The Seed is the Word...

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posthuman

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in re: the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ:


but overall meaningless to you, i guess. apart from not having to offer up animals to be sacrificed at the temple to ask for mercy for your sin, meaningless?

here's the thing:
what is the meaning of Christ, come in the flesh, crucified and risen?

why is that significant? what exactly did that do? why should we care?

if all that means is that it opened the way for gentiles to become proselytes of Judaism, then He died for nothing. it is more or less meaningless if to be justified by God we all still need to keep all of the Law ((minus the sacrifices)).

if the only thing His death is good for is for those who are circumcised and keep all the signs of the ethnic, orthodox Jew, that Jesus' death serves as a stand-in for the blood of bulls and goats and doves, making the temple ceremony *mostly* obsolete, than Jesus' death is also largely meaningless. He's of no more use than a couple herds of cattle; what He did was not really much more significant than a bit of cruelty to animals legislation.

if all that is called for by the gospel is behavior modification -- if all that we do is polish the outside of the cup -- why did Christ die? what does ti matter that He was raised?

so what did Christ accomplish? why does the epistle to the Hebrews say that the priesthood has changed, and with it the law? why does the epistle to the Romans say we have died to the law, and are freed from it? why was Peter shown a vision form God instructing him to eat meats that were formerly declared unclean? why did the Lord tell him not to call 'unclean' what He has called clean? why have Christian believers ever since the 1st century -- long before Rome even had a bishop -- regularly met on the 1st day of the week, and why is there virtually no mention in any of their writings about maintaining sabbath laws, dietary laws, Jewish festivals or any regulations whatsoever about ritual uncleanness?

what exactly does Christ being crucified and being raised subsequently from the dead mean and what does that do for us?
has something actually changed, or are we all supposed to become partakers of the Sinai covenant?


because if a person doesn't believe that Christ has actually accomplished something and that His advent has literally changed the way that man may have peace with God, then yes -- it sure appears that He is functionally meaningless to you.
 
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hugs and more hugs, brother Post...

we both feel and know your Love is real'...other's opinions, according to where or when or why or if
they are even in the body as of yet, is not or ever will never be a deterent to us, because that's just not
our business of where they are in their journey, our business is being about what our Father has taught
us so that we may help others with what He has given us to share with all humility and prayerfully, His grace...

how could we be offended by where anyone is in their journey??? and if they are not where they should be,
we love them all the more - we have been taught not to fret or worry,
even through our heartache and grief...

the ignore list is on our ignore list:rolleyes:
 
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posthuman

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@oldthennew,
here's where i'm coming from.

I do not set aside the grace of God,
for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

(Galatians 2:21)​

if a person believes that keeping the law is the way to be righteous, than they are effectively saying that Christ died for nothing. that His crucifixion and resurrection are meaningless. the scripture seems to me to teach that if works of the law must be added to grace, it is no more grace, and that Christ is meaningless.

post is not perfect and has little tact and little gentleness. i need to love others better than i do. :(
you're right to rebuke me in your gentle way -- i'm not quite kosher.
but i wanted you to know that i don't say these things from spitefulness :)


 
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@oldthennew,
here's where i'm coming from.

I do not set aside the grace of God,
for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

(Galatians 2:21)​

if a person believes that keeping the law is the way to be righteous, than they are effectively saying that Christ died for nothing. that His crucifixion and resurrection are meaningless. the scripture seems to me to teach that if works of the law must be added to grace, it is no more grace, and that Christ is meaningless.

post is not perfect and has little tact and little gentleness. i need to love others better than i do.
you're right to rebuke me in your gentle way -- i'm not quite kosher.
but i wanted you to know that i don't say these things from spitefulness :)


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(spitefulness)? you have got to be kidding! just kidding, don't you think we know you
better that that???

always keep in mind the 'child' in the person you are talking to, remember
their/our innocence?...and what we don't know what this wicked world has done to them/us!!!
 

Grandpa

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There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
A sabbath rest?

