The Seed is the Word...
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Why do we keep feeding Mike and others? Their sole purpose here on CC is to convince us that we are not saved because we fail to observe the Sabbath on Saturday. The proper answer to every thread that they start should be.
Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. ESV
With this response. Leave the thread as I am doing now.
Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. ESV
With this response. Leave the thread as I am doing now.
You're quite wrong, because, Romans 14:1-5.
It's not the ceremonial honoring of a day above other that is at issue, but the judging of others who do or do not.
& Billyd is actually wrong too -- your whole purpose doesn't seem to be Sabbatarian; that's just part of it.
From what i have gleaned, your whole purpose is pretty much exactly what the bulk of the epistle to the Galatians is written to address. Sabbatarianism is only part of that.
It's not the ceremonial honoring of a day above other that is at issue, but the judging of others who do or do not.
& Billyd is actually wrong too -- your whole purpose doesn't seem to be Sabbatarian; that's just part of it.
From what i have gleaned, your whole purpose is pretty much exactly what the bulk of the epistle to the Galatians is written to address. Sabbatarianism is only part of that.
Not true. If you will note each living thing was created (and its complimentary mate as well)after its kind bearing fruit with seed in it according to its kind
the he only living thing crated that did not bear fruit with seed in it after its likeness was man
if it had been, Eve would have been exactly like Adam and so would their children
yes
and put that with Romans 14:1-5 -- let the mature not judge the one whose faith is weak, and let the one who does not fully comprehend his liberty in Christ not judge the one who does.
whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord, and whoever regards all days as one does so to the Lord. if we "bite and devour" each other it is not to the Lord, but to our own vanity. we know the truth, but as it does not pertain to the sound doctrine of the gospel, we should not destroy the faith of whoever is weak for the sake of it, but let the Spirit reveal this to them in His own patient time.
however presenting as doctrine that the law must be added to the grace of our Lord spits on the gospel of His finished work. this is why to the believers in Galatia, who were being taught and teaching that they must be circumcised and must keep all the Torah, Paul speaks of these things as though they were condemning themselves and following another gospel which isn't a gospel at all. but to those in Corinth, and in Rome, to whom it was only a matter of conscience, and questions of reasoning, he says treat one another with charity, and try not to offend whoever is weak by exercising your liberty that you have because you know the truth.
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but we've got to ask ourselves, why is the conversation in every thread mike starts turning into "you must keep Torah, because, Torah" with the subtext that "you are dishonoring Christ and not truly a believer if you do not also keep Torah ((at least the parts that i pick and choose))" ?
it doesn't seem like it's "a matter of reasoning" here, but teaching that physical circumcision must be added to faith.
and put that with Romans 14:1-5 -- let the mature not judge the one whose faith is weak, and let the one who does not fully comprehend his liberty in Christ not judge the one who does.
whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord, and whoever regards all days as one does so to the Lord. if we "bite and devour" each other it is not to the Lord, but to our own vanity. we know the truth, but as it does not pertain to the sound doctrine of the gospel, we should not destroy the faith of whoever is weak for the sake of it, but let the Spirit reveal this to them in His own patient time.
however presenting as doctrine that the law must be added to the grace of our Lord spits on the gospel of His finished work. this is why to the believers in Galatia, who were being taught and teaching that they must be circumcised and must keep all the Torah, Paul speaks of these things as though they were condemning themselves and following another gospel which isn't a gospel at all. but to those in Corinth, and in Rome, to whom it was only a matter of conscience, and questions of reasoning, he says treat one another with charity, and try not to offend whoever is weak by exercising your liberty that you have because you know the truth.
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but we've got to ask ourselves, why is the conversation in every thread mike starts turning into "you must keep Torah, because, Torah" with the subtext that "you are dishonoring Christ and not truly a believer if you do not also keep Torah ((at least the parts that i pick and choose))" ?
it doesn't seem like it's "a matter of reasoning" here, but teaching that physical circumcision must be added to faith.
these things were a shadow of the things to come, but Christ is the substance.
see how simple that is?
these things were given to the Jews as a sign to them that God is who sanctifies not their works or working.
Christ has come and has sanctified us forever with one perfect sacrifice.
see how simple that is?
"sabbath" means "rest" and whoever has ceased from his own works has entered rest.
see how simple that is?
we are saved by the grace and mercy of God by faith, not by works. by the work of Christ, not by our own will, desire or effort.
see how simple that is?
therefore in Christ we find rest perpetually, the true Sabbath of God, Eternal Day, because we have ceased from our own laboring and been justified by His own labor for us, in our place.
see how simple that is?
the night is almost over and the Day approaches -- that Day, Eternal Day, is Christ -- who came, who died, who was raised, and who comes again.
see how simple that is?
oh Eternal Day, who has given us rest, we praise you
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Would you consider that a command?
Hebrews 4:10 [/FONT][FONT="]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
How can you come to Christ, say He is your Saviour and then try to say that you must work at commandments?
Is it because you haven't gone to Christ or do you just not understand?
Galatians 3:2-3
[/FONT][FONT="]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:24-25
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[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This doesn't seem complicated.[/FONT]
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Would you consider that a command?
Hebrews 4:10 [/FONT][FONT="]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
How can you come to Christ, say He is your Saviour and then try to say that you must work at commandments?
Is it because you haven't gone to Christ or do you just not understand?
Galatians 3:2-3
[/FONT][FONT="]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:24-25
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[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This doesn't seem complicated.[/FONT]
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I don't THINK you have taken anything I have posted from the WORD of GOD seriously,I have answered that question.
ALL the law and the prophets are summed up In one word,love and a person can't love unless GOD first loves them(talking about a just mans spirit made perfect)then after that,we don't Ignore the ten,we establish them because of the love that we have now that we are members of the body of CHRIST and In CHRIST there Is no darkness.
ALL the law and the prophets are summed up In one word,love and a person can't love unless GOD first loves them(talking about a just mans spirit made perfect)then after that,we don't Ignore the ten,we establish them because of the love that we have now that we are members of the body of CHRIST and In CHRIST there Is no darkness.