are): I love you all in Christ, but I'm embarrassed. I'll pray you find tolerance and understanding. And I'll pray the same for myself. Because hey, you can't ever have too much of it. I think I'm about through beating this dead horse. lol
You're a pearl.
 
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@Human (post #118): I've finally had a chance to look this data over. Thank you! Very informative. I appreciate the time you took to post this.

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Athiests, it seems, you've gotten all wrong.
Me, specifically? I don't think I have asserted what I've gotten. If that was directed towards 'us', though, then I can't say I disagree.
 
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This is the most recent photo, it's yet to be cast in bronze, but they're hoping to do so and put it opposite the 10 commandments. Emphasis on Hope. It hasn't even been approved yet. there's still a lawsuit against the 10 Commandments monument to be resolved first.
Hannahbeth, thanks for answering the question. I am not quite sure what to think of this, but I am leaning a bit toward light amusement.
 
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The reason behind this is likely that of protest of all the christian statues. They want Christians to feel offended at the sight of their statue, as thats how they feel when they see a big stone of the 10 commandments or a massive billboard that informs them they are going to Hell or a street preacher who shouts at them at the mall that they are breaking God's law and are headed to Hell because they are gay. This is their point.
 
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Ya not sure I believe God was punishing people with Katerina or any other disaster.We're living in the age of grace.I know a young girl told me once God sank the Titanic ! I said "did he"? She nodded.I said "did you know that there were missionaries in the bottom levels on the ship? Kind of made her think.Why does God allow these things,I cannot say but thanks to Christ we have a blood sacrifice.Death is no longer required for our sins if we trust in him.
​God rains on the just and unjust
 
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You don't really believe that do you?
 
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The reason behind this is likely that of protest of all the christian statues.
Well, I think you are right, but I'd rather see a nice statue of Charles Darwin.

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They want Christians to feel offended at the sight of their statue...
Once again I suspect you are right, though maybe they also want to initiate a discussion among Christians? Just guessing.

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They want Christians to feel offended at the sight of their statue, as thats how they feel when they see a big stone of the 10 commandments or a massive billboard that informs them they are going to Hell or a street preacher who shouts at them at the mall that they are breaking God's law and are headed to Hell because they are gay. This is their point.
I don't think so. I am an atheist and Christian statues and signs don't really phase me at all. And street preachers, I just think they are terribly ill informed. Well, I am guessing, where I live I never see street preachers. More likely most atheists just feel like laughing at them. I only know two gay atheists. The other ten or so atheists I know are heterosexuals. Do you believe most atheists are gay?
 
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Just curious, but how would I go about picking a side? Which standards should I use to determine the side that is correct? I'm not just refering to Satanism, Christianity, or no religious side, but all other religions as well. What questions do I need to ask. How do I determine which one gives the correct answers?
 
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The reason behind this is likely that of protest of all the christian statues. They want Christians to feel offended at the sight of their statue, as thats how they feel when they see a big stone of the 10 commandments or a massive billboard that informs them they are going to Hell or a street preacher who shouts at them at the mall that they are breaking God's law and are headed to Hell because they are gay. This is their point.
Well, the biggest reason has to do with our religious freedoms. The government is not supposed to recognize any religion. But since many government buildings do this, the Satanic group is trying to make the point that if you allow one religion to be recognized, all religions must be recognized.
 
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We all know that anyone that doesn't has the spirit of God in them isn't someone that a person should associate with. I wonder the person that had made this display had an unhappy childhood, and expressing it through these type of displays that showing that they are crying for help.

 
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We all know that anyone that doesn't has the spirit of God in them isn't someone that a person should associate with.
Why? Because nonbelievers might convince you God isn't real? Because you think nonbelievers have a negative impact on other people's lives?

When people talk about how Christians shouldn't associate themselves with nonbelievers, it makes me realize why Christians constantly vote for Bible thumping, statist, war-mongering, republicans. Why vote for a person who shares your political views if they aren't on T.V. talking about how important God is to them? Instead of judging a person based on their actions and views, you're assuming a person's actions and views based on their belief.