That doesn't make any sense. Sabbath and rest mean the same thing.

A rest rest.

or

A sabbath sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9 [FONT=&quot]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

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Isn't it awesome and a little scary how true Gods Word is?

Matthew 9:29 [FONT=&quot]Then touched he their eyes, saying, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]According to your faith be it unto you[/FONT][FONT=&quot].

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For some, those words are a curse.

To others they are a blessing.

Romans 9:33 [FONT=&quot]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

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Do you understand that this verse is about the Lord Jesus Christ???
 
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grandpa, good morning.
this thread has gotten off track. So I will refrain from replying on that topic here.

there are other threads about the Sabbath.
hope you have a good day.
 

posthuman

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grandpa, good morning.
this thread has gotten off track. So I will refrain from replying on that topic here.

there are other threads about the Sabbath.
hope you have a good day.
lol! This post is off-topic.
 

posthuman

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no theology needed.
God says, "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy" (by the way, this IS the Messiah saying this commandment).

God never said, "Oh disregard that thing about the Sabbath".

easy to understand.

God punished Israel many times for profaning the Sabbath.
Post number 23 in page 2, made by the thread originator.

You brought the Sabbath up, but when it comes down to seeing what the scripture actually declares about what it means in the new covenant of Jesus Christ you say it's gone off topic?

Bizarre.
 
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Hopefully, this thread could get back on track.
I will repost the opening.
 
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The Seed is the Word of God. (Luke 8.11)

The Seed is in the Fruit. (Gen 1.11)

When God says, "don't eat from that tree" = This is His seed (Word).

When you decide that God's rules don't apply to you,
you eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil.
(The Seed is in the Fruit)

So, when you ignore God's commandments (Seed), whose word (seed) are you eating?

The owner of that tree says, "hissss, you sssshall not ssssurely die".
 

posthuman

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The seed is the word and the Word is the Lord.

The topic is Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected.

And it so happens that He is our righteousness and our rest, the complete fulfillment of all of the Law and the substance of every one if its shadows.

We have not gone off topic at all.

Are you afraid?
 

posthuman

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The one who sowed the good seed us the Son of Man ((Matthew 13:37)) - not any human, not even Moses.

Isn't that interesting?

The good seed represents the people of the kingdom.

So no one enters the kingdom by Moses, but only through Christ - no one enters on their own, but we are sown by the Lord Himself, to Whom belongs all honor and glory: there is no boasting, and nothing to be boasted of but that He has known us.

Yes, very interesting.

A seed can only grow into the tree that is its kind - as John says, no one born of God can continue in sin, because Gods seed remains in Him.

Righteousness can be "faked" - anyone can play at keeping the righteousness of the Law, but they will inevitably grow into the tree of the seed by which they sprung up.

Yes, interesting.
 
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I'm not sure what the point of this thread is about.
Disciplemike Is saying that the same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the new testament and since GOD's WORD does not change,we should keep the ten commandments.
 
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Disciplemike Is saying that the same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the new testament and since GOD's WORD does not change,we should keep the ten commandments.
BTW,I didn't mean to give the Impression that I agree with that statement In post#114,I just wanted to answer tourist's question.:)
 

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grandpa, good morning.
this thread has gotten off track. So I will refrain from replying on that topic here.

there are other threads about the Sabbath.
hope you have a good day.
Yeah.

I thought it was a little weird how you sidetracked what I was saying.

It was completely pertinent to the thread if you want to go back and look at it.
 
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Jesus is the Sower. The seed is the Scriptures.

The Word of God means two different things. The Word of God does mean Jesus and the Word of God also means the Scriptures.

What we must remember is Jesus is doing the sowing. Verse 12 says those who have heard. Its the Scriptures we have heard which speak of Jesus.

Therefore its the Scriptures, the Word of God, that Jesus is referring to in Luke 8:11 disciplemike.
 
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not saying you are wrong,
but if He was referring to Himself when He told the parable,
wouldn't it make more sense if He said, "I am the seed"?