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We still needed a sacrifice, Jesus became that sacrifice (same law applied) Clearly Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. It's an odd statement you just made "we are not commanded to build an ark" yeah no kidding, there is no global flood God is trying to spare every living creature from. "or to populate the globe" prove that with scripture. Last I checked the last order given to human kind regarding that was "go forth and multiply" Have you read anything to the contrary? but that's beside the point, clearly we are at a different stage in the grand scheme of things at this point "woe unto the women who give suck in those days" I only wanted to point out that you are making silly arguments and you veer away from scripture at the same time you require scripture from others. The old testament is still very much alive when it comes to teaching us things "current" things. There are prophecies in there about the end times. Figure that out. There are lessons and messages to be found throughout the entire bible. You say that we "pick and choose" our scripture but I believe (as someone else already pointed out) that you are as guilty of that as anyone.
and I'm not trying to come across as snippy. I'm tired and about to take a long drive, so forgive me if my text reads wrong.
and I'm not trying to come across as snippy. I'm tired and about to take a long drive, so forgive me if my text reads wrong.
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#1. No violent action was needed to be taken in this scenario so as to escape harm.
#2. Putting yourself in harms way is way different than not seeking harm and having it come upon you by surprise or as a part of a challenge given to you by God. For are you going to carry a boat around with you everywhere you go just on the potential that it might flood in your city? If you do, then I would question your faith in God being able to protect you or not.
#2. Putting yourself in harms way is way different than not seeking harm and having it come upon you by surprise or as a part of a challenge given to you by God. For are you going to carry a boat around with you everywhere you go just on the potential that it might flood in your city? If you do, then I would question your faith in God being able to protect you or not.
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To add on to what Jason said, this is the logic that is used when your culture conflicts with Scripture. People start digging up cases from the Old Testament to justify why they aren't following the words or lifestyle of Christ and the apostles.
"Well Solomon was rich so I'm getting that Benz."
"Well King David had many wives and he was a man after God's own heart!"
I think at some point we have to ask ourselves if we are really trying to follow Christ with all our heart or if we are just trying to do what the people around us who call themselves Christians are doing.
There is a difference between abolishing something and fulfilling something. Jesus did not come to destroy all forms of Law or order. No, no. Paul said that what he writes to you are the Lord's commands (1 Corinthians 14:37). So there are still commands for us to obey. Christians are not anarchists. That is what is meant by the phrase he did not come to destroy Law. The Law was fulfilled. Meaning it was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. This is speaking of the Law of Moses. For Jesus obeyed the Law of Moses and nailed it to the cross and Christ instituted the Law of Christ under the New Testament (With His death) and ended the Old Covenant. For it is why we are no longer required to join the Jewish nation and be circumcised anymore (See Galatians 3). It is why the Temple veil was torn. It is why you are not to put new wine (New Testament teachings) into old wine skins (Old Testament teachings), etc.
In other words, to abolish the Law would be to take a hammer and to smash an apple seed. But to fulfill the Law would be to plant that apple seed in the ground so that it can grow into an apple tree.
In other words, to abolish the Law would be to take a hammer and to smash an apple seed. But to fulfill the Law would be to plant that apple seed in the ground so that it can grow into an apple tree.
Matthew 5
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Where do you get "law and order, and Jesus talking about anarchy?"
You think that protecting a child from being raped and murdered sounds like the Quran? I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Don't tell me you have love in your heart if you wouldn't do anything necessary to protect a child. That you think God would tell you NOT to?! that is despicable of each of you.
P.S. Where was Peter when Nero was butchering women and children? If he was even there I suspect that when he saw the army and he knew there was only one thing he could do. Giving them hope and reassurance through Jesus Christ. However more questions get raised. Why wasn't he slaughtered? was he not even there? was he in jail? Besides there aren't a lot of options against an army slaughtering a multitude. However, you think that Jesus would ask you not to save a child from being tortured by 1 or 2 deranged men?
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No the part about chopping the guy in half sounds like the Quran. If you try to separate the action from the intent, then you can do a lot of bad things. To stop Israel's bad treatment of those who live in the Gaza Strip, or to "protect" the Gaza Strip, terrorists blow up Jewish civillians.
Where do we draw the line DeadtoSin? God has already spoken in His word about where to draw the line. The question is will we listen to it?
God bless bro.
Where do we draw the line DeadtoSin? God has already spoken in His word about where to draw the line. The question is will we listen to it?
God bless bro.
We aren't to hold malice in our hearts. We should pray for our enemies and not hold material possessions or pride above our fellow man, nowhere does that equate to letting someone dismember the innocent. Don't get me wrong in the face of certain death or dying for a testimony for Christ that's one thing. But if you see a guy in a mask attempting to go into the local yogurt shop with a gun and you have the opportunity to stop the situation, I don't care what it is you do it. God put you there for a reason, what do you think that reason would be? to prove your obedience by standing idly by?
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Ask Him some time, brother
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person."
Jesus said a lot of radical stuff. Almost as if He was re-writing stuff. "You have heard it said...But I say to you..." How could He do such a thing? Well He is God.
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person."
Jesus said a lot of radical stuff. Almost as if He was re-writing stuff. "You have heard it said...But I say to you..." How could He do such a thing? Well He is God.
Here we have a thread that countless nameless visitors scan, some teenagers- seeking to please God. And here we have a bunch of christians teaching that it's not okay to defend yourself. You think God wants His children to walk home in the dark terrified because they think it's a sin to defend themselves from an assailant? It's horrible. What's the big deal if a would-be rapist got punched in the nose? you think it's that big of a deal? I don't.
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I was bringing up the discussion question that you seemed to pose which was: Can God change what He was doing before? Allow me to quote you. "Did God suddenly change?"
I'm sure many were thinking this when Jesus was like "No divorce any more" and all them things He said that used to be permitted or commanded. It would seem some things have changed, my friend.
I'm sure many were thinking this when Jesus was like "No divorce any more" and all them things He said that used to be permitted or commanded. It would seem some things have changed, my friend.