Basically, you need to grow up because this idea that we shouldn't associate with people of differing beliefs prevents us from unifying against common issues. For example, I'm a hardcore capitalist - a libertarian to be more precise. And unfortunately many free-market capitalists would rather vote for a war mongering corporatist than listen to a libertarian who doesn't flaunt Christian views.

Also, the image you posted says nothing about that person's childhood. They may have grown up a Christian and abandoned their faith or grown up secular. They may have a deep hatred for those around them or they may love kittens and share cat videos to the world so people can be more happy.
 
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Why? Because nonbelievers might convince you God isn't real? Because you think nonbelievers have a negative impact on other people's lives?

When people talk about how Christians shouldn't associate themselves with nonbelievers, it makes me realize why Christians constantly vote for Bible thumping, statist, war-mongering, republicans. Why vote for a person who shares your political views if they aren't on T.V. talking about how important God is to them? Instead of judging a person based on their actions and views, you're assuming a person's actions and views based on their belief.

Basically, you need to grow up because this idea that we shouldn't associate with people of differing beliefs prevents us from unifying against common issues. For example, I'm a hardcore capitalist - a libertarian to be more precise. And unfortunately many free-market capitalists would rather vote for a war mongering corporatist than listen to a libertarian who doesn't flaunt Christian views.

Also, the image you posted says nothing about that person's childhood. They may have grown up a Christian and abandoned their faith or grown up secular. They may have a deep hatred for those around them or they may love kittens and share cat videos to the world so people can be more happy.
All the scriptures is about how to have respect for all things, and how could someone be against that? Unless, there intention is to pervert the world. I noticed that when a child is born very corrupted, they be wanting to do filthy things to their siblings, but if their parents are Christian, and told the corrupted child that isn't right and that is sinful, that corrupted child will grow up hating God because that child couldn't do the filthy things that they couldn't do as a child and so they believed that their childhood was ruin by God. If we didn't have guidance, we will be like the animals that does things on impulses without no laws to govern them. But now, God is showing us what will happen if there's no laws and to show us why He has created them. And so if anyone that is against what is moral, you better make sure not to leave them alone with your children or pets.
 
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...I am an atheist and Christian statues and signs don't really phase me at all. And street preachers, I just think they are terribly ill informed. Well, I am guessing, where I live I never see street preachers. More likely most atheists just feel like laughing at them. I only know two gay atheists. The other ten or so atheists I know are heterosexuals. Do you believe most atheists are gay?
FYI, "gay" is a word that has been re-defined.

The earlier meaning has been preserved in the Christmas song: Deck the halls (which has British / Welsh origins).

Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
Fa la la la la la la la la.
'Tis the season to be jolly,
Fa la la la la la la la la.
Don we now our gay apparel
Troll the ancient Christmas carol
Fa la la la la la la la la.

You may notice that the older meaning is present but the newer meaning is absent in Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary:

Webster's Dictionary 1828

GAY, adjective

1. Merry; airy; jovial; sportive; frolicksome. It denotes more life and animation than cheerful.

Belinda smiled, and all the world was gay

2. Fine; showy; as a gay dress.

3. Inflamed or merry with liquor; intoxicated; a vulgar use of the word in America.
 

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We all know that anyone that doesn't has the spirit of God in them isn't someone that a person should associate with. ...
Well, we all don't know that. The Bible doesn't say that.

Matthew 28:19-20 gives a different message.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11 gives a different message.
 

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We all know that anyone that doesn't has the spirit of God in them isn't someone that a person should associate with.
Well, we all don't know that. The Bible doesn't say that.

Matthew 28:19-20 gives a different message.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11 gives a different message.
1 Corinthians 5:9-11 does talk about shunning. We should shun pretenders and hypocrites inside the church who claim to be brothers and sisters to other professing Christians and adopted sons and daughters to God but whose behavior indicates otherwise.

I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. ‎ Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. ‎11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. - 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 NKJV
 
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1 Corinthians 5:9-11 does talk about shunning. We should shun pretenders and hypocrites inside the church who claim to be brothers and sisters to other professing Christians and adopted sons and daughters to God but whose behavior indicates otherwise.

I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. ‎ Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. ‎11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. - 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 NKJV
But it does says that who reject Him to take the dust off of your feet from that person's home that had rejected God after hearing the word it is because they aren't none of His lambs, but wolves.