Ok. Try this. You will not get more literal than this. Ἀναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου - "Having risen moreover, and, however, on the other hand, indeed, (take your pick of words here. They are all equally legitimate for the word δὲ) early [the] first [day] of the week." You are arguing about something here you do not understand.
The Sign Of Jonah
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When you say hands of man, as will of man.. or the hand of God as his will? Things of men seen, or things of God not seen?
I see it more as a work of suffering for another, strengthened by another.
I would suggest Jesus put His trust in the hands of the father. Attributing anything as far as salvation to the hands of men as things seen, would be walking by sight. Satan and a Satan inspired mob have no hand in salvation to include the suffering of Christ, of His own choice gave up His Spirit life returning to the father.
I would suggest the phrase "heart of the earth" speaks of affliction of Christ .
This is when when the father bruised him for the iniquity of all and Christ by reason of affliction, called out to the father, the father in mutual submission, comforted him, showing he was heard.(the hearing of faith). Noah is shown in the same way.establishing a hearing of faith as Christ give us the ears to belive he is speaking
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
I see it more as a work of suffering for another, strengthened by another.
I would suggest Jesus put His trust in the hands of the father. Attributing anything as far as salvation to the hands of men as things seen, would be walking by sight. Satan and a Satan inspired mob have no hand in salvation to include the suffering of Christ, of His own choice gave up His Spirit life returning to the father.
I would suggest the phrase "heart of the earth" speaks of affliction of Christ .
This is when when the father bruised him for the iniquity of all and Christ by reason of affliction, called out to the father, the father in mutual submission, comforted him, showing he was heard.(the hearing of faith). Noah is shown in the same way.establishing a hearing of faith as Christ give us the ears to belive he is speaking
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
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Friend, Scripture says he had rise on the first day of the week, which for in those times that was a Sunday, and Saturday was the seventh day the sabbath in those days??
In my opinion this is why people go to church on Sunday today to have praise for the resurrection, thus he is the sabbath the path to salvation.. Jews today honor the sabbath on Saturday like they did back when they didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God
In my opinion this is why people go to church on Sunday today to have praise for the resurrection, thus he is the sabbath the path to salvation.. Jews today honor the sabbath on Saturday like they did back when they didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God
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Matt 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
Luke 24:1
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.
John 20:1
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
And the first night of the week started at 6pm Saturday..
This is what I think people get hung on.. When scripture says that it will be for three days and three nights,, what that is really saying is this.. A Jewish day starts at sundown.. So He will be resurrected in three nights and three days. From the time he dies until the return on the first day of the week. A translation issue in that even when talking about the resurrection. the author didn't write it like it really is on how the Jewish people view days.
English speaking people say days and nights,,, not many say nights and days in that order..
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
Luke 24:1
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.
John 20:1
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
And the first night of the week started at 6pm Saturday..
This is what I think people get hung on.. When scripture says that it will be for three days and three nights,, what that is really saying is this.. A Jewish day starts at sundown.. So He will be resurrected in three nights and three days. From the time he dies until the return on the first day of the week. A translation issue in that even when talking about the resurrection. the author didn't write it like it really is on how the Jewish people view days.
English speaking people say days and nights,,, not many say nights and days in that order..
I can say without doubt....I have seen some "stretches" before, but some of the posts on this thread take the proverbial cake for stretching a verse or two so far out of context to dogmatically stand on a private, personal view that does not get anywhere near close to the words that ARE INSPIRED to tell us exactly what took place........
I can tell you that God inspired the verbiage and can rule out 1 massive stretch.....
a. Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish <---NEVER WAS IN THE HANDS OF MEN during that time
b. Jesus spent three days and three night in the heart of the earth AFTER he DIED<---NEVER WAS IN THE HANDS OF MEN DURING THAT TIME
The following verse in no way, shape or form indicates that the three days and nights in the heart of the earth must include the first two bolded statements......
'The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.'
I can have a three week trip planned to Australia and say before I leave....
I am going to the bank, going to take out 5000 dollars and come back on Sunday the 27th. The first two statements had NOTHING to do with the actual THREE WEEKS that I will spend in Australia......
JESUS was clear....three days, three night IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH......end of story......! <--NOTHING about in the HANDS OF MEN.......
This type of theology is exactly why there is 11099645339 flavors of a verse we are to simply take on faith based upon the inspiration of the words used!
a. Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish <---NEVER WAS IN THE HANDS OF MEN during that time
b. Jesus spent three days and three night in the heart of the earth AFTER he DIED<---NEVER WAS IN THE HANDS OF MEN DURING THAT TIME
The following verse in no way, shape or form indicates that the three days and nights in the heart of the earth must include the first two bolded statements......
'The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.'
I can have a three week trip planned to Australia and say before I leave....
I am going to the bank, going to take out 5000 dollars and come back on Sunday the 27th. The first two statements had NOTHING to do with the actual THREE WEEKS that I will spend in Australia......
JESUS was clear....three days, three night IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH......end of story......! <--NOTHING about in the HANDS OF MEN.......
This type of theology is exactly why there is 11099645339 flavors of a verse we are to simply take on faith based upon the inspiration of the words used!
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Three days and three nights is exactly what I am saying....was it exactly 72 hours-->NO ONE CAN SAY 100%
An evening and a morning = a day.....
In Acts the disciples were accused of being drunk at the third hour of the day (9 am)
Jesus rose before the women showed up EARLY about the dawning of the day
All I know is he was in the center of the earth 3 days and 3 nights....
An evening and a morning = a day.....
