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Or, like just about all other members here, you could fill out your Profile Page so that folks would know just a little about you. As for me, I have reservations about you, and have had since your first post.
There is something familiar about your questions/comments/threads you are Authoring, and your style of writing. Can't quite put my finger on it.............but will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
If one is sincere, what does one have to hide?
There is something familiar about your questions/comments/threads you are Authoring, and your style of writing. Can't quite put my finger on it.............but will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
If one is sincere, what does one have to hide?
Hey guys. Chill 
On topic, the Secret Gospel of Mark (which is a COMPLETELY different thing to the Long Ending of Mark) is a gnostic text, which is based on one MS and for which we have no other attestation. The specific concerns of the text make it unlikely to be something any earlier than late second century, but many scholars believe it to be a later forgery of some sort, which has been posited by various people since the text was found in the 70s. Me personally? It's quite possible that a Secret Mark existed, but if it did, it was late, and textually it seems to rely on previous gospel traditions, a number of which it adopts and then embellishes or recontextualises within a more gnostic setting. I don't think it's a 20th century forgery, but neither do I think it contains material that predates the canonical Mark.
On topic, the Secret Gospel of Mark (which is a COMPLETELY different thing to the Long Ending of Mark) is a gnostic text, which is based on one MS and for which we have no other attestation. The specific concerns of the text make it unlikely to be something any earlier than late second century, but many scholars believe it to be a later forgery of some sort, which has been posited by various people since the text was found in the 70s. Me personally? It's quite possible that a Secret Mark existed, but if it did, it was late, and textually it seems to rely on previous gospel traditions, a number of which it adopts and then embellishes or recontextualises within a more gnostic setting. I don't think it's a 20th century forgery, but neither do I think it contains material that predates the canonical Mark.
Hey guys. Chill
On topic, the Secret Gospel of Mark (which is a COMPLETELY different thing to the Long Ending of Mark) is a gnostic text, which is based on one MS and for which we have no other attestation. The specific concerns of the text make it unlikely to be something any earlier than late second century, but many scholars believe it to be a later forgery of some sort, which has been posited by various people since the text was found in the 70s. Me personally? It's quite possible that a Secret Mark existed, but if it did, it was late, and textually it seems to rely on previous gospel traditions, a number of which it adopts and then embellishes or recontextualises within a more gnostic setting. I don't think it's a 20th century forgery, but neither do I think it contains material that predates the canonical Mark.
On topic, the Secret Gospel of Mark (which is a COMPLETELY different thing to the Long Ending of Mark) is a gnostic text, which is based on one MS and for which we have no other attestation. The specific concerns of the text make it unlikely to be something any earlier than late second century, but many scholars believe it to be a later forgery of some sort, which has been posited by various people since the text was found in the 70s. Me personally? It's quite possible that a Secret Mark existed, but if it did, it was late, and textually it seems to rely on previous gospel traditions, a number of which it adopts and then embellishes or recontextualises within a more gnostic setting. I don't think it's a 20th century forgery, but neither do I think it contains material that predates the canonical Mark.
The fragments of the gospel (it's really an 'expansion' to canonical Mark, and we have no way of knowing if we have all of it) are contained within an alleged letter by Clement of Alexandria. A page is here with Greek (needs a font) and images of the original MS, which was handwritten into the end of a 17th century printed edition of Patristic writings. There is no other textual support for Secret Mark outside of this Clementine letter, it is not referenced by any other Father, and the location of the MS now is unknown - the text now only survive in photos, although multiple people have independently said they have seen the manuscript at various times since the 70s.
Most of the debate about Secret Mark centres on whether the letter is actually from Clement (or some other ancient Clement, of which there were I think at least two from Alexandria) or whether it is a medieval or later forgery, and if the letter itself is genuine, whether secret Mark itself was a forgery or a genuine Markan product.
Most of the debate about Secret Mark centres on whether the letter is actually from Clement (or some other ancient Clement, of which there were I think at least two from Alexandria) or whether it is a medieval or later forgery, and if the letter itself is genuine, whether secret Mark itself was a forgery or a genuine Markan product.
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I absolutely agree. The Holy Sprit grants the understanding. Without it we are blinded. Just start talking to God. Ask Him questions. Ask Him anything, everything. Read the non-canon books, but don't let them guide you in your ultimate motive. Understanding God.
Here's a link explaining the canon process.
https://bible.org/seriespage/7-bible-holy-canon-scripture
(Edit: idk what I did wrong with that link!)
It may bring more questions, but ask!!! Someone here told me not to be ashamed to present myself before the Lord. Always ask what you want to know. There are some Spirit led Christians here. They will find you. Be patient. Not all replies need even be entertained
Open your heart Not just your mind. God Bless You!!
Here's a link explaining the canon process.
https://bible.org/seriespage/7-bible-holy-canon-scripture
(Edit: idk what I did wrong with that link!)
It may bring more questions, but ask!!! Someone here told me not to be ashamed to present myself before the Lord. Always ask what you want to know. There are some Spirit led Christians here. They will find you. Be patient. Not all replies need even be entertained
Open your heart
Not just your mind. God Bless You!!
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You and I are about the same age. Didn't we age at an extremely rapid rate? I was just 24 about a decade ago. I had to laugh at someone on here last week because she was worried she was showing her age by mentioning she was a teen in the 90's. I keep thinking 1990 was just a few years ago. I'm aging too rapidly, I'm telling ya! lol
(Just kidding I already know how this conversation worked out, but I thought I wasn't the only one thinking all aging is too quick. lol)
(Just kidding I already know how this conversation worked out, but I thought I wasn't the only one thinking all aging is too quick. lol)
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I got news for you. You can't read that book and take it at face value. Try taking Proverbs at face value. Try Psalms at face value. You already read Genesis. Was there any way in the world you could take that at face value. There is some truly massive Whoa-there moments, that will make you think. Simply reading it can't be done at a mere face value. Figuring out who wrote what doesn't change that. We don't even know who wrote some of the books. They still say too much to dismiss them, and who dismisses something just because of an anonymous author anyway?
Also, as I recall everything I knew wasn't eradicated. It simply fit the pieces into a view that never quite capture the big question: "Why are we here?"
Also, as I recall everything I knew wasn't eradicated. It simply fit the pieces into a view that never quite capture the big question: "Why are we here?"