In Acts the disciples were accused of being drunk at the third hour of the day (9 am)
Jesus rose before the women showed up EARLY about the dawning of the day
All I know is he was in the center of the earth 3 days and 3 nights....
I have stated my view at least twice....
Jesus died, spent three days and nights in the heart of the earth and rose again....
On the day of his death he went to the center of the earth (Abraham's bosom) three days and nights later he rose on the 1st day of the week before the women came early to the tomb......the 1st day of the week is SUNDAY (by our calendar)
The rest is surmising, guesses, stretches...........
While I have some understanding of the Greek and have had some formal training in the language, I am certainly no authority on the language. I presented this to Angela whom I regard as our resident authority of ancient Greek (although we do not always agree) and we have both come to the same conclusion regarding the grammar of this very simple clause. What you are attempting to do is split a clause immediately after the word δὲ which is translated as 'Now' in many English translations of verse 9. This is completely unheard of. No Greek clause is ever split after δὲ to begin a separate clause. Angela makes the observation that, "The propositive δέ, while appearing second, is pretty much always translated as the FIRST word in the sentence. Further, δέ is a word that can be left out completely, and it seems many translations, ... translate it as "now." Always at the front of the clause."
Angela also notes (and this is something I had not thought of) that, "The word Αναστάς, "having risen," is an Aorist Participle. That means it is an undefined action, and does not actually describe an event, like the imperfect would. Being Aorist, typically, the word "after" or "when" would be used.
"Sometimes there is a genitive absolute which sets aside a few words from the rest of the clause, but a propositive like δέ simply never spits the clause. It always appears at the front of the sentence when translating, including when the word occasionally shows up as the third or fourth word of a sentence."
Simply put, what you are trying to do with this verse is grammatically impossible.
Angela also notes (and this is something I had not thought of) that, "The word Αναστάς, "having risen," is an Aorist Participle. That means it is an undefined action, and does not actually describe an event, like the imperfect would. Being Aorist, typically, the word "after" or "when" would be used.
"Sometimes there is a genitive absolute which sets aside a few words from the rest of the clause, but a propositive like δέ simply never spits the clause. It always appears at the front of the sentence when translating, including when the word occasionally shows up as the third or fourth word of a sentence."
Simply put, what you are trying to do with this verse is grammatically impossible.
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JIVE is a good word.....and to me the answer is simple....we ALL know the first day of the week is the day AFTER the Sabbath which is (SUNDAY) Jesus rose the 1st day of the week (SUNDAY) before the women showed up early at the tomb....the bible makes a comparison to JONAH being in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights....JESUS was in the heart of the earth (center) from the moment of death until the time he rose...IT IS described as three DAYS and three NIGHTS.....we do not have to surmise, twist and or embellish so as to prove a point or hold to a position that is not supported by the text.....
Sunday the new era of Sabbaths.
The phrase "heart of the earth" is in respect to the suffering of one living. God cannot die.
Heart of the earth does not refer to the tomb or the grace. There no man can do work, a place where only the worms can live. Jonas is shown alive suffering.
Heart of the earth speaks of living suffering. In respect to two working together in perfect submission to one another ( the father and I are one). Jonas representing, Jesus as the son of man the Lord used to represent our Father the two working together to bring the peace of God. .
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried “by reason of mine affliction” unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou headrest my voice. Job2
A companion verse saying the same thing . Like Jonas the son of man cried out to the Father ,Lord because of the suffering. Witnessed that he was heard by strengthened by another..
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luk 22:44
Not literal blood, but suffering as onto death. Not dying God, cannot die.
For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; “the earth “ with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jon 2:1
The (heart of the earth) as a place of suffering it described with “her bars” . Bar is of the earth as a prison, Christ was held as a fugitive.
Strings lexicon 01280 b@riyach {ber-ee'-akh} from 01272; TWOT - 284b; n m AV - bar 40, fugitive 1; 41
1) bar 1a) of wood 1b) of city gates 2) of tribulation, a fortress, of the earth as a prison.
The phrase "heart of the earth" is in respect to the suffering of one living. God cannot die.
Heart of the earth does not refer to the tomb or the grace. There no man can do work, a place where only the worms can live. Jonas is shown alive suffering.
Heart of the earth speaks of living suffering. In respect to two working together in perfect submission to one another ( the father and I are one). Jonas representing, Jesus as the son of man the Lord used to represent our Father the two working together to bring the peace of God. .
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried “by reason of mine affliction” unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou headrest my voice. Job2
A companion verse saying the same thing . Like Jonas the son of man cried out to the Father ,Lord because of the suffering. Witnessed that he was heard by strengthened by another..
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luk 22:44
Not literal blood, but suffering as onto death. Not dying God, cannot die.
For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; “the earth “ with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jon 2:1
The (heart of the earth) as a place of suffering it described with “her bars” . Bar is of the earth as a prison, Christ was held as a fugitive.
Strings lexicon 01280 b@riyach {ber-ee'-akh} from 01272; TWOT - 284b; n m AV - bar 40, fugitive 1; 41
1) bar 1a) of wood 1b) of city gates 2) of tribulation, a fortress, of the earth as a prison.
If Jesus rose after sunset on the sabbath then he must have been buried after sunset on wednesday to fulfill the 3 nights and 3 days. Are you saying His prediction was false - He lied ? because we are told it all happened according to scripture.
Jesus was not in the heart of the earth (buried) from the moment He died. WHY can't we know how long that was when He Himself told us in scripture ? People would rather believe what other people have to say.
Jesus was not in the heart of the earth (buried) from the moment He died. WHY can't we know how long that was when He Himself told us in scripture ? People would rather believe what other people have to say.